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Low end. Cheap. Generic. Otherwise bang for buck cable thread!

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  1. fokta
    DAMN... 174... really grind my gear....

    Pure Silver... if the burn in / break in myth was true... would take 200 hours... #itch
     
  2. fokta
    Regarding TRS vs TRRS, it really need to be in combo either with Source/DAP/DAC also HP/IEM.
    IMO, TRRS can make u felt the dynamic in low volume.
    DD will get more benefit then BA.
    the phrase, more power means more dynamics stands here, be advise, when ur ear alrd get used to it, it will be a one way direction to persude SQ... I know this, because this is my situation now.

    too much talk... just try, know it ur self

    edit : it doesn't mean TRS is below TRRS, most warm ot tube sig still use TRS... and its the most universal SE Jack... u never go wrong...
     
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  3. hakuzen
    yes, it's price per meter. you'd need 10m to make a 1.2m cable of 8 cores. it's a very good price for that wire, couldn't find it cheaper at taobao (nor the eagle components).

    the price of cable 174 is not expensive, if you calculate total cost by adding the plugs, splitter, etc. usual price for a cable using 8 cores of that wire is the double of this.
    the time and effort i'd spend trying to diy it is more expensive than the amount they charge.
    they made an excellent job with my rhodium plated plugs and soldering work.
    if you decide to diy your cable, i wouldn't use rhodium plated plugs (very hard to solder), and i'd take care of tiny strands of the wire (easily broken when preparing the wire or when applying too much heat), and tiny contacts of 2.5mm TRRS jacks (R- contact is particularly small).

    i'll might purchase this wire to diy some interconnects, with bigger contacts in plugs (XLR, most).

    balanced audio with TRRS connectors (remember you need a balanced source to get balanced sound) provides double power (which isn't needed for most phones), eliminates EMI noise (not needed because length of our phones cables are short), and much decreases crosstalk. i only find useful the latter (although the extra power is also welcome for my planars) in portable gear.
    less crosstalk means wider sound stage. this helps to instruments separation and imaging perception. although excess of width can contribute to loose some central image, with blind spots.
    you can also use a balanced cable, TRRS ended, with single end (TRS) outputs, by using an adapter, but signal is not balanced in this case (you don't get the mentioned benefits).
    if you own and/or plan to use balanced outputs, you'll need TRRS ended cables, which can also be used with single end outputs, thanks to the adapters. there is a section for this kind of adapters in my list of cables
     
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  4. subwoof3r
    You are right, just checked and it cost more to make one by buying all elements than buying a finished cable directly.
    Thanks for the hint about Rhodium plating, didn't know it was harder to solder.
    Anyway I don't have much skill yet to make cable by my own, so I think I will buy one soon, just need to choose which will be my next cable for very long time. I'm still hesitating between 170 / 171 / 174 for now, choice is hard! :D
    Still much enjoying my 165 for now.
     
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  5. hakuzen
    you are welcome, thanks!

    i did notice clear difference between 174 (pure silver) and 171 (pure copper).
    if you don't need much bass rumble, because your source+phones combo is dark enough, choose 174: better mids and highs (i like bass in 174, punchy and extended, but notes size is smaller, bass is tighter and a bit thinner)
    if you need to keep a more organic sub-bass, choose 171 (it also keeps good mids and highs, better than the rest of my cables, silver plated ones included, except 174, of course).
    both are a pure bliss. i know i won't find better sq cables.
     
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  6. lukedss
    balanced audio with TRRS connectors (remember you need a balanced source to get balanced sound) provides double power (which isn't needed for most phones), eliminates EMI noise (not needed because length of our phones cables are short), and much decreases crosstalk. i only find useful the latter (although the extra power is also welcome for my planars) in portable gear.
    less crosstalk means wider sound stage. this helps to instruments separation and imaging perception. although excess of width can contribute to loose some central image, with blind spots.
    you can also use a balanced cable, TRRS ended, with single end (TRS) outputs, by using an adapter, but signal is not balanced in this case (you don't get the mentioned benefits).
    if you own and/or plan to use balanced outputs, you'll need TRRS ended cables, which can also be used with single end outputs, thanks to the adapters. there is a section for this kind of adapters in my list of cables[/QUOTE]

    Thank-you, i checked your post but could not find mention of 3.5 TRRS to 3.5 TRS adaptor. I checked the AE links for the various ones but the sellers don't seem to carry this. If you have a recommendation I will take that otherwise I could ask Electro Acousti?
     
  7. Cevisi
    wich trrs 2.5 cabletyp or cablenwill give my kxxs more treble and stage ?
     
  8. hakuzen
    why would you need a 3.5TRRS to 3.5TRS adapter? balanced cables use 2.5mm TRRS, 4.4mm pentacom, or XLR-4 plug, because they are the most common balanced outputs for phones. 2.5 TRRS is the most used, but it seems than 4.4 plug is being used frequently in new gear (contacts in 2.5 plugs are very small). 3.5mm TRRS (balanced) is rarer.
    so you'll get a 2.5mm TRRS or 4.4mm balanced cable, and you'll need a 3.5 TRS to 2.5 TRRS or to 4.4 adapter, in order to be used with single end classic outputs.
    my list of 3.5TRS-2.5TRRS(balanced) adapters: https://www.head-fi.org/threads/res...omments-and-links.907998/page-2#post-14985730 (updated it yesterday with some new adds)

    cable 174 from electro acousti, without a doubt, but it costs more than your kxxs. you could ask for a 4 cores version of this cable (neotech up-occ silver+gold alloy) to the seller (manufacturer) to check if price is more appropriated for kxxs, because you don't need extreme low resistance cable for a dynamic driver. they also have a neotech frozen up-occ silver plated copper cable, 8 cores, cheaper, and a 4 cores cable of neotech silver+gold alloy mixed with gold plated silver, which surely gives you what you are looking for.

    cable 169 from nicehck also fits about treble and stage, but it's mmcx, so you'd need to spend extra $25 for an adapter. silver frozen up-occ plated+copper litz, mixed.

    other good options for treble (but not so good for stage) are isn audio S8 or S16 (silver plated copper) from penon, or cable 128 (spc), and others, but these all play in a lower league
     
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  10. hakuzen
    but that cable is 3.5TRRS BALANCED or 3.5TRRS single end + mic? (because ZX2 doesn't seem to feature balanced output..)
    have you tried that cable, directly plugged (no adapter) into nickle amp?
     
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  11. lukedss
    Ah I am learning! So the TRRS reccomendation for the ZX2 is probably just to account for the weak built in amp also seen why people w power hungry heapdhones need to derestrict the volume limiter.

    I have not tried putting the TRRS into the Nickle Amp I will research it. I know they said not to use balanced cables but know I understand that to be something completely different.


    3 research seconds later.."Input/Output Connectors- 3.5mm TRRS (microphone passthrugh)"

    Nice!! Thank-you for guiding me through that learning process!!

    So I guess I should have Electro Acousti make my 170 with TRRS jack jor my iSines then, more power the better right?
     
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  12. warriorpoet
    Cable 170 and Gu.Craftsman OCC copper arrived today. I compared both with my previous favorite (Gu.Craftsman 6N Silver).

    Gu.Craftsman have updated their jack-side strain relief- it's shorter and MUCH improved.
    Gu.Craftsman have updated their splitter- it's in English now. I miss the Kanji, but the change is understandable.

    The Electro Acousti Store cable (170) is much thinner and lighter. I can see using this in a professional setting in place of a Plastics One with no adjustments EXCEPT:

    The jack is much larger than necessary. It's very clearly a big 'ol chunk of quality, but far oversized for the core size being used. The same goes for the splitter which is almost obscenely large for the size of cable. The cinch flat out does not work (I got the circular wood one).

    How do they sound?

    Both Gu.Craftsman's pass more signal (3 less steps on the volume for the copper, 5 less for the silver on my Mojo). Both Gu.Craftsman are MUCH more impactful in the bass region, this is especially noticeable in the silver cable. However, this efficiency leads to a smaller perceptible soundstage. The EAS doesn't pass as much signal, but what is there feels more light and balanced, more "true." It could be the thinner wire of the Gu.Craftsman cables forms a less efficient connection per core, or the smaller diameter leads to a more efficient LPF than the AES.

    So, if I'm looking to add body or a more intimate space, the GC are my choice, and the silver, in particular, lends a nice feeling of impact.

    If I'm looking for a more efficient, light, "flat" feeling, I'm reaching for the AES, despite the niggles. If the AES were available with GC's build quality, I'd take 3. Either way, they're all three great cables, and the GCs in particular feel as if they'd survive a nuclear winter.
     
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  13. warriorpoet
    The 4 core is excellent, a couple usability and cosmetic issues aside. You tried the silver/ gold; have you tried the pure 7N(!) silver?

    I do have to admit, the copper on 170 is gorgeous, but $10 less for the copper is awful tempting...
     
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  14. hakuzen
    iems usually don't need much power. having more power when you aren't going to use it means nothing (you'd blow up your ears, and possibly fry your iems, when applying much volume).
    i don't know about iSine, though. guess that one needs some respectable juice.
    anyway, to get double power (double voltage = +6dB) you need the source features balanced amplifying. please remember this. if you don't own it, but plan to get one, you can purchase the balanced TRRS cable because you'll need it when using a balanced output, and meanwhile, you can use it in single end outputs by using an adapter (but in this case, single end output, you don't get extra power, nor crosstalk decrease; the cable does nothing).

    thanks for your impressions about cables i adore!
    nice to see Gu has improved the plug strain relief.
    Gu.Craftsman cables (133 in my list) have lower resistance than electro acousti's cable 170, because of their total section. they should be more efficient, but this wouldn't mean much difference in volume. you probably have to raise the volume to feel the bass you like. it's interesting what you mention about the relation of bass and thickness of wire; the strands have similar diameter in both cables (0.08mm), but total section is bigger in GU cables. when comparing 170 and 171 (8 cores), my impression was of 171 having slightly more bass, but can't confirm it, it might was bias or not well matched volume.
    more people report that up-occ copper cables provide tighter bass than other copper wires. and i say up-occ copper wire is nearer to silver attributes than other copper wires. i personally like this.

    edit: forgot to tell.. yea 4 cores cable is thin for the chin slider (wood one also here). i'll might add a silicone o-ring to get it tighter, because i much use the slider.
    while 8 cores slider (metal one) is enough tight, it's even a bit difficult to move

    nope, cable 174 is my first confirmed pure silver one (well, with a hint of gold). was waiting for 8 cores of frozen up-occ silver plated copper litz, but when i saw the chance to try neotech silver+gold alloy cable (had heard very good impressions of this wire), didn't doubt of trying it. electro acousti has added some more cables to their stock recently. i'd try all based on neotech wires
     
    Last edited: Jul 10, 2019
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  15. fokta
    Take a hit on 174 cable custom (4 core only) price reduce to USD 110.
    We will see how it goes....
     
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