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Hiby R6 Pro II (2023 Edition) - Launch, Hype, Thoughts & More

Mar 27, 2023 at 2:51 PM Post #77 of 2,364
Joe Bloggs said:
We're currently looking at worldwide preorders early April and shipping sometime in April as well. 😃
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When is the teaser video/ launch video dropping. Something that really makes it difficult to not want to buy it... 😉
 
Mar 27, 2023 at 7:23 PM Post #78 of 2,364
I have a question: would I be able to use this as a DAC for a desktop amp, like the Gustard H16 ?
I'm planning on getting a Hifiman Arya on a trade soon, and since I don't have the money to get a desktop dac + this DAP, I'm thinking of using this as a DAC for the desktop amp.
If this is possible, can I have the PC connected to the USB port of the R6 Pro USB port and the desktop amp would go to the Line Outs of the R6 Pro, right ?

Thanks in advance.
 
Mar 27, 2023 at 8:05 PM Post #79 of 2,364
Really interested in the approach of the new R6 pro II, always thought there was a gap in the DAP market, a lot of us drive only IEMs that generally need low to medium power, however if you want maximum technical capabilities you often have to go to the TOTL, with the best DAC chip and lots of power, the 1.2W offered by my DX320 is of no use to me...

So I always dreamed of a high-end player that does not exceed the 1K mark, that offers a TOTL sound but without the unnecessary extra power for almost all iem users, since I understand that this extra power affects costs and the final design. Personally I see this approach to a DAP with high performance and a flagship DAC chip as very appropriate, keeping price and power low, I will wait to know more about its sound, but my interest increases more and more. :)
 
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Mar 27, 2023 at 9:16 PM Post #80 of 2,364
ma151 said:
I have a question: would I be able to use this as a DAC for a desktop amp, like the Gustard H16 ?
I'm planning on getting a Hifiman Arya on a trade soon, and since I don't have the money to get a desktop dac + this DAP, I'm thinking of using this as a DAC for the desktop amp.
If this is possible, can I have the PC connected to the USB port of the R6 Pro USB port and the desktop amp would go to the Line Outs of the R6 Pro, right ?

Thanks in advance.
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Yes, that will absolutely work. In this case, a 4.4mm to dual 3 pin XLR would presumably be the preferable connection as both the R6 Pro II and the Gustard H16 are balanced.
 
Mar 28, 2023 at 1:46 PM Post #82 of 2,364
Mar 28, 2023 at 10:32 PM Post #83 of 2,364
ma151 said:
I have a question: would I be able to use this as a DAC for a desktop amp, like the Gustard H16 ?
I'm planning on getting a Hifiman Arya on a trade soon, and since I don't have the money to get a desktop dac + this DAP, I'm thinking of using this as a DAC for the desktop amp.
If this is possible, can I have the PC connected to the USB port of the R6 Pro USB port and the desktop amp would go to the Line Outs of the R6 Pro, right ?

Thanks in advance.
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This should be totally fine for music. If you're using it for movies or gaming, there's the usual caveat that these non-dedicated DACs have to take the digital audio signal and haul it through the Android system (even if totally bit-perfect), resulting in some latency if nothing else. At least, that has always been the case with our other Android-based units, I'll have to check if this is any different.
 
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Mar 29, 2023 at 1:34 AM Post #84 of 2,364
Joe Bloggs said:
According to the Chinese / Hong Kong sales literature (which is also news to me) they are speaking of "quality over quantity" and actually touting the reduction in output power as a selling point, implying that the noise floor etc. will be better. This is not as strange as it seems.

The noise floor WILL be better. A LOT better. The S/N ratio will improve thanks to the flagship AK4499EXx2 8-way DAC implementation (by a few dB compared to previous models, maybe), but the actual noise floor will go down by leaps and bounds thanks to the reduction in output power. All things being equal, the more powerful an amp is the worse it is for powering one of those high-end multi-BA IEMs, because while a high end amp output may have astronomical S/N ratios, this is only attained at maximum gain and volume. As required gain and volume goes down, S/N ratio goes down almost in lockstep. If you have any IEMs where you hear any hiss on any DAP's output, well, there's a good chance that DAP's output power is too much for the IEMs.

And, yes, that means the SE output may have been better than the balanced output for a lot of people in the past.

In the past I have always shook my head when people would "upgrade" to balanced cables on their kilobuck IEMs, plug them in to DAPs where the output power (and at the risk of oversimplification, hence the noise floor) is like 4x, hear tons of hiss and put up a brave face saying it still sounds better. Well, no more.

We are simply optimizing our products to match what we perceive to be the kind of mobile earphones people are spending the most money on.

People tend to think that a low power amp doesn't give "enough control" to hard-to-drive headphones even if there's enough volume.

If a pair of headphones are "hard to drive" because of high impedance, this simply is not an issue. If an amp didn't have enough power to drive high-Z headphones, this would simply come in the form of not enough voltage swing, which is basically a fancy way to say that you'd run out of volume knob.

If a pair of headphones are "hard to drive" rather because of high current requirement (at low impedance), well, our new devices are designed to meet those needs. And have low OI to increase the damping factor. But such high current, low OI etc. design don't necessarily manifest in a huge output number at 32 or even 16 ohms. It may also come in the form of extra peak power rather than RMS power at low impedances.
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This sounds promising.

I do understand that giving class A a reduction in overall power is expected.Hopefully will get to try soon. Though I still think a bit more power ( like 50mW more than the r6 III) would’ve been much better received among the consumer base( myself included). Though still looking forward for this one and probably buy it ( unless I find a good deal on the new RS6 grey 😛 it has my heart ).
 
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Mar 29, 2023 at 10:04 PM Post #85 of 2,364
I've just confirmed that Subtonic Audio, builder of the Storm flagship IEM, will be adding a R6 Pro II to their ranks as a testbed for their product development, and to showcase their IEMs with.

If R6 Pro II's "paltry" output power is good enough for the designers of Storm – one of the most incredibly difficult IEMs to drive of all time – that makes for a ringing endorsement that doesn't get any higher, as far as I'm concerned.
 
Mar 29, 2023 at 11:56 PM Post #86 of 2,364
Z_Showmaster said:
I've just confirmed that Subtonic Audio, builder of the Storm flagship IEM, will be adding a R6 Pro II to their ranks as a testbed for their product development, and to showcase their IEMs with.

If R6 Pro II's "paltry" output power is good enough for the designers of Storm – one of the most incredibly difficult IEMs to drive of all time – that makes for a ringing endorsement that doesn't get any higher, as far as I'm concerned.
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do you know if they also use the wm1a by any chance?
 
Mar 30, 2023 at 5:48 AM Post #89 of 2,364
Mar 30, 2023 at 5:49 AM Post #90 of 2,364
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