Orthodynamic Roundup
Mar 3, 2022 at 11:35 AM Post #26,776 of 27,158
Mod3:
- same amount of felt
- covered over cup vents with a layer of micropore tape, including covering air leak around headband joint
Measurements coming up.

(Mod4 will be with stand-off screws to open up cups more. Parts will arrive later today. )
 

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Mar 3, 2022 at 12:02 PM Post #26,777 of 27,158
Not a huge difference between mod3 and mod2. Maybe a little improvement.
- Subjectively with EQ (Loki 2k@7) using my test playlist, I am not sensing fatigue / pierce. I'll listen for an hour to some albums and report back.

EDIT: Listened for an hour and became fatigued. But in this case it was the bass that was the problem, like a pressurization effect. Mod2 did not have this issue. Perhaps an open vent would help.

Yamaha YH2 doesnt have this problem with similar mods Im guessing because smaller driver.
 

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Mar 4, 2022 at 1:17 PM Post #26,778 of 27,158
Not only that but I might call "mod3" a little overdamped. Not really sure because it could just be the overall tonal balance especially with the boost in upper mids which might be changing my overall volume listening levels just a little bit.

Ive listened to a couple bassy electronic albums with "mod2" (and EQ) this morning. No problems with fatigue.

With EQ, I might put YH-1 ahead of YH-2 due to the larger driver's bass. Without EQ, YH-2 easily.

Stand-off screws arrived yesterday but they were a half-size too wide diameter, so ordered a half-size down which should arrive tomorrow. In meantime I'm thinking about front wave options (pads)... but definitely saving for last. I already have a few pads on hand that should fit.
 
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Mar 6, 2022 at 4:02 PM Post #26,779 of 27,158
U70's also sound less sibilant undamped. I started out damping them, one layer of Arctic Cotton, they were originally just stock black screens on front and back which should at least be attempting acoustical transparency. So added damping, sounded sibilant, so I decided to remove damping and also remove stock black screens on reverse of the drivers. Sounded better. I decided to remove stock black screens on the FRONT of the drivers. They sound more detailed now I think. I need to get YH-1's back from my friend, but U70's sound maybe on par with YH-1's now. I think their blurriness was from the screens, they sound good to me right now. Who knows, maybe YH-1's will surprise still, though, and be ahead by a smidge.

Mundorf Supreme solder received, 1.5 hours later YH-100's recabled with Acrolink 8-core silver plated OCC copper litz braid. I agree with my friend on silver plated occ, it sounds warmer than stock cable. Smoother too? Just as detailed but instruments that used to almost have a grain to them are completely smoothed over to my ears. I wouldn't have called YH-100's screechy before, but Acrolink cable sounds less peaky and less screechy to my ears, not as hot on more than one song with completely different sounds. I swapped from Chinese pads back to Brainwavz thinking the warmer Acrolink cable plays better with Brainwavz, and it is flatter, I didn't hear midrange glare anymore, but there is tiniest hint of higher register "ssss" range glare so I swapped back to Chinese pads. Decided against this move and just redamped drivers and kept Brainwavz pads.

At first I thought treble had less bite and bass was more breathy and less syrupy which in both instances I did not like. Now I'm not even sure what I was talking about, I sort of forget what they used to sound like, been getting into the groove of the new cable. It highlights different aspects of the music, Idk, almost like a different headphone now. Takes getting used to, but they are still nice, maybe even more refined. Here is a new measurement of them:

Blue is the recable with Brainwavz pads and two layers of rear damping (I now have a single donut layer of damping but measures very similarly), Red is stock cable with Chinese pads and no rear damping.

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Listening to Amber Rubarth - Sessions from the 17th Ward, YH-100's place her more naturally in front of me than HP-1A's, imho, they have more cohesive center image. But in random tracks like electroswing HP-1A's had like room acoustics and microphone grain that I remember from YH-100's which seems to be missing from YH-100's now, Idk if this is literally like distortion artifacts from the cable or embellishment in what's there??? Listening to Back To The Future soundtrack and instruments sound way more realistic on YH-100's now. There's echoes in Amber Rubarth - Strive that are easier to make out in HP-1A's, I feel, though. It's like midrange takes a step backwards with Acrolink cable, somehow it's more detailed at times, yet low level signals get swallowed up or something, there's like less dynamic range. But then other times YH-100's sound nutso realistic, like moreso than before, could even be a spatial queue or instrument texture, or they just cut deeper into recording than HP-1A's... Idrk, it's like they are different headphones now. Not sure I am completely happy. I was actually listening to Encanto - We Don't Talk About Bruno. I remember thinking this song sounded bland and boring on YH-100's with stock cable, like overly studio'ed and just dynamically compressed, but today with Acrolink cable it sort of came alive, was hearing lots of little things I wasn't before, spatial queues included, it breathed life into the image coloring = more vibrant.

This new cable has microphonics... I'll shift in my chair and the cable rubs on my sweatshirt and creates a fabric vibrational noise throughout earcups during quiet passages. Aye yi yi.

Wow, YH-100's sound really great with perfectly flat EQ now. Brightness seems gone. Bass might be fuller on it's own without bass boost, bass boost sounds a little muddled now, I haven't really been using much bass boost.

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I think recable is overall upgrade now comparing to HP-1A, maybe the microphone grain I heard was actually weird cable distortion, HP-1A's sound less realistic which can maybe accentuate certain things which might lend an interesting perspective to the music, but it's not technically "right" maybe. I believe soundstaging is better with recable.

Here is a photo I took, maybe interesting. There are the two separate 4-core braids I made after de-braiding ~1.5' for y-split. Oddly enough, I soldered everything 100% sound and when I did a stereo left-right test they were reversed... I can only deduce the plug is made opposite to every plug I've ever encountered, I just swapped signal wires at the plug and everything is peachy... Okay maybe I messed up designating signal wires on plug side, but whatever...
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Mar 10, 2022 at 12:19 PM Post #26,780 of 27,158
Hole mods for friend.

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- I added back the same materials used in "mod2" on the previous page.
- Some weird distortion. Compare to "mod2", "open back", and "open back micropore". Human error or something else?
- Subjectively, with eq (Loki 2k@7), sounds better than ever. Slightly clearer (more depth) I imagine from adding holes / openness. Bass hits a little harder than i recall from previous mods, or maybe placebo.
- Theories: a) less damped driver equals increased excursion and increased bass attack with longer decay (opposite of overdamped), b) stock cup volume is too small so opening up the cups improves bass extension and lessens muddying reverb.
- Conclusion: With eq YH1 > YH2 due to YH1's bigger driver bass. Without eq YH2 > YH1 due to YH1 sounding too off (too much upper mids).
- All in all, I really like YH-1 and it has caused my interest in Grado RS2x to wilt.

I'll add more damping for next attempt.

edit: measurements at 100db
 

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Mar 12, 2022 at 1:20 PM Post #26,781 of 27,158
^ I need to investigate why the big increase in distortion. One theory is that I messed up the driver when I drilled holes into the cups and perhaps some of that plastic dust worked it's way into the driver. I thought I was careful but maybe not. (yes, the driver was not in the cups at time of drilling, and i brushed the cups of debris after drilling).

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I worked on a 2nd YH-1 this morning. I drilled even bigger holes, brb with pic. And I put in more damping felt than in the previous YH-1 (seen above). I used a combination of craft felt (part wool + rayon) and 100% wool felt. Haven't listened yet.
 

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Mar 23, 2022 at 5:25 PM Post #26,782 of 27,158
Some pics of some headphone mods Ive been working on.
- YH1 x2
- YH2 (with an assortment of aftermarket
pads, see Beat EP pads attached below)
- and a Symphones v9

YH100 incoming.

P.S. Attempting pad replacements for YH2 since I accidentally tore the stock set and it caused a loss in seal.

Brief comparison: YH1 is more capable especially in bass. YH1 doesnt have as nice tone as YH2. YH2 has a small soundstage advantage over YH1 (see pics of drivers and pads and you can make some guesses as to why). Overall, YH1 is better than YH2 when eq is used otherwise YH2 is preferable.

Purchased a YH100 because it is currently the easiest and cheapest way to get an anisotropic Yamaha driver.
 

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Mar 24, 2022 at 12:40 PM Post #26,783 of 27,158
Beats EP pads on YH2 were interesting. They added a lot more feeling of bass but at the same time increased bass bloom which in combination with increased driver distance made the YH2 sound less detailed. These impressions were with EQ to address the change in tone to reduce variables and make listenable.

I then tried stock style pads (see attachment). Unfortunately the inner diameter hole is smaller than stock and obscures some of the driver (not good). The stock pad inner diameter is 1.5”, the inner diameter on these white (looks cool against brown) aftermarket pads is only 1”.

I have another set of stock style pads arriving today that do appear to have the proper 1.5” inner diameter. Will update later.

EDIT:
- The Beats EP pads it turns out has a pretty dense screen mesh (a layer of foam and a layer of cloth). Removing this screen brings back a bunch of the lost detail (or treble) and possibly reduced some of the bloom (or its less noticeable).
- The second set of stock style pads that arrived today also have a smaller 1" inner diameter. The Amazon pic looked different. dang
- Well, between the pads the Beats EP is most interesting.
 

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Mar 25, 2022 at 9:03 PM Post #26,785 of 27,158
Yamaha YH-100 stock measurements on fpc.

Subjectively, has the most and best bass of the Yamahas I've tried which means its the best Yamaha. 2kHz resonance is also the worst but EQ is mitigating nicely. YH100 is also probably the most detailed of the Yamahas I've tried (impression is while 2kHz reduction eq is applied).

I will try measuring without cups tomorrow to see if enclosure is totally responsible for 2kHz resonance.
 

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Mar 26, 2022 at 12:41 PM Post #26,786 of 27,158
Im slow on updating YH100 with enclosureless measurements because I am just enjoying listening before I do teardown. An eq filter at 2kHz and 8kHz makes these headphones soo good.

Soo good that I ordered a 2nd pair (as backup and for driver transplant experiments) and am selling my YH1 + YH2.

khbaur is going to loan me his YH100. His is driver transplanted to something with larger cups. I suspect it’ll be the right stuff for curing 2kHz resonance.

Cupless measurements hopefully today. Then attempts at improving resonance issues by trying different damping.
 
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Mar 26, 2022 at 7:17 PM Post #26,789 of 27,158
CSD still rather high at 2kHz, driver resonance? Lets see what happens when I add some acoustic impedance via micropore tape...
 

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Mar 26, 2022 at 7:21 PM Post #26,790 of 27,158
Slightly louder environment since air conditioning came on, sorry. But I think you can still see a trend in D3 distortion when placing dense material so close to the driver. Im guessing reflection and subjectively correlates with less blackground.

2kHz is controlled with damping sort of. However what happens when we shove the driver back in cups with micropore tape still applied? Im guessing 2kHz comes back (just not as hard) due to cup resonance.

edit: Graphs fixed!
 

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