Sep 15, 2023 at 11:38 AM Post #85,831 of 151,925
Awesome testing Nik, helps time fly in hospital bed also I bet.

100% agree in BTR7 being a very good performer, mire than happy with mine. Use it actually every workday during lunch breaks 😁
Thanks! I am already resting at home so my own bed is getting (ab)used 23 hours a day 😅

Indeed, it's a great all rounder with no major lag issues or anything negative that's worth noting.
 
Sep 15, 2023 at 12:31 PM Post #85,833 of 151,925
First Rehabilitation Test is complete!

Finding the best portable source for Aurora.

I went through these following songs which cover all spectrums very capably. Below each song I briefly described how the three contestants fared.

Meet the contestants, from left to right: Penon Tail, Fiio BTR7, Venture Electronics Megatron


Some differences were extremely subtle, while others were immediately apparent! It goes to show that choosing the right source is absolutely crucial in overall auditory performance!

1st Song (three various strings spread over the soundstage, a very focused female vocal)


BTR7:
+:
clearer vocal and guitars, highly detailed strings, good resolution, bitey, good dynamics, good imaging
-: not the best separation of instruments, soundstage not the largest.

Megatron:
+: nicer separation, better soundstage width, good imaging
-: smoothens everything, less detailed, less bitey, less dynamic, female vocal too mellowed

Tail:
-:
worst soundstage, poor imaging, worse separation, additional grittiness in vocals, adds weight to low mids, slightly plasticky strings on the far right

2nd Song (soothing female vocal, piano, bass, and trumpets timbre, precise staging)


BTR7:
+:
great imaging, good separation, wonderful vocal, best timbre
-: not the widest stage

Megatron:
+: more pronounced bass, softer but thicker piano notes, widest stage
-: vocal a bit pushed back, all notes are more pillowy than on BTR7

Tail:
+: better width than BTR7
-: more bass, but worse controlled, funny sounding trumpets, slightly boring

3rd Song (piano note weight, expressive female vocals, precise staging, dynamics)


BTR7:
+:
very clear piano with decent note weight, vocal nice (a bit more back than on M), quick
-: lean presentation

Megatron:
+:
weightier notes, vocal a bit more forward and more soulful than on BTR7, adds bass weight
-: less clarity in piano notes

Tail:
-:
timbre of piano is slightly off, note separation not as good as on BTR7, vocals not as forward nor clear as the other two, adds more midbass/low mids than other two, not as resolute

4th Song (openness, jazz club ambiance, stage depth, timbral accuracy)


BTR7:
+: best layering and depth perception, good timbre, good resolution

Megatron:
+:
better layering than T, timbre is okay -: resolution not the best

Tail:
-:
2D stage, cannot keep elements apart, timbre a bit off

5th Song (multiple overlapping sounds, back vocals, bass presence/extension/punch, treble quality)


BTR7:
+: everything done very capably, good bass punch
-: bass lacks weight

Megatron:
+: meaty bass
-: not as punchy as BTR7, not the most resolving due to smoothness

Tail:
+:
solid punch, okay separation
-: adds artificial bass cca 80-150hz which is very noticeable and annoying in this song, lacks power for subbass, worst resolution

6th Song (sax and piano timbre, presence, naturalness, openness)


BTR7:
+: very resolving, good imaging, good separation
-: a bit clinical and cold, least bassy

Megatron:
+:
adds a layer of warmth, imaging good
-: resolution two steps behind BTR7, sax not bitey enough

Tail:
-: artificial midbass boost, lacks clarity and resolution of BTR7 and even Megatron

7th Song (technical electronica, highly rhythmic, requires quality bass and good atmospherical presentation)


BTR7:
+: greatest staging and a fraction more ambience than on Megatron
-: a bit too sterile

Megatron:
+:
best for house/techno
-: lacks technicalities of BTR7 due to smoothening

Tail:
-:
ridiculous rhythm section at the beginning with bloated midbass, worst soundstage, not great at dynamics

8th Song (technicalities, male vocal, incredibly dynamic outro)


BTR7:
+: clean bass, widest soundstage, best separation, resolution, a decent mix of musicality and technicality but more on the technical side
-: bass does not feel as effortless as with Megatron

Megatron:
+: nicer more natural bass than Tail, soundstage decent, male vocal has body, more on the musical side
-: snappy sounds are not quick enough

Tail:
-: funny bloomy bass, quick sounds are not as snappy and dynamic, imaging not up to BTR7 standard

Conclusion:
This ended up being way more one-sided than I thought. An easy win goes to Fiio BTR7.


But, IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER, all tests were done with it wired as a USB DAC/AMP, and it's way less dynamic and way less resolving when used as a BT DAC/AMP!

Ps. Check out all these tunes, they are amazing in one way or another 👍
Everything that comes with THX Amp sounds really nice.

But I still recommend the btr5, nice power/price ratio
 
Sep 15, 2023 at 1:55 PM Post #85,834 of 151,925
Sep 15, 2023 at 3:39 PM Post #85,835 of 151,925
Hey guys! Looks like it's bone conduction quad-brid fest in my house. Here's my review of BGVP Phantom, their latest 2DD + 2BA + 2EST + 2BCD quad-brid IEM. AFAIK, this is the cheapest BCD quad-brid in the market at $900 and quite a good one at that. I particularly loved how it is able to present an engulfing soundstage with good depth, depth layering and strong instrument definition and imaging. What's also cool is that it has thermochromic dyed wood shells that change to a lighter colour once they come in contact with the skin - something which might not be to everyone's liking but maybe the wood shells would be since this is a stock design and it's great that BGVP aren't charging any extra for them. Read on to know what I think and let me know if you have questions or would like comparisons with any other IEMs. Cheers!

 
Sep 15, 2023 at 4:25 PM Post #85,837 of 151,925
Sep 15, 2023 at 6:30 PM Post #85,838 of 151,925
Its there any chance you can compare the EDA balance with Castor Standard, and EDA Bass with Caster bass ? Just wonder how far KZ can improve with the similar price range. Thanks !
Sure, I will be happy to compare, please give me 1-2 days. EDA can be now a step or two away from Castors being double DDs, with useful switches, while their $12-14 are more of KZ promotion or messaging/signaling ($20-25 would be more expected price along D-Fi lines).
I remember EDA balanced making very positive impressions back then; the bass EDA took few seconds to conclude "oh, really bassy", so I will "burn" it for couple of hours just in case for fairness.

I will compare Castors also with CRA, CRA+, ESX and more recent Hola, Linlong, D-Fi and Wan'er.
If there are more suggestions - I will gladly compare with what I have.

Last few days I got more and more appreciation of Phoenixcall:
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The tuning is somewhat opposite to "V" - a pinna gain is low, and the bass is quite gentle. Yet, greatly, the bass/treble balance is very well done for my taste/enjoyment. Also both bass and treble are well-extended. Finally, the driver integration (5 of 3 knds) is very well done to my perception, and the bass is not honky/tubby that I love.
My ears adjusted to the mid-bulkiness using Clarion tips.
Phoenixcall works great for gentle immersion into the flow of music.

P. S. Aesthetics of the Phoenixcall is stunning, so I am even more happy that it is enjoyable.
 
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Sep 15, 2023 at 8:45 PM Post #85,839 of 151,925
I see on fb, any price confirmation?

No info so far.

But this is not to be confused with the more expensive GK200 that is releasing soon (which is the sequel to the GK100).

This GK20 is a budget IEM and is a sequel to the original GK10.

Haha just deduct a single 0 from behind to tell if it is a budget or midFI priced IEM haha.
 
Sep 15, 2023 at 9:33 PM Post #85,840 of 151,925
Hey guys! Looks like it's bone conduction quad-brid fest in my house. Here's my review of BGVP Phantom, their latest 2DD + 2BA + 2EST + 2BCD quad-brid IEM. AFAIK, this is the cheapest BCD quad-brid in the market at $900 and quite a good one at that. I particularly loved how it is able to present an engulfing soundstage with good depth, depth layering and strong instrument definition and imaging. What's also cool is that it has thermochromic dyed wood shells that change to a lighter colour once they come in contact with the skin - something which might not be to everyone's liking but maybe the wood shells would be since this is a stock design and it's great that BGVP aren't charging any extra for them. Read on to know what I think and let me know if you have questions or would like comparisons with any other IEMs. Cheers!

I've had both the MEST Mk.2 and Phantom for a couple of months now and IMO it's not fair to compare the two as they're in completely different price brackets. Bass is much lower and treble is muffled compared to the MEST. That's not counting detail retrieval either which is comparing a "mid-fi" set to high end.

I'd've sold the Phantoms at this point if I thought I'd get at least $500 for them but nobody talks about them and there's hardly any reviews out. It was my expensive lesson to wait for others to get their hands on before spending the coin.

Picture taken for proof.
 

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Sep 15, 2023 at 11:09 PM Post #85,841 of 151,925
I should clarify that they aren't bad by any means but they are maybe worth half the price of MSRP.
 
Sep 15, 2023 at 11:35 PM Post #85,842 of 151,925
First Rehabilitation Test is complete!

Finding the best portable source for Aurora.

I went through these following songs which cover all spectrums very capably. Below each song I briefly described how the three contestants fared.

Meet the contestants, from left to right: Penon Tail, Fiio BTR7, Venture Electronics Megatron
20230913_105310.jpg

Some differences were extremely subtle, while others were immediately apparent! It goes to show that choosing the right source is absolutely crucial in overall auditory performance!

1st Song (three various strings spread over the soundstage, a very focused female vocal)
Screenshot_20230914_195306_TIDAL.jpg

BTR7:
+:
clearer vocal and guitars, highly detailed strings, good resolution, bitey, good dynamics, good imaging
-: not the best separation of instruments, soundstage not the largest.

Megatron:
+:
nicer separation, better soundstage width, good imaging
-: smoothens everything, less detailed, less bitey, less dynamic, female vocal too mellowed

Tail:
-:
worst soundstage, poor imaging, worse separation, additional grittiness in vocals, adds weight to low mids, slightly plasticky strings on the far right

2nd Song (soothing female vocal, piano, bass, and trumpets timbre, precise staging)
Screenshot_20230914_195352_TIDAL.jpg

BTR7:
+:
great imaging, good separation, wonderful vocal, best timbre
-: not the widest stage

Megatron:
+:
more pronounced bass, softer but thicker piano notes, widest stage
-: vocal a bit pushed back, all notes are more pillowy than on BTR7

Tail:
+:
better width than BTR7
-: more bass, but worse controlled, funny sounding trumpets, slightly boring

3rd Song (piano note weight, expressive female vocals, precise staging, dynamics)
Screenshot_20230914_195423_TIDAL.jpg

BTR7:
+:
very clear piano with decent note weight, vocal nice (a bit more back than on M), quick
-: lean presentation

Megatron:
+:
weightier notes, vocal a bit more forward and more soulful than on BTR7, adds bass weight
-: less clarity in piano notes

Tail:
-:
timbre of piano is slightly off, note separation not as good as on BTR7, vocals not as forward nor clear as the other two, adds more midbass/low mids than other two, not as resolute

4th Song (openness, jazz club ambiance, stage depth, timbral accuracy)
Screenshot_20230914_195606_TIDAL.jpg

BTR7:
+:
best layering and depth perception, good timbre, good resolution

Megatron:
+:
better layering than T, timbre is okay -: resolution not the best

Tail:
-:
2D stage, cannot keep elements apart, timbre a bit off

5th Song (multiple overlapping sounds, back vocals, bass presence/extension/punch, treble quality)
Screenshot_20230914_195408_TIDAL.jpg

BTR7:
+:
everything done very capably, good bass punch
-: bass lacks weight

Megatron:
+:
meaty bass
-: not as punchy as BTR7, not the most resolving due to smoothness

Tail:
+:
solid punch, okay separation
-: adds artificial bass cca 80-150hz which is very noticeable and annoying in this song, lacks power for subbass, worst resolution

6th Song (sax and piano timbre, presence, naturalness, openness)
Screenshot_20230914_195438_TIDAL.jpg

BTR7:
+:
very resolving, good imaging, good separation
-: a bit clinical and cold, least bassy

Megatron:
+:
adds a layer of warmth, imaging good
-: resolution two steps behind BTR7, sax not bitey enough

Tail:
-:
artificial midbass boost, lacks clarity and resolution of BTR7 and even Megatron

7th Song (technical electronica, highly rhythmic, requires quality bass and good atmospherical presentation)
Screenshot_20230914_195453_TIDAL.jpg

BTR7:
+:
greatest staging and a fraction more ambience than on Megatron
-: a bit too sterile

Megatron:
+:
best for house/techno
-: lacks technicalities of BTR7 due to smoothening

Tail:
-:
ridiculous rhythm section at the beginning with bloated midbass, worst soundstage, not great at dynamics

8th Song (technicalities, male vocal, incredibly dynamic outro)
Screenshot_20230914_195504_TIDAL.jpg

BTR7:
+: clean bass, widest soundstage, best separation, resolution, a decent mix of musicality and technicality but more on the technical side
-: bass does not feel as effortless as with Megatron

Megatron:
+:
nicer more natural bass than Tail, soundstage decent, male vocal has body, more on the musical side
-: snappy sounds are not quick enough

Tail:
-:
funny bloomy bass, quick sounds are not as snappy and dynamic, imaging not up to BTR7 standard

Conclusion:
This ended up being way more one-sided than I thought. An easy win goes to Fiio BTR7.
20230914_133953.jpg

But, IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER, all tests were done with it wired as a USB DAC/AMP, and it's way less dynamic and way less resolving when used as a BT DAC/AMP!

Ps. Check out all these tunes, they are amazing in one way or another 👍

Awesome testing Nik, helps time fly in hospital bed also I bet.

100% agree in BTR7 being a very good performer, mire than happy with mine. Use it actually every workday during lunch breaks 😁

That's what I feel when using the BTR7 at the first time. And I'm using my BTR7 more than my M17 since then, can you believe it? of course the M17 is better, but the practical and portability of BTR7 with its great sound is priceless. Thinking about $200 BTR7 vs $1800 M17 and can reach about at least 80% sound quality of M17, this one worth for blind buy one. Streaming lossless apple music from my phone through LDAC codec wirelessly never been so good.
 
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Sep 16, 2023 at 2:36 AM Post #85,844 of 151,925
Howdy folks,

My review of R3II is online on YouTube. In case you want to read, you can find the review article on head-fi here



I admit: I didn’t have much expectation when I heard about R3II. However, the device quickly won me over with the portability and sound quality. No, this tiny box does not offer the sound quality that makes my DX300 redundant. However, it does not hinder the soundstage performance of my IEMs significantly whilst being much more compact and pocketable. And that’s what a micro DAP should do.

Absolute Sonic Performance: 3/5 - Good.

Bias score: 4/5 - I am happy to add this device to my rotation.

Pros:
  • Size
  • Price
  • Battery
  • Good detail retrieval
  • No significant compromise in soundstage
Cons:
  • Audio latency over AAC connection
  • Album art compatibility issue




Between BTR7 and this one, I would pick this one instead because I have accumulated quite a decent amount of FLAC files now, and I don't need my phone, unlike BTR7 that cannot do anything without a phone or tablet. I don't have BTR7 to compare with R3II side by side, but I don't think the sound quality would be a determining factor in the purchase decision between these two.
 
Sep 16, 2023 at 2:42 AM Post #85,845 of 151,925
I've had both the MEST Mk.2 and Phantom for a couple of months now and IMO it's not fair to compare the two as they're in completely different price brackets.

Hey! Well, even though I'm a big proponent of different preferences, choices and how every review should be treated as 1 data point in the larger scheme of things, I'm posting a reply just because you kinda implied that I did something unreasonable. You should know that as reviewers, we sometimes have to include stuff in our reviews with a larger picture in mind, the kinda stuff our readers generally ask for and the kind of questions we get in PMs after every review we publish. So, not everything is done in a direct sense. :sweat_smile:

Even though I didn't really want to, I merely included that comparison with a foresight of the number of requests I'd get to compare Phantom to MEST MK2 (MM2) mainly because they both are BCD quad-brid IEMs and MM2 is one of the most popular BCD quad-brids while being the closest one in pricing. It's not included in there to imply Phantom can level its performance or anything of that track but merely to show how these two have two different types of BCD drivers and implementation, and because there's no other BCD quad-brid around Phantom's price point. If you notice in my comparison, I only state what I hear and purposefully avoid including too much of my own personal preferences in order to keep it simple for the reader and leave the decision on him to decide what he'd like rather than I tell him what he would (which would be weird). Oh and I could've included other BCD quad-brids like Empire Legend EVO, Kinera Loki Emerald or UM MM too but didn't just because they get more and more expensive, which is why I limited it to only one BCD quad-brid comparison while the rest are popular IEMs in that segment, regardless of their driver config.

If pricing was the only reason to include IEMs in comparisons, I shouldn't have included MEST MK2 in Kinera Loki Emerald's review either considering Loki Emerald is almost twice its price. But again it was done just because I knew I would get those questions and it is something I thought most readers would like to read about to see how Loki Emerald does compared to one of the most popular BCD quad-brids.

Philosophically, pricing generally is no indication of performance. IMO, quite a few TOTL priced IEMs don't level Moondrop S8 or Symphonium Helios' tonal and technical performance in all or certain aspects but well, I digress.

Bass is much lower and treble is muffled compared to the MEST. That's not counting detail retrieval either which is comparing a "mid-fi" set to high end.

Now I can see that MEST MK2 is more your jam and fits your preferences better, which is wonderful. It sure is one of the nicer IEMs in its price segment and one of the popular ones too.

But you see, more bass or a bigger bass shelf is not everyone's preference nor does it equal better bass. MEST MK2 does have a slightly bigger sub-bass shelf and images the bass more upfront due to its fuller signature, which is something you might prefer but not all might. I personally like my bass to be more in its place and go deeper into the stage, which is why I like Phantom's presentation more in this case even though I don't state my personal choice in the comparison purposefully.

Also, detail retrieval is quite a tricky thing because brighter (sparklier, sizzlier and airier) treble tuning can trick us into perceiving more detail just because it's like shining a big bright spotlight on everything. So, what I personally like to do is try and write about the individual IEM's technical capabilities as per its tuning. Otherwise tuning can greatly influence perception of some aspects of technical performance and I'd be claiming all the bright IEMs to have the best detail retrieval, be it a $200 one, while they might not be for everyone, especially the treble sensitive, which was kinda the case with MEST IEMs too. The treble sensitive complained of it being bright even though I personally was fine with its treble. :sweat_smile:

Now when you compare MEST MK2 and Phantom back to back, the mere brightness of MEST MK2's treble can make Phantom's treble sound lesser in quantity in comparison, 'muffled' in your case (which I don't agree with) but you got to realise that MEST MK2 has north of neutral treble boosting while Phantom is sparkly with its lower-treble but warmer with its upper-treble tuning. Again, choice here will depend on how one likes his treble served. I'd probably pick the MEST MK2 when I'm in a mood for a vibrant signature but not everyone might and neither would I every day. On the other hand, I personally dig Phantom for its more accurate ear gain because I personally like a more neutral ear gain peak, about 9dB of it as you can see in my Animagus Preference and Neutral Targets, something I personally value quite a lot for tonality of instruments as an musician/audio engineer.

All this is why we at Twister6, I as well as Alex (@twister6 ), mostly try to write what we hear in our reviews and leave the decision on the readers to decide if something's for them or not. In fact, I sometimes try and put in some of my personal preferences more than Alex does, who goes for an even more neutral approach. :sweat_smile: Plus the graphs are in there to back what we hear and for our readers to see and not take our written word as gospel. :slight_smile:

I'd've sold the Phantoms at this point if I thought I'd get at least $500 for them but nobody talks about them and there's hardly any reviews out. It was my expensive lesson to wait for others to get their hands on before spending the coin.

I can't comment on its resale value but if it's not for you, put it up on Head-fi Classifieds. You never know, you might get takers right away. Buying blind without trying or without many reviews is always a risk. In fact, you tend to lose even more money as you go up the price segments or if you try and sell once the hype has died down and it's not the flavour of the month anymore. People lose significant money even on popular TOTL IEMs like Trailli, Jewel and the likes. Even most U12ts generally go for around $1200 or lesser in the used market even though they are one of the most popular, critically acclaimed IEMs. That's a $800 loss on MRP of $2000. Just saying...

Hope this explains my inclusion of that comparison in detail. Haha! :smile: Cheers and happy listening! :smiley:
 
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