[fidgeraldo]

I should clarify that I found this on reddit and it's not me!

No need...100% clear it was copy-pasted

 

[Click]

I'm not sure if you guys have been talking about the prototype by Elysian but I tried out a prototype model at CanJam and wasn't impressed with it at all. My Penon IEMs easily beat it out in all aspects. Kindly gave it back to the guy and tried out the Annihilator, which I was very impressed with, but it's also $3K.

 

[FreeWheelinAudioLuv2]

4 or 5 years ago, I was buying the best cheap ChiFi IEMs that sounded decent, but I got bored and became a charter member on the Watercolooler thread.
I then slowly accumulated some very nice, but expensive IEMs. About 4 months ago I decided to try a good inexpensive IEM to hear how much the cheaper ones had progressed. I bought a EA500 and was blown away!! I have since acquired several of the better ones and am quite happy. Since I am an old dude, crappy treble does not bother me . Every thing above 5Khz is just not there.
At the moment, I have a SR 5 breaking in and a Hype 4 and a HBB Hades waiting in the wings for their breakin.

If you have no issues with the gigantic shells of the SR5, you got a fantastic set there.

 

[Click]

OK just searched this thread a bit and yeah, that Elysian prototype (guy didn't say it was called Pilgrim nor did he tell me the price), is pretty underwhelming.

If you guys are super hyped about it, sorry to burst your bubble. They could still change the tuning and other stuff about it but when I heard it at CanJam, I didn't even want to listen to 2 songs with it and quickly gave it back. The Annihilator however, what an amazing IEM. But again, it's $3K.

 

[o0genesis0o]

I think technicalities are kind of BS in a sense. Andrew Park came up with the statement that everything is a frequency response. I kind of agree but don't. Most of it is, but even the 50k 5128 doesn't really give a perfect understanding of an earphone's graph. So the issue is this, you need people to hear* it not just give graphs. There is stuff we can't measure at the moment, also user experience is 100% invaluable due to fit* and comfort of the iem.

I do believe most of “technical performance” is in the frequency response, but we haven’t formed a good theory to explain. It’s likely not a particular point on the graph (more of this = more resolving) but either a balance between a few points, or the existence (or the lack) of a combination of dip and peak.

Still, it wouldn’t explain the “dynamic” behaviour of IEM when not one sine wave but multiple frequencies play together at different loudness (think of harmonic distortion. If playing with harmonic controller in Darwin DAC of Hiby can produce such effect, and IEMs are more distorted than DAC, would that make a big difference that a static graph can’t show?)

@Click you could have mentioned earlier. In my circle, we are discussing about group buying the pilgrim

 

[Click]

@Click you could have mentioned earlier. In my circle, we are discussing about group buying the pilgrim

I suggest not rushing into it, wait for a lot of reviews first, and maybe even trying it out first before you buy.

I didn't like it at all when I tried it out. Just my personal opinion, but it really did seem like a prototype, unfinished model. Very rough listen tbh.

 

[fidgeraldo]

I got these today, listening to music with them right now on IER Z1R, and I can say they are amazing!
Probably the best seal of any that I tried.
Not that I am not satisfied with Dunu S&S, too, and Final or others...
but these could be my favourites from now on.
Also very comfortable...I will order more, perhaps black too.

Photo borrowed from Redcarmoose

Cheers!

 

[gooberbm]

as far as I know (in my experience and all that disclaimers), Lee has not disappointed

There’s a growing collection of channel matching/QC issues with Elysian. I wouldn’t buy one without the assurance of being able to independently graph it

 

[wiesolos]

Tansio Mirai TSMR-FEAT

TSMR-FEAT is the newest IEM from Tansio MIrai that brings something new and unexpected from the group. What you guys have to understand is that these guys are not really known for their bass driven sound. Nope if there is one trait for the group that stands out. That would be how they tune for trebles more so than the low end. Tansio Mirais sound tuning has traditionally been about the trebles and all the sound aspects that audiophiles enjoy with a full bored treble end. However they have always had good to excellent bass for their IEMs as well.

The TSMR-FEAT uses dual knowles BAs for its mids and trebles and dual coaxial dynamics for its bass performance. The first thing I noticed beyond just how good looking these IEMs are is that they no longer use the Tansio Mirais switch system they have used on every single IEM they have made till now.

However this one signature they have used on the TSMR-FEAT happens to be a good one. In true hybrid fashion. We get the technical leaning precision and imaging associated with BA performance but then they added these outstanding coaxial dynamics to handle its bass performance.

I am gonna guess that the new FEAT will be sold at a lower price bracket than the TSMR-X. Safe to say as these are not exactly going for a better TSMR-X. What's interesting here is that I can hear the family resemblance to the TSMR-X especially on the bass boost 1 switch but there are a few aspects about the FEAT that are different.

Folks that have never heard a Tansio Mirai IEM before and you're a bass fan, these might be a good place to start. For the guys that own the TSMR-X do you need to get this one? Nope not really. Well that is unless you feel the need to get a more simpler bass driven version of the TSMR-X for out and about. And or your just a huge fan of what Tansio Mirai has been cooking up lately and have to have them all.

The TSMR-FEAT is all about giving the listener a true hybrid presentation. It's not masking the fact that it uses BAs for its clean detailed sound presentation or its push pull coaxial dynamics for its brawny bass end. This is a sound that maximizes what both types of drivers are good at. On one end you get a sound bore connected to the dual BA that throws out the mids to trebles the other sound tube is connected directly to dual 8 mm carbon dynamics that are stacked on top of each other in dual push pull configuration. It looks similar to what the TSMR-X is using for bass with a vent out the back of the shells. I can see tonal and cohesive purists not liking this one as Tansio Mirai is not hiding a damn thing when it comes to what both these types of drivers are doing for the sound here.

One firm warming, the bass end was more than brawny out of the box. It's clearly a sub bass focused sound but had a burly presentation out of the box I was not ready for. I can literally hear the bass end tighten and is starting to get better definition now that I have had 50 hours or so of burn in. The bass end on these definitely needs a good run in before they start to sound correct.

What is interesting about these is that this is Tansio Mirais idea of a fun tuning. For folks that make IEMs dedicated for audiophiles that means these are bassy but also has a clean detailed sound tuning out of the box. Its clarity is on point but is nowhere near what the prior Tansio Mirai Sands or the Lands represent. These are the least treble focused Tansio Mirais to date actually. That bit of extra treble energy Tansio is known for is now focused toward the bass end. The balancing of the treble and the mids are closer to the recent TSMR-X more than anything they have brought out in the past. Where the sound cranks up a notch or two is in the bass department.

Its bass end is burly, rumbly with a slower realistic sub bass decay. They sound like subwoofers in the ears. These are pushing at least 8 dbs if not a bit more so toward the lowest of the lows. It is interesting when I first heard the bass end I could have sworn it was closer to the 1 switch on the TSMR-X but the more I listen to these they are actually tuned a bit like the reference 2 switch than the 1. It might be due to how impactful the sub bass is but it's not shy about bringing the bass. Let me put it that way. I can hear the air pushing the subs to new depths on this one. Before you ask. I don't feel the quality of the bass on the FEAT is up there with the TSMR-X. It has a slightly darker bass tonal character in comparison. Which provides a different contrast from what the TSMR-X bass end is doing. On the opposite end they don't have the same treble emphasis or the extension of the TSMR-X either. Which again brings a bit more attention to the low notes on this one. The good news there is that its bass is cleanly separated from the mids performance, helped out by utilizing a single bass bore to the ears separated from the mids and treble BA.

Let's get this out of the way. Really the TSMR-X is at a different level vs the FEAT in SQ and its overall presentation. I am assuming the FEAT will be a cheaper hybrid and hopefully one where most folks can afford a set.

Where the sound is engaging for the TSMR-X the FEAT has this going for it as well. But I can see a bit of a different scenario for the FEAT. TSMR-X is more of a home IEM, more refined and boutique in the way it presents sound. The FEAT on the other hand makes for a perfect out and about companion. Reason why I say this. The bass end on these are wild! Its sub bass performance you have to hear to believe. It is remarkable just how much these sound like real subwoofers. Its passive isolation is above average as well which helps you hear all of its glorious rumbly bass.

The contrast of clean well imaged mids and treble with a full bored sub woofer like sound profile is what the TSMR-FEAT is about. If any of you guys owned the old GR07 back in the day. These are like a modern day version of those but actually has dimensional qualities to the sound profile and not so flat sounding like the GR07. None of the treble spikes associated with that monitor as well..This one is a much more refined experience in comparison.

Audiophile bass IEM? You bet. In a way the FEAT is focusing its sound on some of the better aspects of what the TSMR-X does but using less drivers. Sound is not as airy or as spacious as the TSMR-X, they don't have the same type of sound separation or the detail level either, you have to expect that as it is using 2 less BAs for its sound.. However it shares some similar aspects like balancing, and shares similar tonal qualities. What is surprising here is it retains much of that holographic sound presentation of the TSMR-X, which in turn allows the same ability to be able to pull off accurate acoustic and orchestral listening but is obnoxiously great for EDM, rock metal and hiphop just like the TSMR-X.

The crazy thing about the FEAT is that you can’t tell just how brawny the bass end is until a tune clearly has some subwoofer engagement. Meaning it has some very clear clean mids. Which I don’t think can work with just how much bass these things have from something like a single dynamic using a single sound channel for example. Folks that like clean sound tunings should love these things but then when the subs are engaged. Get ready to rumble!

This bass ability makes for an ideal IEM for out and about not to mention will be ideal for gaming and media watching due to its technical level and bass emphasis.

Bass here is tuned a bit differently than the bass end of the TSMR-X, while both are using carbon based dynamics and both are using that push pull configuration. These sound a bit more closed in by nature and dbs per db actually sounds more impactful, has just a bit more physical nature to its impact and rumble. Don’t know if it is the venting driver that was used on the TSMR-X but these are not quite as well controlled, I don’t feel the bass end here is sloppy on the other hand.

Bass can and does get burly, definitely has more sub bass vs mid bass If I put the bass quality at a 8 out of 10 for the TSMR-X I would put the bass end at a respectable 7 out of 10 for the FEAT. Sub bass on the FEAT is where these become straight smile inducing experience. Its addictive rumble is shocking at times and has a slow decay for its sub bass rumble like a real subwoofer. As brawny as the bass can be, it is once again the control aspect for its bass which is clearly there. The bass for the FEAT has actually grown on me and you know you're dealing with a colored sounding IEM when other IEMs I go back to sound like they have weak bass in comparison.

I think if these came out before the TSMR-X I would have been head over heels over this one but as things stand, the TSMR-X has been making waves and I have a feeling it will be Tansio Mirais most popular IEM to date for a good reason. I do believe the TSMR-FEAT is a younger brother to the TSMR-X and as such there are a lot of striking resemblances to its sound formula.

So how does the TSMR-FEAT slot in the scheme of things? Well it gives a good solid 85% sound performance of the TSMR-X and it will be interesting to find out what prices these will be sold for. If I am a guessing man, these are easily competitive in the $300 price level but could be sold for less.

Its less aggressive treble balancing actually makes for easier listening while maintaining that clean mid range, Tansio is known for. The mids are positioned very similarly as the TSMR-X and this one is not for folks that like a more forward warmer mids profile. It's more neutral in its mids presence but still has that dimensional quality to the mids that becomes addictive to listen to.
If any of you guys reading this was curious about what the fuss was about on the TSMR-X. Depending on what price these will be sold for. This is a very good option to get yourself a legit audiophile bass infused IEM.

Several negatives on this one, for folks that are curious about them but feel the TSMR-X is a bit too spendy for you. The TSMR-FEAT will make you curious about the TSMR-X. On the other hand it is most definitely competent enough of a sound on its own with its own flavor.

It has two contrasting tonal qualities, clean and dark at the same time. I feel cohesion has improved greatly since burning them in but it would be difficult to have this much dynamic bass emphasis for BAs to jive with tonally. If you have a 2.1 or 5.1 system at home you might get a good idea of how the sound projects in the ears for this one. Short nozzles, yes these have short nozzles. I had to revert to using a double flange which brings forward the mids and trebles a bit forward for better balancing. Otherwise I am waiting to find out what these will be sold for. In the end these are true audiophile bass IEMs. You want your detail and imaging a clean sound signature with a low visceral rumble? That is exactly what the TSMR-FEAT are all about.

Thanks for the usual advertisement but honestly it was TLDR. Therefore, is it better than my trustworthy $175 simgot ea1000 in a nutshell?

 

[Rolu]

My advice is to sell all these, put 5k more, and retire with a Susvara

 

[Jaytiss]

I do believe most of “technical performance” is in the frequency response, but we haven’t formed a good theory to explain. It’s likely not a particular point on the graph (more of this = more resolving) but either a balance between a few points, or the existence (or the lack) of a combination of dip and peak.

Still, it wouldn’t explain the “dynamic” behaviour of IEM when not one sine wave but multiple frequencies play together at different loudness (think of harmonic distortion. If playing with harmonic controller in Darwin DAC of Hiby can produce such effect, and IEMs are more distorted than DAC, would that make a big difference that a static graph can’t show?)

@Click you could have mentioned earlier. In my circle, we are discussing about group buying the pilgrim

Pilgrim could be a good budget midfi pick for sure, looks a lot like hype 4 or dusk 2 aka the artist formerly known as Blessing 3 : Dusk 2. I'm also buying a project M, to battle with those few. Mid Fit is definitely heating up, and it's exciting.

 

[o0genesis0o]

Mid Fit is definitely heating up

AuR, Penon/ISN, Simgot in the corner: “am I a joke to you?”

Edit: bringing the AFUL snowy night with me today due to how much I enjoy its sound and the fact that I didn't mind the dongle form factor when lounging around. Anyhow, bad idea. Putting a phone and a dongle in a pocket is still horrible, ergonomic wise. On the plus side, I hear quite good sound from iPhone XR, and both devices do not heat up, which is good.

Edit 2: the dongle sounds better from USB-C devices like my iPad and my laptop than from the lightning port of my iPhone. The Gaea sounds more constrained and small from the iPhone than from the laptop.

 

[Rolu]

There's no way Elysian would bring anything so cheap even at 80% the performance of their multi kilobuck IEMs and cannibalize sales.
I'm certain all the hype will die down eventually. Canjam is such a loud environment that even IEM demos can't be trusted.

 

[Dsnuts]

Thanks for the usual advertisement but honestly it was TLDR. Therefore, is it better than my trustworthy $175 simgot ea1000 in a nutshell?

Sure if you want more visceral rumbly bass. If you add about 3dbs of bass on top of what the EA1000 has. Its a different sound altoghether. But even if you added that much extra boost, its not exactly like the coaxial bass that is in the FEAT. Both are equally technical. I suppose if your not a fan of BA timbre than the EA1000 will be better for you but the EA1000 as good as its bass is does not sound like a 2.1 system in your ears like the FEAT can when hitting them low registers. Again different sound for different folks. I would give the leg up on the EA1000 from upper mids to treble details and its extension. The FEAT got a leg up on the lower end which is the specialty of a dual push pull dynamic stacked in coaxial configuration. Much more pysical bass and it definitely digs deeper with a slower decay.

If you can imagine the EA1000 with this coaxial bass with added bass emphasis that is basically what the FEAT would sound like. Actually might sound a bit more like the TSMR-X but you guys get the idea as both use the same type of bass system.

 

[thaslaya]

I got these today, listening to music with them right now on IER Z1R, and I can say they are amazing!
Probably the best seal of any that I tried.
Not that I am not satisfied with Dunu S&S, too, and Final or others...
but these could be my favourites from now on.
Also very comfortable...I will order more, perhaps black too.

Photo borrowed from Redcarmoose

Cheers!

Got me some a few weeks back and they quickly became my favorite tips ever!