The discovery thread!

[jant71]

BGGAR seems to lose credibility daily for me. I find this claim particularly far fetched to believe.

I started the BGGAR Thor review and stopped after the BE is fast thing. BE is not fast the driver is fast. BE is a coating and adds some traits but the T6 is BE and not fast as are quite a few other Be. E5000 is not fast either is it? I guess I just don't follow quite a few of the BGGAR theorems/postulates.

 

[dharmasteve]

To me, the NA2 seems to be tuned a lot like the Harman curve, but w/o any any harsh upper mids or harsh treble...how I imagine the Starfield sounds (I still have not heard it).

When you do get a chance to listen to the Starfield, try to listen to it balanced rather than 3.5mm. It sounds totally different given a little juice. A better IEM than some give it credit.

 

[RikudouGoku]

When you do get a chance to listen to the Starfield, try to listen to it balanced rather than 3.5mm. It sounds totally different given a little juice. A better IEM than some give it credit.

What source do you use? I do believe there are sources with quite the powerful SE output.

 

[audio123]

To me, the NA2 seems to be tuned a lot like the Harman curve, but w/o any any harsh upper mids or harsh treble...how I imagine the Starfield sounds (I still have not heard it).

If you have IT00/NA2/NM2, you don't need to hear the Starfield.

 

[IEMusic]

The only thing that bothers me about BGGAR, when I am otherwise quite grateful for his reviews, understanding the limitations of subjectivity (he likes bass etc.) and hype-creating, is the fact that his list is basically 'the best of Linsoul' as whatever else is on there not from Linsoul is prohibitively expensive. Creates the impression that BL03 or L3 can compete against the giants. No, they can't.

Only my opinion, but I think that BGGAR is genuine when he really likes something. Over time, his opinions sometimes change, but that happens to all of us, and I think he’s taken some good measures to help avoid the honeymoon period pitfalls. He is more biased, based on his personal preferences (he likes bass), than someone like Crinacle, but BGGAR is also open and honest about is. I think @finalstan is absolutely correct. It’s his association with Linsoul that muddies the waters the most. Yes, a retail association is better than an association with certain brands (though ThieAudio is Linsoul), but if he were to also review products like the ISN H40 and Penon Orb, that would give him much more credibility, and help buffer his ranking list. He does, however, trash quite a lot of products that Linsoul sells as well, and has said plenty of things that I’m sure Linsoul didn’t like (like his QC rants about the UF, and more recently the L3).

If you have IT00/NA2/NM2, you don't need to hear the Starfield.

I believe that, but I really would just like to HEAR the Starfield to know what everyone is talking about when they reference it, just like the BL03. It is much more expensive than the BL03, so I don’t want to purchase it for myself.

 

[dharmasteve]

What source do you use? I do believe there are sources with quite the powerful SE output.

Hiby R5. The 4.4mm makes the Starfield sound a different IEM.

I believe that, but I really would just like to HEAR the Starfield to know what everyone is talking about when they reference it, just like the BL03. It is much more expensive than the BL03, so I don’t want to purchase it for myself.

The Starfield does not sound like the Blon 03 to me. The bass is completely different. I prefer the Blon 03 warts and all.

 

[IEMusic]

The Starfield does not sound like the Blon 03 to me. The bass is completely different. I prefer the Blon 03 warts and all.

Oh, I worded that poorly. I didn’t mean to imply that the Starfield sounds like the BL03. It’s just that both IEMs and their sound signatures are referenced an awful lot, and I would like to know what everyone is talking about regarding the Starfield. That was one of the main reasons I purchased the BL03. To hear what everyone was talking about.

 

[SciOC]

Only my opinion, but I think that BGGAR is genuine when he really likes something. Over time, his opinions sometimes change, but that happens to all of us, and I think he’s taken some good measures to help avoid the honeymoon period pitfalls. He is more biased, based on his personal preferences (he likes bass), than someone like Crinacle, but BGGAR is also open and honest about is. I think @finalstan is absolutely correct. It’s his association with Linsoul that muddies the waters the most. Yes, a retail association is better than an association with certain brands (though ThieAudio is Linsoul), but if he were to also review products like the ISN H40 and Penon Orb, that would give him much more credibility, and help buffer his ranking list. He does, however, trash quite a lot of products that Linsoul sells as well, and has said plenty of things that I’m sure Linsoul didn’t like (like his QC rants about the UF, and more recently the L3).

He got the ISN H40 if I recall and said they were nothing special. Correct me if I'm wrong...

 

[jant71]

He got the ISN H40 if I recall and said they were nothing special. Correct me if I'm wrong...

Should test him out. Take all the logos off an H40 and get him to think it is something new from Linsoul and see what what the opinion is.

I did always think that one was weird as there is a definite concensus on the H40 and how it sounds. Then factor in his love of bass and you figure he would be into the H40 and certainly deem it worthy of a review. Don't get me wrong I have never heard the H40 myself but it seems off. I mean if you love the Blon how can you not like the H40??

 

[ChrisOc]

He got the ISN H40 if I recall and said they were nothing special. Correct me if I'm wrong...

I don't know about the ISN H40 but I do know that he thought the TRI I3 were "off" or words to that effect and I thought they were very good. Having bought them blind (without reading reviews, except on the seller's page) I disagreed with him on the TRI I3 but I wanted to know what others thought (and that I was not altogether mad, just partially) so I did a search and ended up becoming a member of Headfi, people who know their gear.

 

[FreeWheelinAudioLuv2]

i've bit now on two earphones based on BGGAR'S reviews, and neither of them really sat near the top of my preferred list because it wasn't until a bit later i found out he's a basshead. I'm not a basshead at all. both phones were heavy on the bass, when he said they were in a class with much higher priced models. technically they both were pretty good, but the unrefined bass turned me off immediately. i like to hear the bass. refined. fast. reactive. resolving. I'm not a fan of FEELING the bass, unless i'm listening to hip hop, which is rarely (though it happens). There is a difference between HEAR and FEEL. I listen to metal and hard rock mostly, and if the bass is too intrusive, it will muddy the images, so if he says something is technically accurate and resolving, but lacks a bit of bass, then it's more likely got just the right amount of bass, and something i'd be interested in.

 

[Slater]

i've bit now on two earphones based on BGGAR'S reviews, and neither of them really sat near the top of my preferred list because it wasn't until a bit later i found out he's a basshead. I'm not a basshead at all. both phones were heavy on the bass, when he said they were in a class with much higher priced models. technically they both were pretty good, but the unrefined bass turned me off immediately.

That’s why it’s really imperative to find trusted people that have the same tastes - listen to the same type of music, like the same sound profile, etc.

Someone might be a great reviewer, but if they only listen to classical music then their opinions would not be meaningful to me personally, because it’s the polar opposite to what I’m looking for.

 

[FreeWheelinAudioLuv2]

That’s why it’s really imperative to find trusted people that have the same tastes - listen to the same type of music, like the same sound profile, etc.

Someone might be a great reviewer, but if they only listen to classical music then their opinions would not be meaningful to me personally, because it’s the polar opposite to what I’m looking for.

Agree 100%. Though in my case, it's hard to find reviewers who listen to my kind of music, which is like you , completely the opposite of classical music or hip hop, and more into heavier faster genres, that are not bass first (like industrial or EDM).

 

[JEHL]

That’s why it’s really imperative to find trusted people that have the same tastes - listen to the same type of music, like the same sound profile, etc.

Someone might be a great reviewer, but if they only listen to classical music then their opinions would not be meaningful to me personally, because it’s the polar opposite to what I’m looking for.

Also while at it, why buy based on one review? By the time I bought the BLON BL-03 myself, I read enough about it to fill a 500 page book. Although this could be considered paranoia at this point.

 

[FreeWheelinAudioLuv2]

Also while at it, why buy based on one review? By the time I bought the BLON BL-03 myself, I read enough about it to fill a 500 page book. Although this could be considered paranoia at this point.

well, when you got them, what did you think of them? did they live up to the review hype? did they surprise you? was it about what you thought from your reading?