[Inks]

here's the EX800STs compared to the EX1000s and the EX600s compared to both the 800s and 1000s here. 

 

[Anaxilus]

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here's the EX800STs compared to the EX1000s and the EX600s compared to both the 800s and 1000s here. 

Thx.  The 800/7550 does seem to do the trick if graphs are enough to go by.
 
However, at that price the FX700 reemerges as an alternative consideration.
 

 

[Inks]

 
Originally Posted by kiteki /img/forum/go_quote.gif
 
Let's not forget the graph of the EX700 that looks the same as the others and yet a lot of people hate it.
 
Seems like driver material and housing material play a significant role in sound signature that we can't see in an FR graph.

It does look similar, but if you read if correctly, it has by far the worst 6k implementation that does seem to make it quite harsh. You have to look at what comes before and after in addition to the spike. 
 
To note, the EX800st are reported to sound different with the EX600/1000 cable because the stock one is a non-ofc cable. The response changes and the soundstage is deeper which I'm assuming will be greater dynamic range. Makes sense, as most monitors are purposely compressed in dynamic range ime. 
 
@ Anax, the 7550s are 260$ at B&H while the FX700s will be about ~340$
 
 

 

[music_4321]

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Why not EX800st/EX7550s for those purposes? From what I could read from graphs, they have more bass than the EX600, closer to the EX1000s. Very similar midrange without as much of a  3-5k dip compared to the EX600s and a smoother treble than the other 2. 

The EX800ST is actually not sold as EX7550 but MDR7550 or MDR-7550

 

[Inks]

yup that was a typo. But it is useful to emphasize that those are simply called mdr7550, no ex in the name included. 

 

[music_4321]

^ Also worth noting is that the MDR-7550 cable is 1.6m (64"), which is 40cm (8") longer than the EX1000/EX600 cables.
 
EDIT: 40cm is 16" not 8".

 

[Inks]

Yup and non-ofc. But I do like the case that's included a lot more than the huge leather one on the EX600/EX1000. I'm going to hold off on the 7550/800st for a bit, but I will eventually get to it. Would be interesting to note how it compares to the EX600 and the sonic changes of swapping cables. 

 

[kiteki]

 
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On another note, yesterday I got my W4 back after quite some time and was honestly a bit shocked by how "small" they sounded in comparison to the EX600. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about their soundstage and I could easily tell that they're technically even more proficient than the Sonys, but... err, I hate to say it, they just sounded a bit like a poodle next to a full grown St. Bernard in comparison.  Seems like I've been spoilt by a pair of €150 IEMs that are simply downright fun to listen to
 

 
Thanks james, crossing W4 off the list now Lol.

 

[kiteki]

 
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It does look similar, but if you read if correctly, it has by far the worst 6k implementation that does seem to make it quite harsh. You have to look at what comes before and after in addition to the spike. 
 
@ Anax, the 7550s are 260$ at B&H while the FX700s will be about ~340$
 

I see, I'll have to look at the graphs again to see what you mean, last time this discussion came up someone overlapped the graphs in photoshop or something and the EX1000 had a higher peak than the EX700, and joker passed by and commented "not sure about this one" Lol, and now that some time has passed since then and people are listening to the EX600 and EX1000 there are no complaints of the EX700 nature that were initially expected.
 
 
 
 

 

[Inks]

The graphs should be read with a holistic approach. The EX1000's main spike is actually at 5.5k, while the EX700s is at exactly 6k. But the EX700s bigger dips on the upper-mids will accentuate that spike more than the EX1000s 5.5k spike. The response is actually the same at 6k, but once again, the EX1000s transfer more of that energy  to the upper mids. 
 
 

 

[kiteki]

It looks like they have all been evenly matched at 1kHz where we are most sensitive to hearing I think.
 
Unless you are talking about decreasing the volume of the EX1K by 5dB or so to more holistically match the 6khz and 9khz peaks then I'm not sure I follow, that would also give the EX700 6dB louder bass all the way down to 20Hz (which might be the case) and a spike at 9kHz in contrast, but looking at the graph above it simply looks like the EX1000 is the harsher one..!
 
I can't find any comments from sonove, but he did write this:

Spoiler: sonove.angry.jp

 
 
 
"I see at least two resonances.

（1st、2nd）​

(1st, 2nd)
The first is around 2kHz, Qts = 0.1 resonance is about a relatively small,
The second resonance around 5.6kHz can be seen quite sharp.
5.6kHz peak even when disengaged from what's happening,
Sharp peak around 5.6kHz sound pressure of the graph [1] is not due to air column resonance in the coupler,
MDR-suspect those caused by driver and housing EX1000.

What makes sense even if the sharp peak at 5.6kHz this, personally I think is a nice feature, I feel like such a pretty sound now!
I somehow wonder that the equalizer?

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· · ·"
 
 

 

 

[kiteki]

I can't wait to get my ER-4P !!

 

[Inks]

The dips in the upper mids have to do with how that 6k spike is so apparent on the FX700s. The peak at 5.6K in the EX1000s will give it a lot of "crunch" that's complemented with how it graphs right before it. Not talking about compensating by decreasing db and yes they are matched at 1k. 
 
Is he saying he likes the peak?

It looks like they have all been evenly matched at 1kHz where we are most sensitive to hearing I think.
 
Unless you are talking about decreasing the volume of the EX1K by 5dB or so to more holistically match the 6khz and 9khz peaks then I'm not sure I follow, that would also give the EX700 6dB louder bass all the way down to 20Hz (which might be the case) and a spike at 9kHz in contrast, but looking at the graph above it simply looks like the EX1000 is the harsher one..!
 
I can't find any comments from sonove, but he did write this:

Spoiler: sonove.angry.jp

 
 
 
"I see at least two resonances.

（1st、2nd）​

(1st, 2nd)
The first is around 2kHz, Qts = 0.1 resonance is about a relatively small,
The second resonance around 5.6kHz can be seen quite sharp.
5.6kHz peak even when disengaged from what's happening,
Sharp peak around 5.6kHz sound pressure of the graph [1] is not due to air column resonance in the coupler,
MDR-suspect those caused by driver and housing EX1000.

What makes sense even if the sharp peak at 5.6kHz this, personally I think is a nice feature, I feel like such a pretty sound now!
I somehow wonder that the equalizer?

・・・​

· · ·"
 
 

 

 

 

[shotgunshane]

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On another note, yesterday I got my W4 back after quite some time and was honestly a bit shocked by how "small" they sounded in comparison to the EX600. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about their soundstage and I could easily tell that they're technically even more proficient than the Sonys, but... err, I hate to say it, they just sounded a bit like a poodle next to a full grown St. Bernard in comparison.

  Seems like I've been spoilt by a pair of €150 IEMs that are simply downright fun to listen to - not in the audiophile and rather derogatory sense of the word (since they're actually quite balanced). More like fun, as in feeling genuinely happy and content just to lean back and let them do their thing.

James, you should hear the W4's with a digiZoid zo attached.  It really puts those dual bass drivers to good work.  Dfkt has written a really good review on the zo.
 

 

[kiteki]

@Inks, yeah I think sonove is saying he's come to realise the 5.6kHz peak is a "pretty sound" in the EX1k.
 
I'm trying to figure this all out, I can't seem to correct the harshness of the EX700 using the equalizer, it's still there no matter how much I flatten the 6kHz/9kHz regions ... boosting the upper-mids does sound surprisingly good though!
 
-shrug-
 
/kiteki