Sep 3, 2010 at 11:05 PM Post #1,081 of 1,380
This has been an exercise in frustration. First, I realized that the SM3 really need to be EQ'd. Then, found that my iMod/xin source does not sound good with the EQ on. Then, I realize there is a physical filter inside that can be taken out... which is great, and indeed the highs are far more pronounced when the filters are out... but now the tonal balance is just awful and they're fatiguing. I guess my only option is to experiment by cramming different "stuff" in the tips as filters and trying to find the right thing to fix the sound? Like Edison? If these things cost $40, I think this would be fun. They didn't and it's definitely not. 
 
gary
 
Sep 4, 2010 at 12:31 AM Post #1,082 of 1,380
^ Are you talking about a Xin amp? I have a Supermicro IV and while it's overall a good amp, it definitely adds a touch of warmth. I haven't tried it with the SM3 while I had these, but I reckon a warmish phone like the SM3 and a warmish amp won't make for a good match.
 
As for "filter stuff" I'd recommend trying low density foam from earbud foampads or cotton from q-tips.
 
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This has been an exercise in frustration. First, I realized that the SM3 really need to be EQ'd. Then, found that my iMod/xin source does not sound good with the EQ on. Then, I realize there is a physical filter inside that can be taken out... which is great, and indeed the highs are far more pronounced when the filters are out... but now the tonal balance is just awful and they're fatiguing. I guess my only option is to experiment by cramming different "stuff" in the tips as filters and trying to find the right thing to fix the sound? Like Edison? If these things cost $40, I think this would be fun. They didn't and it's definitely not. 
 
gary

 
Sep 4, 2010 at 12:55 AM Post #1,083 of 1,380
So I've been reading about these things from day one but I stopped for a long while when I got my K702 setup. However being at the university, I think I'm going to sell the desktop setup (PB1 + K702 and purchase the SM3s to use with my phone.
 
I listen to all genres of music and I have heard about the amazing quality of the phones. Is it worth it? 
 
Sep 4, 2010 at 1:08 AM Post #1,084 of 1,380


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So I've been reading about these things from day one but I stopped for a long while when I got my K702 setup. However being at the university, I think I'm going to sell the desktop setup (PB1 + K702 and purchase the SM3s to use with my phone.
 
I listen to all genres of music and I have heard about the amazing quality of the phones. Is it worth it? 


It depends what you value, this phone sound great but build quality is not as good as other top tiers. I read they break often and made of plastic. For less $400 USD you can get a better quality earphones which sound similar and will last for life.
Ortofon e-Q7/e-Q5 are two of them, FX700/FX500 from JVC, CK100 form AT.
all those are cheaper too.
Which music/genre you like and what you want to spend is what will help you find the answer to your question.
 
Sep 4, 2010 at 1:16 AM Post #1,085 of 1,380


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So I've been reading about these things from day one but I stopped for a long while when I got my K702 setup. However being at the university, I think I'm going to sell the desktop setup (PB1 + K702 and purchase the SM3s to use with my phone.
 
I listen to all genres of music and I have heard about the amazing quality of the phones. Is it worth it? 

Read GaryAR's comment just a few posts up from yours.
A lot of people like them, a number of people don't, you should be sure you want the sound signature they offer. Keep in mind, they break easily and may not be a good iem for a student. 
 


 
 
Sep 4, 2010 at 1:22 AM Post #1,086 of 1,380
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 Keep in mind, they break easily and may not be a good iem for a student. 


I'm a 17 year old student and I use my SM3s every day. If they aren't in my ears they are in my jeans pocket or in their case thrown into my bag. I hardly baby them but I don't set out to break them either and they have been fine for me so far.
 
Sure they are plastic and can break if you miss-treat them. So what? Very few IEMs can withstand constant abuse if you are intentionally neglecting them.
 
Someone a few pages said something to this effect and I agree with them wholeheartedly.
"If you buy professional level gear, treat it like a professional"
 
Also GaryARs post is quite extreme in my opinion. "Really need to be EQ'd" is not a statement I have ever seen in relation to the SM3 before. Sure a slight tweek to the upper treble (I'm talking +~2db) is preferred by some, but many love the sound of their SM3 without any EQing. I personally add 2db to the 6Khz band and am loving it. Nothing else I have ever heard compares.
 
If you haven't already I suggest you read the following reviews. They helped me get a grasp on what I might be in for before I purchased them.
http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/494988/earsonics-sm3-a-thorough-review
http://www.touchmyapps.com/2010/06/24/earsonics-sm3-earphone-in-review/
http://anythingbutipod.com/2010/06/earsonics-sm3-review/
 
Sep 4, 2010 at 1:30 AM Post #1,088 of 1,380


Quote:
It depends what you value, this phone sound great but build quality is not as good as other top tiers. I read they break often and made of plastic. For less $400 USD you can get a better quality earphones which sound similar and will last for life.
Ortofon e-Q7/e-Q5 are two of them, FX700/FX500 from JVC, CK100 form AT.
all those are cheaper too.
Which music/genre you like and what you want to spend is what will help you find the answer to your question.





Quote:
Read GaryAR's comment just a few posts up from yours.
A lot of people like them, a number of people don't, you should be sure you want the sound signature they offer. Keep in mind, they break easily and may not be a good iem for a student. 
 


 


Oh I know what type of sig they have; I'm alright with that. I have had the UM3Xs and ER4Ss in the past along with the K702s now so I have a vague idea of what I'm getting. I'm going to mostly use them with classical, acoustic.... orchestral type of music. 
 
But they break easily? I know they have the plastic enclosure like the UM3Xs.... and I didn't have any problems with those....
 
Sep 4, 2010 at 1:34 AM Post #1,089 of 1,380


 
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Oh I know what type of sig they have; I'm alright with that. I have had the UM3Xs and ER4Ss in the past along with the K702s now so I have a vague idea of what I'm getting. I'm going to mostly use them with classical, acoustic.... orchestral type of music. 
 
But they break easily? I know they have the plastic enclosure like the UM3Xs.... and I didn't have any problems with those....



They break easily. A bunch of people have broken their SM3s. Ask Dweaver, he's the latest person. They broke in his jacket pocket.
 
Sep 4, 2010 at 1:35 AM Post #1,090 of 1,380
They do not break "easily". They break if you exert excessive force on them. Big difference.
 
Personally Young Spade, I think you would love them. When I borrowed a friends UMX3 and tested them against my SM3 - although both are very good - I preferred the SM3. 
The way they reproduce the sound as if it were all around you, the strong clean bass and attention to micro-details in music was something I just kept coming back to.
The one thing that continues to blow me away is the reproduction of Piano notes, I've honestly heard no other speaker, headphone or IEM reproduce Piano sounds in such a way. Amazing. 
 
Sep 4, 2010 at 1:53 AM Post #1,092 of 1,380

 
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Oh I know what type of sig they have; I'm alright with that. I have had the UM3Xs and ER4Ss in the past along with the K702s now so I have a vague idea of what I'm getting. I'm going to mostly use them with classical, acoustic.... orchestral type of music. 
 
But they break easily? I know they have the plastic enclosure like the UM3Xs.... and I didn't have any problems with those....


Hey mate, you listen to Classical and orchestral acoustic music, (just like myself) read the review and comparison thread of James444. he also listens to that genre a lot and owns all those IEMs.
 
After reading his review/comparison of 4 top $300-400 USD priced IEMs, I learned quite a lot.
http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/503801/review-impressions-of-the-final-audio-design-fi-ba-ss-versus-the-sm3-fx700-and-e-q7
 
 
Sep 4, 2010 at 4:23 AM Post #1,093 of 1,380
My pair have broken twice and while I did exert some force on them by accident it was not a lot, so I would classify these as pretty fragile since I have never broken an IEM before them. The nozzle is just a bit to fragile in my opinion. I am now deciding whether to warranty them or bite the bullet and have them made into custom shelled IEM's (which will eliminate the fragility aspect as well as give a very isolating IEM). I do have to say I have missed their sound since they broke and I have switched back to my Monster Turbine Pro Copper's so I still think they are sonically a very nice IEM.
 
Sep 4, 2010 at 4:58 AM Post #1,094 of 1,380
OK! I've got some new, guys!
 
A few minutes ago, I put the original filters back ,after listening to my SM3 with Head Direct filters jammed into the Sensorcom tips for a few hours.
There are a few interesting observations I'd like to share with you.
 
First:
Filters affects the sound like no other device. Equalizer can change the frequency response but not the presentation. Adding an amp can make the synergy better, i.e. adding a warm amp to a cold phone etc.
But none have the same effect as changing the filters!
 
What did I notice?
Hmm, lots of things. First, of course, the tonal balance is different. With the filters off, the sound is harsh, sibilant and really not so nice. The details are exceptional but really, nothing is refined.
With the foam Head Direct filter, the harshness goes away and a new sonic balance is struck. However, they do not sound like the stock filters at all. Bass is lesser, does not have the same impact and reach, lower mids are less forward, too. Uppers mids gain quite a bit of clarity and highs are brought forward. The SM3 sound more like a RE-252 (that's the only phone I have that sounds alike).
That's for the sonic balance. But it's only the first part of the story.
Yes, there is a dramatic change in presentation! I thought I noticed it when I was listening to my favourite tracks, and now I put the stock filters back, I confirm, and it's pretty obvious.
Many of you have noticed the "in the face" presentation of the SM3. Well, with the foam filters, there is much more air in the music! As incredible as it may sound, it's true. The filters tailor the sound AND the presentation.
What's the explanation to this phenomenon? I'm not quite sure. Probably, as the volume is louder (than with stock filters), and some freq brought forward, the brain interprets the space cues differently. Sorry, but really, I have not much clue
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What's my reaction?
Well, as you may have noticed, my first reaction was excitement. Of course, being able to change to sound so much just replacing the filters is quite amazing.
With the foam filters, there is something more balanced about the sound. But without being really able to explain it, the sound lost all its magic! Everything is dry and lifeless. Today, as I put the stock filters back, I was like "Ahh, yeah, that's the stuff'!
It's really obvious that Earsonics made a huge research concerning the filters they wanted to use. Without them, the SM3 sounds nothing like an SM3!
Now, I'm listening to the stock filters, and I can attest that the sound has so much more power, life, "feeling", soul (I'm running out of words). It's much sweeter, smoother, yet retains much more emotion...
So, after a short experimenting trip, I'm definitely back to the original, magic Earsonics sound. I have to be in love with it!
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@Raff012: That's really strange! You should clearly see the green filters in the sound tube. Now, did you buy the SM3 new or second hand?
I can only wholeheartedly recommend you to contact Earsonics so they can send you a pair of filters. You can put them easily in the sound tube yourself.
But you really need those to enjoy the fantastic, magic SM3 sound! (Sorry if I sound like a fanboy, but right now, I'm listening to them with the stock filters, and geeze, I love this sound!).
 
Sep 4, 2010 at 5:04 AM Post #1,095 of 1,380
I think itsunfair to say these brake easily - people are rightly going to post when they are broke, but there are maybe 000's that haven't and we obviously won't hear from them
 
They are made from plastic but there aren't many that aren't
 
I have had for a month nearly, and not had any concerns over the build quality.
 
 

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