The discovery thread!
Feb 19, 2024 at 10:57 PM Post #95,701 of 100,767
Gosh this is hard to believe at 35 bucks with a CX31993. I mean I know it’s a decent budget dac but how far can good implementation take us?!
Penon are really knocking it out of the park, every release is best ever in category at the moment
 
Feb 19, 2024 at 11:02 PM Post #95,702 of 100,767
Any updates on the Kinera Dark Phoenix? How do they compare to the og?
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Hopefully by the end of the week. This will actually be my first Kinera. I’ll post impressions when I get it!
 
Feb 20, 2024 at 12:25 AM Post #95,703 of 100,767
I don't want to spill the beans just yet, but this will come out in the review shortly, that this Dongle is higher resolution than many full fledged DAPs? And I have been judging gear like the APPLE Dongle for years as.........not so great, so I somehow find it hard to believe we are now here in 2024?
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Higher resolution than full fleged DAP's EH! Ummmmmm My BS detector pegged the scale on that one!
 
Feb 20, 2024 at 1:09 AM Post #95,704 of 100,767
Higher resolution than full fleged DAP's EH! Ummmmmm My BS detector pegged the scale on that one!
Perception of resolution depends on a few things. In your quote of my post, I said many..... the word is many. Meaning I have not heard all the DAPs, but you have misquoted me.

Haha Higher Resolution than Full Fledged DAPs, no not all of them.

So quick to stir up Schiit, here?

Why, I never said all of them? :)

Can’t we just get along and love one another, we are in the same hobby with the same goals in mind?

The response is from combinations of gear, so it is synergy. So yes, some gear works better to perform details/resolution. The point is this Dongle is really good, and especially for the price.

Just updated my glossary:

Accurate - The music is (as much as possible) unaltered by the recording or playback equipment.
Aggressive - Forward and bright sonic character.

Airy - Spacious, typically referring to upper midrange and treble.

Ambience - The overall impression, feeling, or mood evoked by an environment or acoustical space, such as the performance hall in which a recording was made.

Analytical - Detailed.....typically thought of as neutral or bright.

Articulate - The overall ability to offer fast transients and efficient imaging of instruments.

Attack - The leading edge of a note and the ability of a system to reproduce the attack transients in music.

Attack (2) - The time taken for a musical note to reach its peak amplitude eg. notes will tend to sound more defined rather than blended with other notes.

Balance - Usually the tuning of the earphone. A well-balanced headphone would not have one particularly dominant frequency, but rather all would be “balanced.”

Bass - The audio frequencies between about 60Hz and 250Hz.The lower end frequency of human hearing. Bass can be measured in quantity (heaviness) and quality (clarity). Other bass descriptors are “muddy” and “boomy.”

Basshead - Emphasized Bass.

Bloated - Excessive mid bass around 250 Hz. Poorly damped low frequencies, low frequency resonance.

Blurred - Poor transient response. Vague stereo imaging, not focused.

Body - Fullness of sound. Substantialness of response.

Boomy - Excessive bass around 125 Hz. Typically edging into midrange and affecting pace.

Boxy - Having resonances as if the music were enclosed in a box. Sometimes an emphasis around 250 to 500 Hz. Often called cardboard box sounding, like boxes used as drums.

Breakup - When different points on the surface of a diaphragm begin to move out of sync, causing distortion. Breakup often occurs in dynamic drivers at high volumes as forces on the diaphragm increase. Breakup is less likely to occur at lower volumes or in planar magnetic or electrostatic headphone drivers.

Bright/Brightness - Boost in the upper frequencies or upper-mid range. Brightness is a feature enjoyed by many but walks a thin line to becoming unpleasant depending on the individual.

Brilliance - The 6kHz to 16kHz range controls the brilliance and clarity of sounds. Too much emphasis in this range can produce sibilance on the vocals.

Clear - Transparent.

Closed - A closed-in sound lacking in openness, delicacy, air, and fine detail usually caused by Roll-off above 10kHz; in contrast to Open.

Congestion - Poor clarity caused by overlapping sounds. Congested sound signatures lack detail and clarity, making it hard to hear separate instruments and may also be called muddy or muffled.

Coloration - The effect of a device on the music signal. The opposite of “neutral.” Various aspects can affect the tone, responsiveness or the frequency response of the music/audio.

Crisp - Clear.

Dark - A tonal balance that tilts downwards with increasing frequency. Opposite of bright. Weak high frequencies.

Decay - The fadeout of a note as it follows the attack.

Definition (or resolution) - The ability of a component to reveal the subtle information that is fundamental to high fidelity sound.

Delicate - High frequencies extending to 15 or 20 kHz without peaks.

Density - I personally started to use this word to describe note weight, and note authority.

Depth - A sense of distance (near to far) of different instruments.

Detail - The most delicate elements of the original sound and those which are the first to disappear with lesser equipment.

Detailed - Easy to hear tiny details in the music; articulate. Adequate high frequency response, sharp transient response.

Dry - Lack of reverberation or delay as produced by a damped environment. May come across as fine grained and lean. Opposite of wet.

Dynamic - The suggestion of energy and wide dynamic range. Related to perceived speed as well as contrasts in volume both large and small. Still in the end this word has many interpretations.

Edgy - Too much high frequency response. Trebly. Harmonics are too strong relative to the fundamentals. Distorted, having unwanted harmonics that add an edge or raspiness.

Euphonic - An appealing form of distortion that generally enhances perceived fidelity, often ascribed to the harmonic elaborations of some valve amps.

Fast - Good reproduction of rapid transients which increase the sense of realism and "snap".

Focus - A strong, precise sense of image projection.

Forward(ness) - Similar to an aggressive sound, a sense of image being projected in front of the speakers and of music being forced upon the listener. The opposite would be “Laid-back".

Full - Strong fundamentals relative to harmonics. Good low frequency response, not necessarily extended, but with adequate level around 100 to 300 Hz. Male voices are full around 125 Hz; female voices and violins are full around 250 Hz; sax is full around 250 to 400 Hz. Opposite of thin.

Grainy - A loss of smoothness resulting is a loss of clarity and transparency.

Grunt - Actually a guitar term intended to denote an authoritative and fast low end frequency response ability in hollow body jazz guitars.

Harsh - Too much upper midrange. Peaks in the frequency response between 2 and 6 kHz.

Highs - The audio frequencies above about 6000 Hz.

High Midrange (High Mids, Upper Mids) - The audio frequencies between about 2kHz and 6kHz.

Imaging - The sense that a voice or instrument is in a particular place in the room. Directly measured with square wave graphs and indicates transient edge response quality in the time domain.

Impedance - Indicates how much power is required for the driver. The higher the impedance, the more power is required to get the maximum quality and volume of sounds out of the driver. Electrical resistance to the flow of current in an AC circuit. The higher the impedance of the headphone, for instance, the less current will flow through it.

Layering - The reproduction of depth and receding distance, which audibly places the rows of performers one behind the other.

Laid-back - Recessed, distant-sounding, having exaggerated depth, usually because of a dished midrange. Compare "Forward".

Layering - The reproduction of depth and receding distance, which audibly places the rows of performers one behind the other.

Less-Tangibles - Everything other than FR, hence reverberations, texture, instrument timbre, soundstage etc…..etc.

Liquid - Textureless sound.

Low-Level Detail - The subtlest elements of musical sound, which include the delicate details of instrumental sounds and the final tail of reverberation decay.

Low Midrange (Low Mids) - The audio frequencies between about 250Hz and 2000Hz.

Lush - Harmonically complex, typicality thought of as thick with many additives. A rich tone and usually with some warmth to the overall presentation.

Metallic - Typicality an overall sheen which can become part of an off timbre response.

Midrange (Mids) - The audio frequencies between about 250 Hz and 6000 Hz.

Musical (or musicality) - A sense of cohesion and subjective "rightness" in the sound.

Nasal - Reproduced sound having the quality of a person speaking with their nose blocked. Closed off; a measured peak in the upper midrange followed by a complimentary dip.

Naturalness - Realism.

Opaque - Unclear, lacking Transparency.

Open - Sound which has height and "air", relates to clean upper midrange and treble.

Pace - Often associated with rhythm, a strong sense of timing and beat.

Physicality - Weight and realness, typicality used (by me) to describe bass, but can carry over to all frequencies. Female and male vocals could have physicality, if they sound real.

Piercing - Strident, hard on the ears, screechy. Having sharp, narrow peaks in the response around 3 to 10 kHz.

PRaT - Pace, rhythm and timing.

Presence Range - The presence range between 4kHz and 6kHz is responsible for the clarity and definition of voices and instruments. Increasing this range can make the music seem closer to the listener. Reducing the 5kHz content makes the sound more distant and transparent.

Presence - An emphasized instrument response around 5 kHz for most instruments, or around 2 to 5 kHz for kick drum and bass.

Punchy - Good reproduction of dynamics. Good transient response, with strong impact. Sometimes a bump around 5 kHz or 200 Hz.

Range - The distance between the lowest and highest tones.

Resolution - The clarity to separate and delineate musical information.

Reverb - Short for reverberation. A diminishing series of echoes spaced sufficiently closely in time that they merge into a smooth decay.

Rich - See Full. Also, having euphonic distortion made of even order harmonics.

Roll-off (Rolloff) - The gradual attenuation that occurs at the lower or upper frequency range of a driver, network, or system. The roll-off frequency is usually defined as the frequency where response is reduced by 3 dB.

Round - High frequency rolloff or dip. Not edgy.

Rhythm - The controlled movement of sounds in time.

Shrill - Strident, Steely.

Sibilant - The high unpleasant peaks that are usually unpleasant to the ear if too prevalent.

Sizzly - See Sibilant. Also, too much highs on cymbals.

Smeared - Lacking detail; poor transient response, too much leakage between microphones; poorly focused images.

Smooth - Describing the quality of sound reproduction having no irritating qualities; free from high-frequency peaks, and relaxing to listen to. Not necessarily a positive system attribute if accompanied by a slow, uninvolving character.

Sound Signature - The unique intrinsic sound quality of a headphone, music player, DAC, or audio cable. Some audio products emphasize the higher treble ranges while others strengthen the bass. This overall sound profile of audio devices helps audiophiles fine-tune the listening experience by pairing the right headphone cable, DAC, or music player with their headphones.

Soundstage - An illusionary effect of headphones to produce a listening space front to back, up and down and right to left.

Speed - Pace and timing, can have relationship with overall “tune”.

Steely - Emphasized upper mids around 3 to 6 kHz. Peaky, non flat high frequency response. Metallic.

Strident - See Harsh, Edgy.

Sub-Bass - The audio frequencies between about 20Hz and 80Hz.

Sweet - Typically reference to smooth comfortable high pitch sounds.

Technical Ability - A blanket term for attack transients, imaging, decay, tonality, tonal balance, timbre, temperature, and texture. At times overall frequency response (if even and correct) is considered part of technical ability.

Swagger - The ability of music to somehow find its core groove. This results from capturing and replaying the subtle nuances that make timing and pace special.

Synergy - The interaction or cooperation of two or more audio components in an audio system, which, when combined produce a combined effect greater than the sum of their separate effects. Example: the synergy between a DAC and a headphone amp.

Texture - The timbre of multiple instruments playing together, though more accurately the instrument “voices” together.

Thick - Typically bass or lower midrange density.

Thin - Fundamentals are weak relative to harmonics; bass light.

Tight - Good low frequency transient response and detail.

Timbre - The tonal character of an instrument which separates it from other instruments of the same tone.

Timing - Tempo in relationships with clarity of pace.

Tinny - Thin harmonically narrow, metallic, in treble region.

Tone - The sound of definite pitch.

Transient - The leading edge of a percussive sound, though the term can be applied to any wave form.

Transparent - Easy to hear into the music, detailed, clear, not muddy. Wide flat frequency response, sharp time response, very low distortion and noise. A hear through quality that is akin to clarity and reveals all aspects of detail.

Treble - The highest part of music and voice. See Highs. (Most often used when referring to the treble control on amplifiers).

Upper Midrange (Upper Mids, High Mids) - The audio frequencies between 2 kHz and 6 kHz.

Vivid - A word often used to describe clarity and intensity.

Veiled- Lack of full clarity due to noise or loss of detail from limited transparency.

Warm - Good bass, adequate low frequencies, adequate fundamentals relative to harmonics. Not thin. Also excessive bass or mid bass. Also, pleasantly spacious, with adequate reverberation at low frequencies. Also see Rich, Round. Warm highs means sweet highs.

Weighty - Good low frequency response below about 50 Hz. A sense of substance and underpinning produced by deep, controlled bass. Suggesting an object of great weight or power, like a diesel locomotive.

Width - The apparent lateral spread of a stereo image. If appropriately recorded, a reproduced image should sound no wider or narrower than how it sounded originally.

Woolly - Loose, ill-defined bass.
 
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Feb 20, 2024 at 1:28 AM Post #95,707 of 100,767
So the OD200 has rendered by Kiwi Ears Cadenza obsolete in the musical IEM department. I spent my non-work hours today using my Cadenza, and for the most part, they were a enjoyable and quite musical affair, but the technicalities are so far off from the CCA Trio, that I was left wanting some treble extension and just some details. When I put in my OD200, I got the same wonderful musicality, slightly better stage, but the technicalities weren't missing like they are on the Cadenza, so to the wooden box graveyard the Cadenza go.
 
Feb 20, 2024 at 1:36 AM Post #95,708 of 100,767
Today is the day I'm planning to do an AB. Left them to burn in for at least 50 hours.


Really, though?
I take red's reviews with a grain of salt. Now there are recc's I've taken from him that have disappointed me, but then there are recc's that I've taken that are some of my happy moments (the biggest one being the Sony NW-WM1A + Wu Zetian recommendation). That's one of my go-to heaven's, and it's because of red, but yeah, when you like 9/10 Penon products, it can be a little shruggy, but again, the guy is knowledgeable, and he was one of the first to "sell" the Wu Zetian as top tier mid-fi planar, and he was right. He was also right about combining it with the Sony DAP. They are brilliant brothers in arms.
 
Feb 20, 2024 at 1:36 AM Post #95,709 of 100,767
I have an interesting Comparison video here. One that may seem very different ar first glance but with the MP145 × Red filter these IEMs have more in common than we think.
Please feel free to have a go at my comprehension video.
If you are impatient, OD200 is still the big guy here and MP145 still struggling with the technical bit.
 
Feb 20, 2024 at 1:41 AM Post #95,710 of 100,767
I take red's reviews with a grain of salt. Now there are recc's I've taken from him that have disappointed me, but then there are recc's that I've taken that are some of my happy moments (the biggest one being the Sony NW-WM1A + Wu Zetian recommendation). That's one of my go-to heaven's, and it's because of red, but yeah, when you like 9/10 Penon products, it can be a little shruggy, but again, the guy is knowledgeable, and he was one of the first to "sell" the Wu Zetian as top tier mid-fi planar, and he was right. He was also right about combining it with the Sony DAP. They are brilliant brothers in arms.
With the Wu and WM1A one can leave this place.
Cheers! Yes! Those go together like coffee and cream. :)
 
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Feb 20, 2024 at 1:51 AM Post #95,711 of 100,767
With the Wu and WM1A one can leave this place.
Cheers! Yes! Those go together like coffee and cream. :)
Yes they are. For certain genres in my library....coffee and cream.
 
Feb 20, 2024 at 2:40 AM Post #95,712 of 100,767
Higher resolution than full fleged DAP's EH! Ummmmmm My BS detector pegged the scale on that one!

Perception of resolution depends on a few things. In your quote of my post, I said many..... the word is many. Meaning I have not heard all the DAPs, but you have misquoted me.
I hate it when Mom and Dad fight. <3

A guide for newbies, if anyone has any tips feel free to let me know. <3
 
Feb 20, 2024 at 2:53 AM Post #95,713 of 100,767
Which one of us is the Mom? :)
I hate it when Mom and Dad fight. <3

A guide for newbies, if anyone has any tips feel free to let me know. <3
 
Feb 20, 2024 at 3:18 AM Post #95,715 of 100,767

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