[Redcarmoose]

It could be assumed that SuperTFZ is an attempt by TFZ to revive the brand. It took a logo that looks like another logo, but simplified. Then it released a copy of the most copied IEMS on the market: SuperTFZ Force1.

https://hiendportable.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/SuperTFZ-Force1.png

Then, it copied itself (or TFZ) with the Force King model.

https://hiendportable.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/SuperTFZ-Force-King-vs-TFZ-Live-1.png

All this, raising the price in an unjustified and uncompetitive way considering the competition.

TFZ always did well with DDs, with almost reference bass. The later models had more balanced curves, but it seems to have stopped being interesting, for some reason. Was that when it became SuperTFZ or has nothing to do with it? Honestly, I preferred the brand image of TFZ to SuperTFZ.
That new model would have to be pretty good to convince me with the stiff competition out there.

Wait till you hear the Crown.

But I know people including myself that throughly enjoyed the Force 1, and thought it was worth it, same as the Crown is the next step forward for the company. I mean I’m not an engineer, I am only a listener, but there is a lot of bells and whistles to the Crown design....... and you can hear them.

 

[Redcarmoose]

How are the vocals on the crown compared to the best?

Well, I need to finish burn-in, as there is an intensity to the Pinna Region, one that so far is ever so slightly aggressive. I don’t want to spoil the party just yet, as at the moment it is fine with 90% of music, but really it walks that line. The line that is a double edged sword in that vocals are totally forward and not what you would expect from a single full-range DD?!

Yep, they have great vocals, yet I’m hopping for them to smooth out just 10% or so, then I can say they are close to perfect. Where the separation and timbre is great, just as slight tad too forward, yet I need to do a whole lot of other things that will help to make them smooth, but to tell you the truth I haven’t even used the included cable or really heard them much after first OTB impressions, they may be fine now? Remember too, my ear-tips of choice are wide-bore “donut” silicones!

When you say “best” you mean what? Good vocal IEMs like the TINHIFI Big Panda, or the Penon Volt? I would say they are on course to be great at vocals, which in my book is not something I always expect from single full-range DDs, that’s what is unique. Let me know what Vocal IEM you have in mind, I may have it and I will do a back-to-back right now! I do have IEMs that are great with vocals (but it is not always what I look for in IEMs) (and I could be actually guilty of not emphasizing vocals enough in reviewing) but In many ways just the stance of the Crown tune, the way everything is positioned, is making the Crown excellent at vocals, even the placement of bass is leaving that vocal window open.

Still a $219.00 dollar IEM, while great at vocals, is not going to necessarily have vocals like a $1850.00 IEM.

 

[Redcarmoose]

I’m listening to vocal music now. and yes, the Crown is exceptional at vocals, maybe the best I have heard at this price point. Still keep in mind most, everyone would consider these bright IEMs. Though I’m hearing most of that brightness slightly higher than the Pinna Region, while yes, the Pinna Region is included there is a boost slightly past that. What that does (contrary to first impressions) is gets an amazing extended treble stage, with full spatial details? There are truly extended details positioned up there.....high pitched cymbals, the works? Why I didn’t notice this on first impressions, who knows, maybe a day a burn-in does something in that regard?



WM1A > MrWalkman’s firmware > White Whale Cable > SuperTFZ Crown > wide-bore silicone ear-tips.

Edit: I also tried the new DIVINUS tips with great results, 1st time.

 

[Zerstorer_GOhren]

That seems to be a quality of all the Simgots? The soft impact. The bass and midbass is soft. Especially with the EW200, but I still can't take them out of my ears!

EA500's bass (black nozzle) seems more solid.

 

[DagsJT]

Is the Hype 2 a good upgrade on the Kiwi Ears Melody?

Main genres would be EDM, hip-hop, R&B and rock. I do like bass and a sensitive to treble peaks but I would like a feeling of air for the rock and singer-songwriter tracks that I listen to.

Budget is up to £400. Running from an iPhone dongle.

 

[Redcarmoose]

Is the Hype 2 a good upgrade on the Kiwi Ears Melody?

Main genres would be EDM, hip-hop, R&B and rock. I do like bass and a sensitive to treble peaks but I would like a feeling of air for the rock and singer-songwriter tracks that I listen to.

Budget is up to £400. Running from an iPhone dongle.

They are so different, you know......

Upgrade.......
It kinda is, but you have to realize that one (the Melody) is a Planar and has those attributes which make it unique. Where the Hype2 is dual DDs and responds accordingly. But the Hype2 is a great next step! Cheers!

And full and big from an Apple Dongle!

And......fits your music genres to a T.

Don’t worry about the top-end, it is smooth and careful.

 

[cqtek]

Wait till you hear the Crown.

But I know people including myself that throughly enjoyed the Force 1, and thought it was worth it, same as the Crown is the next step forward for the company. I mean I’m not an engineer, I am only a listener, but there is a lot of bells and whistles to the Crown design....... and you can hear them.

The Force 1 is very similar to the PaiAudio DR2 and its clones, only slightly more refined, for twice the price.

https://cqtek.squig.link/?share=SuperTFZ_Force1,Paiaduio_DR2

For the future of the brand, let's hope you are right.

 

[Redcarmoose]

The Force 1 is very similar to the PaiAudio DR2 and its clones, only slightly more refined, for twice the price.

https://cqtek.squig.link/?share=SuperTFZ_Force1,Paiaduio_DR2

For the future of the brand, let's hope you are right.

I think all the IEMs are from 3 main factories in China?

 

[Redcarmoose]

The Force 1 is very similar to the PaiAudio DR2 and its clones, only slightly more refined, for twice the price.

https://cqtek.squig.link/?share=SuperTFZ_Force1,Paiaduio_DR2

For the future of the brand, let's hope you are right.

I’m not defending SuperTFZ, but maybe a little?

Not 2X the price?
$79.00 Force 1
$49.00 DR2

Both sold at Penon Audio

Well, the $30 more got you more accessories, plus the Force 1 came out later. What was wild though was some of them had this vent in the nozzle, and some didn’t as far as I could tell? Never heard the DR2?

 

[Nabillion_786]

Well, I need to finish burn-in, as there is an intensity to the Pinna Region, one that so far is ever so slightly aggressive. I don’t want to spoil the party just yet, as at the moment it is fine with 90% of music, but really it walks that line. The line that is a double edged sword in that vocals are totally forward and not what you would expect from a single full-range DD?!

Yep, they have great vocals, yet I’m hopping for them to smooth out just 10% or so, then I can say they are close to perfect. Where the separation and timbre is great, just as slight tad too forward, yet I need to do a whole lot of other things that will help to make them smooth, but to tell you the truth I haven’t even used the included cable or really heard them much after first OTB impressions, they may be fine now? Remember too, my ear-tips of choice are wide-bore “donut” silicones!

When you say “best” you mean what? Good vocal IEMs like the TINHIFI Big Panda, or the Penon Volt? I would say they are on course to be great at vocals, which in my book is not something I always expect from single full-range DDs, that’s what is unique. Let me know what Vocal IEM you have in mind, I may have it and I will do a back-to-back right now! I do have IEMs that are great with vocals (but it is not always what I look for in IEMs) (and I could be actually guilty of not emphasizing vocals enough in reviewing) but In many ways just the stance of the Crown tune, the way everything is positioned, is making the Crown excellent at vocals, even the placement of bass is leaving that vocal window open.

Still a $219.00 dollar IEM, while great at vocals, is not going to necessarily have vocals like a $1850.00 IEM.

Appreciate the detailed response bro!

I don't think I've ever mentioned here why I keep wanting the very best male vocals iem. You see I listen to plenty of Quran (religous book) and all my favourite reciters are male vocalists that recite it beautifully. So my needs are very specific with top notch male vocals that have great realism, clarity and thickness. Out of all iems I have tried I prefer the kanas pro and kato since they seem to sound quite thick despite a metallic timbre. Just wanting an upgrade over them now and also having any type of thinness or vocal recession is an instant turn off for me. Just need a kato on steroids type iem but that iem doesn't exist yet to my knowledge. Dunu seem to have good quality drivers but they don't have one that is suited for male vocals aside from the impossible to get vernus iem.

 

[superuser1]

Loaner set from @suman134 is the EA1000 and had a brief listening session with the latter. Impassions to follow after more burn in. Any thoughts on the filters?

 

[Redcarmoose]

Appreciate the detailed response bro!

I don't think I've ever mentioned here why I keep wanting the very best male vocals iem. You see I listen to plenty of Quran (religous book) and all my favourite reciters are male vocalists that recite it beautifully. So my needs are very specific with top notch male vocals that have great realism, clarity and thickness. Out of all iems I have tried I prefer the kanas pro and kato since they seem to sound quite thick despite a metallic timbre. Just wanting an upgrade over them now and also having any type of thinness or vocal recession is an instant turn off for me. Just need a kato on steroids type iem but that iem doesn't exist yet to my knowledge. Dunu seem to have good quality drivers but they don't have one that is suited for male vocals aside from the impossible to get vernus iem.

Ohh, OK for spoken word. Well, it depends probably on a lot of things. Mainly we always talk of synergy and if it’s truly (the most) important or not it still needs to be addressed. As all the items in the playback stream affect the final sound. To tell you the truth in all my years here, I have only addressed this style of (male spoken word) listening one other time.

Still the whole signal chain is important simply because everything matters. So in essence I could get one style of replay due to my DAP and the Crown, another listener may get a slightly different sound while still using the Crown and my same DAP, but changing cables too. So it is everything, even the style of ear-tip you use. And I’m too early in my review to even attempt to truthfully answer if the Crown is the best you could get for your situation, for $219.00? Part of that issue on my side is I don’t totally focus on vocals, being I do like them, like the song I just posted, but I never concentrate on them....to the fullest extent. I’m more into the music and have actually collected a large collection of instrumentals due to an almost un-focused on vocal style. At this early point in my review process I’m not so sure the boost above the Pinna Gain area may detract from simply spoken male words passages? Meaning maybe darker IEMs than the Crown may work better for you? But I do get what you are after, you want a vibrant and tonally correct way to get close to the words as they are spoken. Finding natural tone is one of the best ways with single full-range DDs. As single DDs hold often closer to correct timbre than often Hybrids or Planars.

Normally I don’t comment on stuff I haven’t heard but maybe the $239.99 priced DUNU Falcon Ultra would be another suggestion, due to great supposedly timbre response? Also another that may be just what you are looking for is the SHOZY B2? Penon sells another variant of it called the SCB2 and while not exactly being a perfect vocal IEM, it may have a natural and clear sound you are looking for, as also great natural timbre. What I’m saying is maybe vocal forward IEMs may not be a necessity, for what you are after. I say this because a deeper woody tone, that is even a slight V or L shape may get you better results as long as it is clear.

An example:
SCB2 offers a clear and cleaner take by adding the ISN SC4 cable to the SHOZY B2 which while it’s still L shaped in response, it is brighter and more evenly done. So what I’m saying is not to always concentrate on finding vocal IEMs for your needs. Just a suggestion?

Also take note the Penon Vocal Cable is also an invention which promotes vocals, it really does, just adding the cable helps address a placement issue with the stage which will bring vocals both forward in position and correct for vocal tone.

I’ve never heard the Moondrop Kato or Kanas Pro?

 

[Ace Bee]

Oriveti OD200 and Simgot EA1000 - Yin and Yang​

Really, this is how they present themselves to me. I have been listening to them nonstop for a while. EA1000 since Thursday, and OD200 for more - almost 2 weeks. And both of them are incredible at what they do, sufficiently different to have their own unique signatures, and excelling in performance - making them unputdownable.

The OD200 are the more relaxed one, with a greater soundstage. The headspace created by them has excellent depth, width, and height - creating a highly three-dimensional presentation. The imaging is also immaculate within the space. The midbass is delightful, subbass controlled, full midrange, smooth but crisp treble that extends sufficiently. Notes are slightly smoother in comparison. Nevertheless, it is a highly musical and refined performance all around. They are the Yin, made for laid-back and comfortable listening sessions.

The EA1000 are the exact opposite. They are the king of textures and details. The level of resolution delivered by a single DD is truly unprecedented here. And what's more - the note weight and body are not sacrificed at all in the process! They are exquisitely defined to have a very full and tactile presence. The subbass is comparatively a degree higher, and the midbass delivers a pleasant slam as well. Midrange and treble have an exhilarating presence that is nothing short of stunning. The soundstage is slightly intimate in comparison, but still has very good width, and a tad bit less depth and height. Imaging is razor sharp. The overall presentation is more clear and radiant, slightly detail-oriented, with adequate musicality. They are the Yang, made for active and joyful listening sessions.

I cannot be thankful enough to have the best of both worlds in my collection.

 

[Nabillion_786]

Ohh, OK for spoken word. Well, it depends probably on a lot of things. Mainly we always talk of synergy and if it’s truly (the most) important or not it still needs to be addressed. As all the items in the playback stream affect the final sound. To tell you the truth in all my years here, I have only addressed this style of (male spoken word) listening one other time.

Still the whole signal chain is important simply because everything matters. So in essence I could get one style of replay due to my DAP and the Crown, another listener may get a slightly different sound while still using the Crown and my same DAP, but changing cables too. So it is everything, even the style of ear-tip you use. And I’m too early in my review to even attempt to truthfully answer if the Crown is the best you could get for your situation, for $219.00? Part of that issue on my side is I don’t totally focus on vocals, being I do like them, like the song I just posted, but I never concentrate on them....to the fullest extent. I’m more into the music and have actually collected a large collection of instrumentals due to an almost un-focused on vocal style. At this early point in my review process I’m not so sure the boost above the Pinna Gain area may detract from simply spoken male words passages? Meaning maybe darker IEMs than the Crown may work better for you? But I do get what you are after, you want a vibrant and tonally correct way to get close to the words as they are spoken. Finding natural tone is one of the best ways with single full-range DDs. As single DDs hold often closer to correct timbre than often Hybrids or Planars.

Normally I don’t comment on stuff I haven’t heard but maybe the $239.99 priced DUNU Falcon Ultra would be another suggestion, due to great supposedly timbre response? Also another that may be just what you are looking for is the SHOZY B2? Penon sells another variant of it called the SCB2 and while not exactly being a perfect vocal IEM, it may have a natural and clear sound you are looking for, as also great natural timbre. What I’m saying is maybe vocal forward IEMs may not be a necessity, for what you are after. I say this because a deeper woody tone, that is even a slight V or L shape may get you better results as long as it is clear.

An example:
SCB2 offers a clear and cleaner take by adding the ISN SC4 cable to the SHOZY B2 which while it’s still L shaped in response, it is brighter and more evenly done. So what I’m saying is not to always concentrate on finding vocal IEMs for your needs. Just a suggestion?

Also take note the Penon Vocal Cable is also an invention which promotes vocals, it really does, just adding the cable helps address a placement issue with the stage which will bring vocals both forward in position and correct for vocal tone.

I’ve never heard the Moondrop Kato or Kanas Pro?

Thanks, there is some great suggestions here. Everything you are saying I completely agree with and the 2 iems you mentioned were previously recommendedfor me aswell. It's just that others are telling me that the kato are just as good as those iems with male vocals so it would not be worth getting them.

Also, I have read that male vocals in particular aren't specialised in most iems and it is difficult to get them sounding top notch. I agree with this after hearing countless iems and am still on the hunt for that perfect iem for me with dd iems being my preference. I will wait and am hearing that dunu are working on a vernus 2.0 which is exactly the type of iem I should be looking into.

 

[claud W]

Connected a Penon OS849 to the EA 500 and Spinfits getting ready to break in EA500. Turned on L & P W4 and let her rip and boy was I astonished!!! They sounded just as good to me as my EA 1000. Will still give them a week of break in anyhow to hear what develops .