Cable induced "treble etch". My worst nightmare.......
They make a salve for that.
Cable induced "treble etch". My worst nightmare.......
Here's another example of an overactive audiophile imagination at work. I fail to understand how people actually believe they are hearing this. I don't think for the most part that they are purposefully imagining this.Or at least I hope not. But challenge this and they attack like a pack of dogs. I feel sorry for the innocent newbie that is easily influenced due to naivety and mob based suggestion.
http://www.head-fi.org/t/711824/hifiman-he-560-impressions-discussion-thread/13065#post_11609354
Just realized while reading that that Draug spelled backwards is Guard.
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The forums are full of those sorts of descriptions. What's amazing is how many there are and how it is perfectly accepted with cans and IEMs in particular that you have to find the right $500 or $1000 cable for your $300 can. There are some pretty good marketers out there.
It is impossible to have a discussion with these people. I don't want to back over 400 pages but I'm sure it's been discussed dozens of times. Is there a good article or link that objectively discusses why wires aren't circuits that we can refer them to? Will they read it? Good question.
When I made my long post a couple of days ago I mentioned how buying into commonly held beliefs is part of neo-tribal behavior. It's worse than that. One can hold such beliefs in spite of clear evidence that they are not true. In fact, it is a defining characteristic of the tribe that people believe things that are clearly not true. It is almost like a test of your sincerity.
Question. Are some of these people hearing real differences caused for example by placing the cans in a different position or sitting in a slightly different position or something like that or are they all just imagining that wires can act like complex filter circuits?
Sounds like a Beatle thing, backwards satanic messges. I heard that David Carradine was found hanging in a closet in Bangkok using one of those cables. Now that was a serious case of Treble Etch. :veryevil:
Hehehe.
Just got off the phone with Trevor over at Norne. Was telling him about the Draug/Guard thing. He was joking saying maybe he should do a cable called Guard. And then it hit me. I said he should do a variation and call it Guard Draug. It's both a pun and a palindrome! Genius!
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Now that's what I call marketing genius. I actually got asked to code a palindrome detection routine in a job interview.
Attack the idea, not the person. Unfortunately, some people confuse the two and take offense, while others misunderstand the two and attack the person.
What is your field of study? You must be an acoustic or electrical engineer, yes? It would be hilarious if you weren't.
Actually, I'm a producer in the entertainment business. I work with both creative and technical folks.
True. It's impossible sometimes for it not to be perceived as personal, though, when it comes to discussing subjectivist vs objectivist views on audio. In the sense that individual subjectivist views are sometimes based on a belief in one's own infallibility at observation, and using inductive reasoning, someone may have built up a set of personal theories about audio. Objectivism often requires that one confront one's own potential for fallibility, and in doing so, will often take down those theories like the house of cards that they are.
Note that I said "sometimes" above because I do not want to imply that all people take objectivist criticism personally. I also don't want to imply that people arguing objectivist positions don't get cranky when their beliefs are challenged. But I do think objectivist criticism can be more likely to be a perceived attack on one one's ego, and also the person may be subconsciously conflicted with the paradigm shift of objectivist thinking. When we face internal conflicts within ourselves which creates doubt, we often redirect that discomfort and lash out. If someone feels themselves to be a reasonable and logical person, it's sometimes hard to come to terms with the idea that their reason might be failing them.
So conversations about audio ideas and beliefs and where they come from will definitely get heated sometimes. That's why it's important to try to not cross the line from making it about audio beliefs and ideas and to making it about the person. That will escalate the discussion to making it more personal, and of course it's off topic. The topic of this forum is not about other individual posters. It's about audio science.
Ha! The biggest complement I got on that was a big cartoon fan who said, "I never even realized that it was a different person doing the voice... it was just Yogi." It's nice to be anonymous!