[cuiter23]

   
 
I would strongly advise you to do so
 
1) I don't know how they were cut, if too much material was cut off then they are useless
 
2) You could attempt to use them, but if the fit is poor, then u will need new impressions, and pay shipping fees over again
 
The odds are high, if you do not get new impressions, you will be spending well over 100$ in the long term in order to rectify the situation
 
 
 
 

 
Gotcha! Looks like I'll have fresh impressions made
 
Thanks again!

 

[steffi]

Can anybody tell me why the pictures of universals sometimes show silver vs gold screws?
Is silver an option on Noble 4?

 

[Somphon]

  Alright guys, I need some help. I'm wondering if I may need a refit on my K10s. They are my first pair of customs, so I have nothing similar to compare them to. It sounds to me like the left earphone doesn't seal quite as well as the right. What I think I'm hearing is that music on the right side of my head seems more "present" compared to the left side, almost like there are less instruments on the left side of the soundstage. And then there's the bass. After new toy syndrome wore off, I was actually pretty disappointed with the bass presence, but this was coming straight out of my iPhone. It just sounded thin to me. I tried adding a Fiio Mont Blanc amp and that helped a great deal to improve the sound, especially with adding bass presence, but I'm still not sure I'm getting a full image from left to right. Just seems to lack that  "atmosphere" that I got from my 535s. The resolution is great, but I can't sense the space of the room, if that makes any sense. Still, I'm concerned that I'm imagining all this out of paranoia. Maybe I just need a better amp to get the atmosphere I'm looking for. 
 
A couple of other things. When I insert the earphones, I feel more pressure on the right side. Not uncomfortable, but it just feels like it's plugging up the ear better. When I remove the right earphone, I can sorta feel the suction/seal breaking. Alternatively, the left side is more comfortable, but I don't get that feeling of the seal breaking when I remove it. I also notice that the left side sticks out farther from my ear, while the right side sits more flush. From a anatomical standpoint, I know my left canal is narrower than my right, so could the ear/canal shape being different account for the extra protrusion? I can post pictures if it would be relevant.
 
Sorry for the long post! Any help/advice would be appreciated. 

 
I had the exact same issue. Right side is tightly fit, takes effort to remove, very good seal. Left side quite lose feeling, lacking the bass, sounds feel distant. Most of all, the uncomfortable, annoying - unbalanced feeling between the left and the right side. Is it a coincident?
 
Try taking to wire off and putting them on and see how it goes.

 

[vhsownsbeta]

Can anybody tell me why the pictures of universals sometimes show silver vs gold screws?
Is silver an option on Noble 4?

The universals have different coloured screws according to model. 3 is silver. 4 is slate.

 

[vhsownsbeta]

I'm pretty sure John has mentioned that people generally find the left piece harder to insert the first time they get customs...

 

[Somphon]

I'm pretty sure John has mentioned that people generally find the left piece harder to insert the first time they get customs...

I don't find this is good enough answer. I've been wearing mine, to my wife's dismay, every chance I get for the past month and become quite accustom to getting them in and out. It still feel,the same and sounds the same. Actually i dont really find it hard to insert if it fits well. A simple twists and it pops right in.

I think mistakes bound to happen and they seems to try to rectify issues. Feedback is good for them.

 

[vhsownsbeta]

I don't find this is good enough answer. I've been wearing mine, to my wife's dismay, every chance I get for the past month and become quite accustom to getting them in and out. It still feel,the same and sounds the same. Actually i dont really find it hard to insert if it fits well. A simple twists and it pops right in.

I think mistakes bound to happen and they seems to try to rectify issues. Feedback is good for them.

I wasn't offering 'the answer', merely one possible explanation. Anyhow, I should read the thread more. Dr Moulton has already replied.

 

[steffi]

Between different models do the cables vary at all? Is there any improvement from 3rd party cables with the 4s?

 

[fiascogarcia]

Between different models do the cables vary at all? Is there any improvement from 3rd party cables with the 4s?

I believe all the stock cables are the same, regardless of the Noble you get.  Custom cables, IMO, can offer the very slightest difference is sq.  I would make it the last upgrade you make, after you have all the components you desire in your audio chain.  I have typically bought custom primarily to get a custom length.

 

[Dexter Morgan]

I'm pretty sure John has mentioned that people generally find the left piece harder to insert the first time they get customs...

Yes, John kindly offered me assistance and suggested this possibility as well. I actually find insertion remarkably easy in both sides. I was shocked the first time I put them in how easily they popped in... I was expecting a lot more twisting and pushing. The video on YouTube showing the twisting technique was very helpful. Anyhow, I don't think this is the problem for me. I'm gonna give it some more time, as the whole thing might just be in my head.

One thing is certain, the right side is definitely tighter fitting than the left. I wonder if the left side could just be dipped a few more times in acrylic to make it thicker. Hey maybe I've got it all backwards... maybe the right side is too thick and it should be looser. Ok, I going to go take a Xanax, light some candles, draw a bath, and listen to whale sounds

 

[Malevolent]

Really? I wouldn't call K10 flat/neutral, or 'reference'.

I had my K10 for a week before I returned them for refit. It is hard to compare a universal to a custom. With that in mind, they share similar technical qualities to the 4U (imaging, separation etc) with more bass presence/emphasis and an increased lushness across the FR. I would call them 'musical' more than 'reference'. They are the most enjoyable IEMs I have ever listened to, including SE846 and Roxannes.

This is all IMHO, and there are others on here with greater ability and experience in reviewing/comparing headphones.

 
Yeah, agreed. The K10 is certainly not balanced, especially in comparison with the Noble 4, which offers a relatively neutral sound. The K10 is fun, engaging and has a well-rounded tonality that does many things well. They may not have the biggest soundstage, nor are the K10s the most detailed of the TOTL IEMs, but their sum package offers a very musical and rich sound that reproduces a wide genre of music superbly well, from EDM to Pop to Rock. They've been my absolute favorite IEMs since I first auditioned them months ago.

 

[FullCircle]

Yeah, agreed. The K10 is certainly not balanced, especially in comparison with the Noble 4, which offers a relatively neutral sound. The K10 is fun, engaging and has a well-rounded tonality that does many things well. They may not have the biggest soundstage, nor are the K10s the most detailed of the TOTL IEMs, but their sum package offers a very musical and rich sound that reproduces a wide genre of music superbly well, from EDM to Pop to Rock. They've been my absolute favorite IEMs since I first auditioned them months ago.

Thank u

 

[fiascogarcia]

   
Yeah, agreed. The K10 is certainly not balanced, especially in comparison with the Noble 4, which offers a relatively neutral sound. The K10 is fun, engaging and has a well-rounded tonality that does many things well. They may not have the biggest soundstage, nor are the K10s the most detailed of the TOTL IEMs, but their sum package offers a very musical and rich sound that reproduces a wide genre of music superbly well, from EDM to Pop to Rock. They've been my absolute favorite IEMs since I first auditioned them months ago.

What is the consensus, if there is one, about what neutral really is?  The term is often used in literally every iem or phone thread, and I'm still trying to wrap my head around it, since it is always used as a comparison point from phone to phone. I tend to associate the term "clinical" when I think of neutral, which typically includes (in my mind) an inherent minimum of sub bass and brighter treble on the ends of the spectrum, and lack of a full bodied sound (quantity of bass again?).  That's probably an incorrect association, so I am curious if there might be a descriptive way to define the sense of neutrality in a phone.  Thanks, and I don't want to send this thread too far off course with this topic.

 

[THEcoatedwaif]

What is the consensus, if there is one, about what neutral really is?  The term is often used in literally every iem or phone thread, and I'm still trying to wrap my head around it, since it is always used as a comparison point from phone to phone. I tend to associate the term "clinical" when I think of neutral, which typically includes (in my mind) an inherent minimum of sub bass and brighter treble on the ends of the spectrum, and lack of a full bodied sound (quantity of bass again?).  That's probably an incorrect association, so I am curious if there might be a descriptive way to define the sense of neutrality in a phone.  Thanks, and I don't want to send this thread too far off course with this topic.

I agree with your description of neutral sound. When I hear the term neutral sound, I think of how the HD800 sounds–neither highs, mids, or bass are over-represented (in this case, treble has a slight over-representation). I had a chance to listen to the HE1000 and I would call those cans warm in comparison to the HD800.

 

[Saraugie]

What is the consensus, if there is one, about what neutral really is?  The term is often used in literally every iem or phone thread, and I'm still trying to wrap my head around it, since it is always used as a comparison point from phone to phone. I tend to associate the term "clinical" when I think of neutral, which typically includes (in my mind) an inherent minimum of sub bass and brighter treble on the ends of the spectrum, and lack of a full bodied sound (quantity of bass again?).  That's probably an incorrect association, so I am curious if there might be a descriptive way to define the sense of neutrality in a phone.  Thanks, and I don't want to send this thread too far off course with this topic.

My thoughts are the music is passed through from the dap to the sound coming out into your ears exactly as your recording is. In other words it is impossible to achieve it. What could be possible is once in analog, from that point into your phones, that sound could be extremely close to not colored.