The discovery thread!
Dec 25, 2022 at 12:11 AM Post #69,721 of 105,054
I don’t know about the brand or internals, but i do have the p5 so i can tell more about sound hehe.

Btw Merry Christmas Everyone!! Hope you guys have a musical one :)
Been having my ears take in the Zero Audio Carbo Tenore combined with my almost 10 year old Sony A17 with no ampage, and rockin' my pop music folder, and i've been dancing in between work at these holidays. Three days off begins now! Cheers! :beerchug: :L3000:
 
Dec 25, 2022 at 12:45 AM Post #69,722 of 105,054
Dec 25, 2022 at 2:45 AM Post #69,723 of 105,054
Ahh! That BA10, I was set off by its Ironman themed color and squared shaped design, is it good KZ hit? Hmm maybe I will grab it if KZ official decided to do a sale, like they did for ZEX for $13.

ZS7’s fr reminds me of DQ6S, maybe I could try with wagon sale opportunities as well.

Thanks for bring it up👍
BA10 has very DD-like bass, smooth spacious mids and a tamed treble compared with other KZ's because of the inner configuration and no BAs in the nozzle. ZS7 has rich deep bass from its DD and the same BAs as the BA10 for mids and treble. Both are well made and only the fit issues with the BA10 may put some people off. Luckily I get a good fit with my large ear canals. BA10 is best with the Starlines for me and Spiral Dots for the ZS7. For me, a brighter source is good with the ZS7 whereas a more neutral one suits the BA10. The four-way crossover in these two is also a factor, I think.
 
Dec 25, 2022 at 3:01 AM Post #69,724 of 105,054
Xmas gift arrived. Will Update on this post later.

▶︎As usual, this is my private purchase. No biases except my personal pov.

初 on Zero’s subtitle means “the beginning / the first” in Chinese
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—Graph observations
I can see from the FR on the backside of the package that Zero is Crin’s tuning. It has his 2.9kHz pinna gain adjustment when compared to 3khz of HEXA’s. Yes Crin is 2.9kHz peak.

What triggered my interest is the sub-bass lift for ZERO is diverting from Crin’s favorite “lift sub-bass from bottom to 150hz straight up” style, it has a dip on very low-end. Will find out later.

—The outlook
To be honest, one thing that had me hold on pressing “go” for Zero was the pictures I see on the internet. My personal view was “ah…it looks cheap and plastic-y, maybe another tripowin Mele”

But when the actual Zero showed up, the impression is now updated.

It has solid build. And actually Zero has UV shift color change from blue to purple, as you can see from Moondrop’s Starfield/Stellaris. Haha, HeyGear👀

Blue state:
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Purple shift state:
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I love those gimmicks. It’s great gift option candidates for ladies now. They love thos cosmetics over actual performance.

ZERO and HEXA.

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—Accessories
Truthear, knows well about acoustics. Proper bore with ear tips, bass boost / high tame bore, and for formies lover, they’d added a pair. Basically same set you can find from HEXA, same cables/ear tips/ pouch. As someone working with automotive sector, I do see truthear is very “cost-strict” manufacturer. Yes, VW, Toyota, all those world #1,2 groups are applying same concept. So we can obtain a maximum output from minimum investment.


…but as usual why “golden”😓, If I’m user experience manager, I’d throw following question to product team

Hey. Your design concept is crystal clear. Black and White. Transparency and adolescence. What’s intention of you adding “gold” here? It doesn’t match with your concept. If users find one tiniest “out of nowhere implications” it will degrade the open box experiences. What, that’s the cheapest pouch procurement team brought up? Call them to my office. I will have Chief Project Manager and CEO hop on the meeting to source a better little pouch. Proposal rejected”
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—Out of box impression
Out of box impression

HEXA is a combination of one large DD + tweeter small DD. Nothing groundbreaking as this combination existed with KZ’s ZS5 (2017) not only that KZ added 2BA super-tweeter right near fhe nozzle of ZS5.

What’s making Zero a collaboration-worthy with Crin is that, the driver is LCP backed. Of which I now have no other choice other than LCP to look for any dynamic drivers for a proper modern IEM (& not ridiculously expensive). LCP DD generally takes 30 hours of initial burn-in, from my various past LCP ride experiences, so this impression is could be 80% of what ZERO has to offer.

To summarize, ZERO is surely a very nicely crafted piece of high-performance machine. Clean, lean, a little brighter shifted vocal focused neutral with sub bass boost. Note weight is slightly on leaner side but still very natural. No sign of sibilance but nicely defined details.

ZERO vs Cadenza
I watched a video that HBB set ZERO as one of best $sub 50 aside from his Cadenza push, and having both Cadenza and Zero, I have to say HBB’s evaluation is 90% or above based on tonality alone, not actual performance. There is an undeniable gap between Cadenza and Zero in terms of technical expressions. Great to know that.

Unfortunately Zero’s pinna peak 2.9khz is 2khz off from 3.07k khz peak, and I do feel Zero is not my cup of tea, at least with stock ear tips.

If any IEM’s pinna peak is off more than 500hz, it will start sounds off tuned. For me HEXA is still within the tolerance interval, not Zero. But I’m not disappointed because you can change the IEM’s gain peak by ear tips. See @DynamicEars post about his great achievements in measuring different types of ear tips and it’s effect on this post.
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I will try with SpinFit CP360 to shift pinna peak a bit closer to mine.

—Zero with CP360
Night and day….!
This is how you feel when certain IEM’s vibe collides with your personal HRTF.

Wow, ZERO sounds good. I need to have A-B test with modified Aria now. No need to compare with Lea, there is a easy to tell gap in technicalities between Zero and Lea, at least to someone with pinna gain spot around 3.07k +/- 500hz.

—Subbass handling
After few test runs, I start to comprehend the reasons why Zero has slightly less emphasized 20hz region. Crin, if he really dedicated in tuning, is a pretty trustworthy tuner, that I’d admit.

Due to the fact that Zero is having 2 of dynamic drivers singing in unison, the sound pressure from 2DD is already high enough, a little too much feeling, if he added additional sub-bass boost, it can cross a line of fatigue causing. That balance, from an audiophile’s virtue is well executed.

Great sub-bass arrangement. When you play EDM with Zero, the bass drum’s impact is pleasantly knock you head, not hard slamming, but a soft slam, which feels nice.

—Treble
When coupled with CP360 to match close to my HRTF, Zero has pretty nice diffusion field array toward front, I bet that’s contributed by that independent tweeter DD, the upper air/presence region rendered by independent LCP tonality is very pleasant, unlike CNT/DLC’s solid core high pitch, it’s less fatiguing.

—Mid and Upper Mid
Unlike Crin’s Dusk, there is less emphasized on “female vocal’s 👄 “.

Random visual examples on the internet for dusk’s vocal presentation;
▶︎female vocalist’s lip on focus

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For ZERO It is more natural focus on the vocal range, from musicians standpoint or upper-mid sensitive, this approach is wrong or bothersome because you want concentrate on your own instrument not staring at vocalist.

Random samples on Internet to visualize ZERO’s approach;
▶︎vocalist on spotlight approach

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But for vast majority of listeners, this “vocal” focused approach is optimal approach. I personally refer this tuning as vocal-neutral, and to that extent, ZERO has near perfect tuning executed.

—ZERO vs HEXA
Both has same philosophy of clean tonality with several coloration spots, HEXA is less colored and near perfect in photo-realistic for vocal-backed music genre. It may be felt bright to some with flat preference curve, but it could be perceived as perfect neutral with slight sub-bass lift and spotlight on vocal. Meanwhile ZERO is more energetic U-shape tuned fun set with neutrality and natural timbre, note weight in mind.
For micro-detail dynamism, such as imaging and resolution, I may say HEXA is an upper hand, for macro-dynamism such as sound wave’s passage throughout head room, energy of the transients, are on ZERO’s hand. ZERO and HEXA although being fairly close tuning, can co-exist.

I’m pretty sure, after listening on both HEXA and ZERO you will be oblivious which one you are listening to. They both have excellent performances in different areas.

In fact, after few tracks of test runs, I was thinking “hmmm🤔 ZERO is REALLY great” then when I open my eyes, I saw Zero was off-plugged and I was actually listening HEXA😅. Very high chance that Zero will score 80+/100 IEM category. The LCP of HEXA does sound like the one of ZERO’s.



For this Karajan’s Berliner Philharmoniker, Mussorgsky, With HEXA you can have a better sense of spaces between the conductor, concert-master, better strings nuance expression, drastic change from pianissimo to fortessimo, whereas ZERO will render richer deeper resonating notes from Contrabass, Horn, Oboe —an emotional expression.

For Piano tracks, one of my all time favorites, Hiromi’s debut album Spiral


Of which I prefer ZERO’s expression over rather transparent HEXA’s. Her playing style on this tracks is very dynamic, reminds me of Keith Jarrett, and ZERO’s macro-dynamism oriented focus matches to Spiral very well.

At the very intro, you will hear very faint drums snare, high tom nuances expressions, of which ZERO with CP360 renders it to the degree that can convince me as a drummer, that small tap on floor tom, on ZERO’s LCP is what I’m expecting from a dynamics driver’s performance. Not CNT, not DLC, not UTL of Kato’s. It’s just that transient response of the floor tom’s little vibrations, is very nicely recasted.

Midrange technicalities:

I’d pick the father of ambient music, Brain Eno’s little brother , Roger Eno’s collaboration with his big brother Brian Eno. They are no amateur in harmonics, all those decades they’ve dedicated for it. I’m pretty sure Brian Eno and Roger Eno have studied hemi-sync as I can cite some of hemi-sync skills taking place in their artworks.

When a certain driver’s midrange technicality falls off from average the harmonics will start to smear, for that I confirmed ZERO is capable of rendering at least 4 layers of full midrange harmonics. Great. Par with HEXA in midrange.



As you can see from the package
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Shiroi-chan, she grew up from adolescent ZERO to matured HEXA, that’s what’s happening in tonality and technicalities as well. Matured HEXA or Young ZERO is up to your taste.

Maybe next Model from Truthear, we may see fully grown Shiroi-chan like this on next release.
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-Azurelane IJN Shinano


—Overall out of box
After certain burn-in, I will conduct my modded Aria vs ZERO, but as far as from my out of box experience, this Zero is worth your hard earned money to be spent on.

Very immersive feeling when listening to vocal genres, especially female vocal is beautifully done.

As far as I’ve went through this ZERO is best $sub50 experience so far.

Not limited to sub$50, I’d feel Zero is what I could call “great” region of IEMs where you see HEXA, Dusk, Tea, N5005, P5, Modded Aria would be regarded.

ZERO belongs to spot-hitter , spot-seeker type of IEM, where Moondrop, Softears, and many Harman, Ety IEMs are after for. If the gain peak hit with your preference spot , it will sound very spot-on, if not off-tuned.

Regardless of tuning preferences, ZERO has great hardware spec.

Only thing to consider is if you like vocal-focused presentations or not, and if you have gain spots situated 2.8khz-3.1khz (within this range, you can physically adjust gain spot to fit with your personal resonance spot.)

Love your choice of music. Roger Eno has been one of my favourite artists since "Voices" back in the 80s.
 
Dec 25, 2022 at 4:22 AM Post #69,725 of 105,054
You may find some info here




Band 8 (Performer 8)
1 bio diaphragm DD
4 Sonion Mid BA
3 Knowles High BA
4 way crossover, 3 way tube

-warm, vocal forward, rolled off treble which had reviewer to comment “lack of air”
FR from that review
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Performer 5 impression notes
See where P5 will be located

P5 is pretty hard earned money worthy investment you’d make for neutral reference monitor✌️

The graph of P8 reminds me of 64audio Tia Trio, with less trebles and treble extension
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While P5 is towards harmanish like moondrop s8 and monarch MKII, but with better pinna gain (non shouty)

btw, me myself not a fan of biofilm diaphragm for bass. They have good timbre and natural sound, but they aren't best performer for speed and tightness (smears on edges)
 
Dec 25, 2022 at 4:47 AM Post #69,726 of 105,054
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Dec 25, 2022 at 9:32 AM Post #69,729 of 105,054
Few days ago, I got all delayed (and grossly delayed AE by NL post, 2+ months) orders in one big lump. A brief overview of the major relevant items, while family is still sleeping on this beatiful snow Christmas Eve.
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1. Muse M3
The most awaited, and the most mixed impressions.
Well, first 4.4 and 3.5 outputs are hardwired, so it is a single-ended source. The power values are not given to disguise this fact, as well as provided slightly different THD+N values are a bit deceptive for, again, two hardwired outputs.
Furthermore, normal 4.4 cables do not work - the spacers (that are included but not mentioned anywhere in instructions, would surely save a lot of frustration) are needed. Well, 4.4 is effectively useless for me, my cables are 2.5, and not changing from them.
Next, M3 is the total power hog - 145 mA while playing (vs. 62 mA of E44 and 92 mA of mighty E1DA SG3) and 195 mW(!!) idle, no shutdown after 3+ minutes, and it was mentally damaging to test further. Ridiculous would not be a poweful enough word.
The thing (despite being heavy at 50+ g) gets pretty hot, especially in idle, and instructions are trying to address that it is "normal", stating that "only consumes a small amount of power", which is so far from reality: near 200 mA, >1 W in idle (!!)
What else - the knobs are clicking, while cold. When M3 gets hot, the expansion feels the gaps, so "clicking" is likely another unfortunate part of the power management.
To summarize all the pitfalls using the motto on the box: "Pursue the ultimate in the ultimate" (the power consumption and the weight are totally it), "find simplicity in the simple" (hardwired 4.4 and 3.5 surely qualify for that").
But (and that is a big "BUT" pardon my pun), the musical output is really nice, and the ESS 9038 filters are well implemented for a simple device and seem to be more different than I thought based on my previous experience with 9018 filters, and finally the nice aesthetics of the design, which one of the Muse distinctive features.
I got Muse M3 on an advice for a "musical" ESS implementation, and it seems to be true - definitely to be explored more!
I'll try to put together a short opinion piece on it, if I'll have time.

2. Moondrop spring tips.
Ordered the same time as TRI Clarion. Shenzhen Audio bothered to ship only after 5 days, so the package missed consolidation, and as a result I got TRI tips in 10 days and Moondrop - in 50(!) days

TRI Clarion became a miracle for me, first of all for the fit and then for the more resonating sound, and I outfited many (25+) IEMs with them. While Moondrop tips do not fit large nozzles, and in terms of the sound, they feel much more "specialist" to me.
What worked so far:
KBEar Neon for the seal, and Brainwavz B400 became a great winner with their narrow nozzles working well with Moondrop and with the resulting better seal and fit, so I plan to enjoy nice and unique B400 more.

3. Tempotec Sonata III
Finally, I could fully relate to what "musical" rendering is, as opposed to resolving and analytical. Nicely "cooked" ESS. Perhaps, a bit too much, but great to have such DAC in the collection for immersive relaxing listening.
Three pitfalls of Sonata III are micro USB (I can live with it); the nice buttons only switch the phone volume (why? the major disappointment for me, can be perhaps alleviated by using good software); and one of the most prominent fingerprint-magnet surfaces (quite similar E44 is better in my case).

Finally, I also enjoyed snapping few 24-core cables with NX7 connectors on clearance. They fit QDC at least better than 2 pins, and with the cut sleeves, they can be fitted to 2-pin connector nicely.
 
Dec 25, 2022 at 11:17 AM Post #69,730 of 105,054
BA10 has very DD-like bass, smooth spacious mids and a tamed treble compared with other KZ's because of the inner configuration and no BAs in the nozzle. ZS7 has rich deep bass from its DD and the same BAs as the BA10 for mids and treble. Both are well made and only the fit issues with the BA10 may put some people off. Luckily I get a good fit with my large ear canals. BA10 is best with the Starlines for me and Spiral Dots for the ZS7. For me, a brighter source is good with the ZS7 whereas a more neutral one suits the BA10. The four-way crossover in these two is also a factor, I think.
Thanks for the input! Will keep eyes on BA20/ZS7👍
Love your choice of music. Roger Eno has been one of my favourite artists since "Voices" back in the 80s.
Thank you!
Just like my interests in IEM, I’m equally interested in diversity of music genres, especially for those non-verbal frontiers of the expression. So Moondrop’s harman target sometimes doesn’t really make sense to instrumentals. There Monarch/Performer 5/Tea made good sense in recapturing the intensions.

Here are some of my favorite frontiers of the sceneries.

From classical to rag time to jazz,


Early attempts of piano technical arrangement from very ancient classical piano scenery, from Rachmaninoff, Lisdt,

To Minor , Alexander Scrabin,


And less popular and probably will scare away cacophony-phobia, Iannis Xenakis


Modern experimental by Synesthesia pianist Olivie Messiaen



And yes, Brain Eno’s “Music for Airports” is still my all time sleeping-pills or relaxation.
Minimal yet great phrase development, the beginning of ambient and easy listening.
 
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Dec 25, 2022 at 12:43 PM Post #69,731 of 105,054
"a little bleed" should never be something of a qualifier for something that tuned terrifically. "a tiny bit of sibilance". "The bass is a little slow and can be bloaty...but otherwise." You aren't the only one with addendums like this for KZ. I'd rather pay a bit more for a sound signature that doesn't have bleed, bloat, sibilance, or whatever "qualifier" a KZ connoisseur drops with "otherwise".
To be fair, you are right on this. A little bit means a lot, especially comparing minuscule differences that
our Eagle Ears hear. Just a quick listen,
PR1 Hifi - Vocals a little behind accustic background (Silicone and copper cable)
PR1 Pro - Vocals a little in front “” (Foam and silver copper cable) & More EQ room
PLA13 - Lower frequencies boasted a bit more than the other two (thicker wire than the other two w/Silicon)
Irony is Listening to Theory of a Deadman
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Dec 25, 2022 at 2:00 PM Post #69,732 of 105,054
Conducting dynamic driver A-B test
Truthear Zero vs Moondrop Kato vs Moondrop Aria (filter removed)

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All using stock cable, same ear tips.
Testing most technicalities demanding full orchestral tracks (i.e. Nurburgring race circuits).

To be very honest, you don’t really need much of technicalities for rock source like what HBB enjoys, yea I love them too, I was playing it myself too, but it doesn’t have historical authority, to the best 100 years of history even taking advanced math rocks, post rocks into the account, a burger shop is not what require you with proper dress-code to eat in. The spirit of Rock is/was exactly against the mainstream music scene back then if I learned that correctly, it is a fast food shop against Michelin 3-star french restaurant, a day-to-day familiar home-made taste that everyone loves.

However, if I was asked, what genre does it really require a technical expression as its first priority, I may consider Acoustic harmony by hundreds of raw players is what require technicalities, in general, except those hardcore electronica.

Technicalities of IEMs are very desired for classical and acoustic genre that humankind has advocated over centuries and centuries.


Test Track 1: Strings focused- Vivaldi-Summer with very good mastering


Test Track 2: Chamber focused- Host-the planets-Jupiter by Karajan-Berliner Philharmoniker


Test Track 3: Piano-Concerto - Rachmaninov -Piano Concerto No.1-by Krystian Zimerman x Seiji Ozawa x Boston Symphony Orchestra


Test Track 4: Choral - classical yet unbeatable, Sir Simon Rattle x Wiener Philharmoniker x No.9


After stock cable test, will do pure transducer test with same PWA copper
28 V2 4.4m TRRS.

Hmmm, Zero maybe a winner. Kato is a resolution queen, Kato and Zero can co-exist, but Aria may need to have a vacation.

Will post more details.

—Signature
Kato
| ref filter | Bright Neutral with low bass floor , reshoot of KXXS tuning
Aria | Very moondrop’s VDSF tuning, slightly less gain peak than harman target.
Zero | U-shape with a soft 2.9khz gain leak, sub-bass and 10khz+ has a noticeable boost that adds spices to the original track

—Overall Resolutions
▶︎it could differ by frequency bands

All: kato(ref filter)>zero>aria(mod)>aria (stock)

sub-bass: Aria(mod) > Zero > aria (stock) > Kato (ref filter)

Bass: Zero > aria (mod) > kato (ref filter) > aria (stock)

Mid : Kato (ref filter) > Zero > Aria (mod) > Aria (Stock)

High: Kato (ref filter) > Zero > Aria (Mod) > Aria (stock)

Ultra High: Kato (ref filter) = Zero > Aria (mod) > Aria (stock)

-Imaging handling
▶︎Imaging focus
Kato > Zero > Aria

▶︎Imaging density/texture
Kato > Zero > Aria

▶︎Imaging positioning
Kato = Zero > Aria

▶︎Imaging 3d depth / diffusion field coherence x diffusion field size

diffusion field coherence & conformity:
Zero = Kato >>Aria

diffusion field width:
Kato > Zero > Aria
diffusion field depth:
Zero > Kato > Aria

▶︎Imagining momentum /
Vectoring
Zero >> Kato = Aria

—Tonal Consistency : Harmonic distortion
Kato = Zero > Aria

-Tonal Balance:
Kato > Aria > Zero

🔴using same cable & ear tips:
-PW Audio Copper 28 V2
-SpinFit CP360

—Technical Expressions
▶︎Lower registers
ZERO > Aria = Kato
▶︎Mid range
Kato = Zero >> Aria
▶︎Upper Registers
KATO > ZERO > ARIA

—Tonal Balance
Aria > Kato > Zero

—Timbral Accuracy
Zero > Kato > Aria

* Kato although being most resolving one, bright neutral x base resolving capabilities, has a metallic harsh timbre in upper resisters which pulls Kato from natural timbre producing unit. It sounds the driver is hitting above its capacity.

—Final Preference

For strings / chamber : Kato
macro dynamism : Zero

Aria, probably can have a good rest as 2021-2022’s single dynamic budget princess👑 Well-done Aria…have a rest now👏

Aria on G string
 
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Dec 25, 2022 at 2:14 PM Post #69,733 of 105,054
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Final ZE8000: https://addictedtoaudio.com.au/coll...8000-noise-cancelling-true-wireless-earphones

Someone is racing towards TOTL (8000 series) :dt880smile: It's interesting to see that these TWS packs way more technology and innovation (according to Final) yet they are way way cheaper than A8000. I guess no one dare to price products higher than AirPods Pro 2.
I'm waiting for the Airpods Pro 2 ME (Money Edition). You know, the one where they add an extra 50% to the price just to reset the benchmark!:rolling_eyes:

I'm also a little disappointed with Final, that something costing more than a BTR7, doesn't support LDAC or have more than 5hrs battery.:triportsad:
 
Dec 25, 2022 at 2:17 PM Post #69,734 of 105,054
Hey guys! Here's my review of the Truthear Hexa. Read on to know if the hype levels the truth! The articles includes detailed impressions, graphs and comparisons with some of the popular sub-$100 IEMs as well as the 1DD+4BA Moondrop Blessing2, which a lot of people have been comparing the Hexa to. Enjoy!


 
Dec 25, 2022 at 2:35 PM Post #69,735 of 105,054
I'm waiting for the Airpods Pro 2 ME (Money Edition). You know, the one where they add an extra 50% to the price just to reset the benchmark!:rolling_eyes:

I'm also a little disappointed with Final, that something costing more than a BTR7, doesn't support LDAC or have more than 5hrs battery.:triportsad:
This is a pure profit product, its just waiting reviews saying its "better than airpods". 2 years and you lost one of them or the battery is beaten. The small form factor is a more compact junk tho 🤭
 

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