Nov 24, 2020 at 10:47 PM Post #2,206 of 9,265
and if someone wants to analyze his songs, but have many songs in a single folder, sensme channel will create each folder for each artist, creating a bunch of useless folders.
if anyone needs to remedy this boredom, I have a little tutorial via prompts to merge multiple files in different folders into one folder, both have the ability to both copy and move them
I don;t use music centre to transfer the songs. I transfer them directly to the walkman from my computer after updating the sense me info. It doesn’t add any extra folder or anything if you do it this way. Don’t use music centre to transfer your files into the walkman.
 
Nov 25, 2020 at 6:41 AM Post #2,207 of 9,265
I can tell you 100% that those are just volume tables. I'm also hearing changes to the sound signature depending on the region.

For example, the J region sounds the most balanced of all, and its value is 0x00000000. Other regions have different values. For example, CN is 0x00000004, while MX3 (LA in the firmware itself) is 0x00000306, and these values are used when initializing the DAC. There are some additional regions in the destination tool that are not "coded" in the firmware for these newer devices anymore, yet they still produce changes. While using one of these other regions, the firmware will default to the J region, while the changes in sound are still there, as the region's value is used when initializing the DAC.

I am certain that my hearing is really good, and the changes in the sound are 100% there. Without trying to brag, my ears are really trained from some years of experience as a choir singer, even participating in some out of country competitions - my point with this is that it was not just some small/unprofessional thing.

So the fact that the region's value is used to initialize the DAC, with the other fact that the guy who developed the destination tool confirmed that he noticed different settings in the sound driver when doing reverse engineering, plus the fact that I can actually hear changes, leads me to a pretty strong conclusion that there is no placebo effect.

Of course, these are only some facts, and my experience, so it's fine if you don't agree with me.

Cheers.


Fair enough, with all due respect, I don't trust my own ears, and while you may be correct, the DAC being a black box of its own, the only way to know for sure is to take actual measurements (even the drivers won't tell you anything that happens in the logic of the s-master DAC itself after all)

This is eventually what I did yesterday, I dusted off my Mayflower ARC, connected my NW-ZX300 (set to E destination) to the mic/line in of the ARC, fired up audacity and captured multiple samples of 2 specific FLAC tracks, one at 24bit/192khz (for all HI-Res purists out there) and one at 16bit 44Khz, I captured 5 different samples for each of the two tracks, then set the destination to J, rebooted (power off, power on, let the database rebuild...), captured 5 other samples for each of the exact same tracks. Made sure the time code matches on all samples, and compared.

Lo and Behold, besides few anomalies in the high frequency range (well outside of the audible spectrum, not sure if it was due to interferences, capturing equipment or whatnot, it is irrelevant in this context anyway), the curves, when compared from destination E to destination J, were as identical as I'd expect.

So while there were a caveats in this rough exercise, (for example, I don't have the equipment to capture anything from the balanced output, and I forgot to capture samples from a DSD track), I can conclude the following:

- Destination E and J use the same sound profile/signature, with a perfect match (at least in the audible spectrum and with my current equipment) on all curves.

- I did not test any other destinations, I am unaware of possible differences there, perhaps there are, I would rather not make assumptions or uneducated guesses.

- This exercise is easy enough to reproduce by anyone with a line in and audacity (and a walkman) and assess their own results.
(though I would suggest using an external DAC if possible to avoid EMIs), the equipment required for this is inexpensive.

- I cannot verify if there are variations on the 4.4mm output as the equipment required to capture from a balanced output is somewhat expensive and I was unwilling to purchase it for the sake of this experiment, you would be able to use a (low end, inexpensive) scope and wire it to the 4.4mm output should you wish to perform a differential analysis there.

- This is not someone using subjective measurements such as hearing, this is done using samples taken through (affordable) audio equipment.
 
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Nov 25, 2020 at 6:59 AM Post #2,208 of 9,265
Fair enough, with all due respect, I don't trust my own ears, and while you may be correct, the DAC being a black box of its own, the only way to know for sure is to take actual measurements (even the drivers won't tell you anything that happens in the logic of the s-master DAC itself after all)

This is eventually what I did yesterday, I dusted off my Mayflower ARC, connected my NW-ZX300 (set to E destination) to the mic/line in of the ARC, fired up audacity and captured multiple samples of 2 specific FLAC tracks, one at 24bit/192khz (for all HI-Res purists out there) and one at 16bit 44Khz, I captured 5 different samples for each of the two tracks, then set the destination to J, rebooted (power off, power on, let the database rebuild...), captured 5 other samples for each of the exact same tracks. Made sure the time code matches on all samples, and compared.

Lo and Behold, besides few anomalies in the high frequency range (well outside of the audible spectrum, not sure if it was due to interferences, capturing equipment or whatnot, it is irrelevant in this context anyway), the curves, when compared from destination E to destination J, were as identical as I'd expect.

So while there were a caveats in this rough exercise, (for example, I don't have the equipment to capture anything from the balanced output, and I forgot to capture samples from a DSD track), I can conclude the following:

- Destination E and J use the same sound profile/signature, with a perfect match (at least in the audible spectrum and with my current equipment) on all curves.

- I did not test any other destinations, I am unaware of possible differences there, perhaps there are, I would rather not make assumptions or uneducated guesses.

- This exercise is easy enough to reproduce by anyone with a line in and audacity (and a walkman) and assess their own results.
(though I would suggest using an external DAC if possible to avoid EMIs), the equipment required for this is inexpensive.

- I cannot verify if there are variations on the 4.4mm output as the equipment required to capture from a balanced output is somewhat expensive and I was unwilling to purchase it for the sake of this experiment, you would be able to use a (low end, inexpensive) scope and wire it to the 4.4mm output should you wish to perform a differential analysis there.

- This is not someone using subjective measurements such as hearing, this is done using samples taken through (affordable) audio equipment.

I always thought, how do you measure more subtle things, like soundstage, for example?

I could also use the line in of my computer for example, but I'm not entirely sure if just the audio curve in Audacity is enough to measure these differences, nor I trust the quality of the line in connection on my computer to be honest.

I'll have to do more research myself, but I didn't really feel the need to pursue this, as the differences are always consistent.

For example, I once set the region to U before doing a factory reset, and then I forgot to switch it back to J. I started listening to music after some time, and something didn't sound like I knew - until I noticed that there is no Remote control icon, which is a hint that you are not using the E or J region.
 
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Nov 25, 2020 at 8:23 AM Post #2,209 of 9,265
IMHO MrWalkman and some people here are being too nice to the nerd, I had enough and put him to the ignore list (the first time I use this function since I joined the forum 14 years ago), the derail should stop and let us move on...
 
Nov 25, 2020 at 12:14 PM Post #2,210 of 9,265
IMHO MrWalkman and some people here are being too nice to the nerd, I had enough and put him to the ignore list (the first time I use this function since I joined the forum 14 years ago), the derail should stop and let us move on...

Just curious what exactly are you offended about? Somebody demonstrating that you might be wrong in your assessment of the sound of different region settings? I’m not sure I can trust any opinions in this forum if people shut down opinions they don’t like especially when they’ve taken the trouble to attempt to scientifically prove their assertions.
 
Nov 25, 2020 at 12:37 PM Post #2,212 of 9,265
Just curious what exactly are you offended about? Somebody demonstrating that you might be wrong in your assessment of the sound of different region settings? I’m not sure I can trust any opinions in this forum if people shut down opinions they don’t like especially when they’ve taken the trouble to attempt to scientifically prove their assertions.

Claiming that he is right and everybody else is wrong and deluding themselves when they say they clearly hear differences. And he is not scientifically proving anything, just saying that from trying to reverse engineer the fw he has not been able to find anything that could explain differences.

A bit like Tyll’s Z1R review stating that anybody who could like that headphone don’t know how to listen.

I’m pretty sure I remember somebody in the old main WM1 thread several years ago posting charts and measurements showing that there were differences between the regions
 
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Nov 25, 2020 at 12:45 PM Post #2,213 of 9,265
It’s back from the dead and sounding absolutely fantastic with the FE fw and @Nayparm latest hw mod

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Nov 25, 2020 at 12:50 PM Post #2,214 of 9,265
Nov 25, 2020 at 2:49 PM Post #2,215 of 9,265
Fair enough, with all due respect, I don't trust my own ears, and while you may be correct, the DAC being a black box of its own, the only way to know for sure is to take actual measurements (even the drivers won't tell you anything that happens in the logic of the s-master DAC itself after all)

This is eventually what I did yesterday, I dusted off my Mayflower ARC, connected my NW-ZX300 (set to E destination) to the mic/line in of the ARC, fired up audacity and captured multiple samples of 2 specific FLAC tracks, one at 24bit/192khz (for all HI-Res purists out there) and one at 16bit 44Khz, I captured 5 different samples for each of the two tracks, then set the destination to J, rebooted (power off, power on, let the database rebuild...), captured 5 other samples for each of the exact same tracks. Made sure the time code matches on all samples, and compared.

Lo and Behold, besides few anomalies in the high frequency range (well outside of the audible spectrum, not sure if it was due to interferences, capturing equipment or whatnot, it is irrelevant in this context anyway), the curves, when compared from destination E to destination J, were as identical as I'd expect.

So while there were a caveats in this rough exercise, (for example, I don't have the equipment to capture anything from the balanced output, and I forgot to capture samples from a DSD track), I can conclude the following:

- Destination E and J use the same sound profile/signature, with a perfect match (at least in the audible spectrum and with my current equipment) on all curves.

- I did not test any other destinations, I am unaware of possible differences there, perhaps there are, I would rather not make assumptions or uneducated guesses.

- This exercise is easy enough to reproduce by anyone with a line in and audacity (and a walkman) and assess their own results.
(though I would suggest using an external DAC if possible to avoid EMIs), the equipment required for this is inexpensive.

- I cannot verify if there are variations on the 4.4mm output as the equipment required to capture from a balanced output is somewhat expensive and I was unwilling to purchase it for the sake of this experiment, you would be able to use a (low end, inexpensive) scope and wire it to the 4.4mm output should you wish to perform a differential analysis there.

- This is not someone using subjective measurements such as hearing, this is done using samples taken through (affordable) audio equipment.
Friend there are many diferences between regions E and J are the more alike each other Try CN and then co CA you will notice several diferences between them then go TW and tell me if bass sounds the same... 1A and 1Z exibit mroe character on them than other sony daps also but you can even identify them on a Zx100
 
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Nov 25, 2020 at 8:16 PM Post #2,217 of 9,265
It’s back from the dead and sounding absolutely fantastic with the FE fw and @Nayparm latest hw mod

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I wasn't particularly interested in HW mods....but 4100mah? I mean, that is.....HUGE.
 
Nov 25, 2020 at 9:56 PM Post #2,218 of 9,265
Friend there are many diferences between regions E and J are the more alike each other Try CN and then co CA you will notice several diferences between them then go TW and tell me if bass sounds the same... 1A and 1Z exibit mroe character on them than other sony daps also but you can even identify them on a Zx100
Heck i'm on a lowly A35 and the differences are clear.
 
Nov 26, 2020 at 1:20 AM Post #2,219 of 9,265
Destination E and J use the same sound profile/signature, with a perfect match (at least in the audible spectrum and with my current equipment) on all curves.

Are you making measurements from a software to chart out the frequencies? If so, I’d like to see what the curve looks like. Can you post pics...

I've tried to search the internet about the tunings to these walkmans but I think Sony puts the kibosh on that!
 

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