Mar 29, 2023 at 10:19 PM Post #59,536 of 70,727
Don’t rush with the 325x. Give it at least 100hrs of burn in.
You’ll get used to the F pads at some point.

Yes, the soundstage is small. But 325x (and Hemp) has very rich sound that I can’t find on any other hp.

Try this this song on 325x and listen to the low end. It’s like drugs.
Funny how ears and brains differ. "Rich" is one of the last words I would associate with the sound I'm hearing now from the 325x. I've owned Meze 99 Classics and Audeze LCD-2C, and those create FAR more of a sense of richness than these.

That said, I'm impressed with the bass with the stock F pads. But it's nowhere near as rich or good as the LCD-2C. The timbre of guitars and snares is quite nice, though.

Early days. Thanks.
 
Mar 29, 2023 at 10:24 PM Post #59,537 of 70,727
Don’t rush with the 325x. Give it at least 100hrs of burn in.
You’ll get used to the F pads at some point.

Yes, the soundstage is small. But 325x (and Hemp) has very rich sound that I can’t find on any other hp.

Try this this song on 325x and listen to the low end. It’s like drugs.
Without the burn in you are not hearing the phone as it will become. Possibly it will change your impressions. I would also suggest that you not go into playing the pad game until you do hear how it evolves.

On the surface I would think the next step up the line, the limited edition Hemp. I think it’s slightly more relaxed SQ and gets a lot of rave notice. It would be great if you were somehow get a chance to listen to a broken in pair.

Good luck, I hope things improve and find you smiling. BTW, the former TOTL the PS2000e was still evolving as I passed 300 hours of playtime.

Last boil down, we all have to please oneself. There is no right or wrong.
 
Mar 29, 2023 at 10:26 PM Post #59,538 of 70,727
I just took the 325X dive also. Initial listen had me not liking F pad. The S and G appeal more. The included info and a reviewer says these react to breakin. After a couple days of burn in it's back on the head and some pad swapping.

Yeah, I'm trying to adapt to the stock F pads, but man, the mids are really tangy and forward with them. Vocals are too "in your face."

The S pads did nothing for me. Neutered nearly everything that was good about the stock signature. I think these cans almost demand an opening to the driver in the pad.

I'm enjoying the G "bowls." Impressively increased soundstage, and I think the sound is more balanced across the spectrum, with more detail in the treble with less "bite." You lose some of the bass of the stock F pads but you lose some of the mids' spiciness. And the increased soundstage, detail and comfort are really nice.

Early days, but if I'm keeping these, the G's probably will be the ticket.
 
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Mar 29, 2023 at 10:34 PM Post #59,539 of 70,727
For the record: I appreciate everyone's suggestions here without jumping down my throat because I don't love the 325x at first listen. I know Grados polarize, and devotees in polar camps sometimes can act like you've kidnapped their first-born if you disagree with their love for a certain brand or product.

You've all been very cool. Grazie.

In the meantime, I'm going back to some late-night listening with my 325x! Not giving up the ship yet. Not close. Early days.

Thanks.
 
Mar 30, 2023 at 12:34 AM Post #59,541 of 70,727
Now, before you say, "Hey, dumbass, that's not what Grado is about!" -- I know that. I just wanted to try something different and thought a Grado that was a bit warmer than some of the lower-end models in the Prestige series might hit the spot.
Nah, man...why would anyone do that?

I tried the HD600 and I could just not fall in love with that headphone. Same thing with the HD650. But now I'm loving my HD800.

There are so many headphones out there and so little time to enjoy the music...if it ain't Grado, I hope you do find what you are looking for. Maybe, if time and money permits, you can try another Grado model which might suit you better in the future.
 
Mar 30, 2023 at 12:54 AM Post #59,542 of 70,727
Finally dove into the Grado sound with the purchase of 325x today. Early impressions based on my first Grado listen:

-- These things have more bass than I thought. Grado's have the reputation of being thin on the low end, but these things have surprising oomph with the stock pads.

-- I also tried the Geekria G pads recommended by DMS. Definitely increase the comfort and expand the soundstage to a surprising width. Impressive. But they also change the tuning to more a more V-shaped signature, which is taking a tuning that borders on too much treble for me and pushes it over the edge. You lose some of the bass punch from the stock F pads, too.

-- Everyone wasn't kidding about the discomfort of these. The stock F pads are very thin, with openings in the center. I have a decent-sized head, but my ears started to hurt after 30 minutes.

-- If this is the "warmer" Grado, damn, I'd hate to hear what the "normal" or "sharp" Grado sounds like. While there were no icepicks to the cochlea like a Beyer or the Audio-Technica ATH-M50x, I could see this sound signature being fatiguing very quickly for me. It's unrelenting in its brightness and detail. Neither the brightness or detail are mind-blowing separately, but it's grating and tiring as a blend.

-- Pad rolling is fun and easy with Grados. Everyone is right: The sound signature and soundstage change more dramatically with pad rolling with these than any other brand I've tried.

-- I expected imaging that punched above the $295 price. I was disappointed. Didn't find the imaging any better than my HD 6XX, which is $50 less new. Of course, the imaging couldn't compare to my LCD-X 2021, but I didn't expect that.

-- The cable is clumsy, but I do must of my listening at the desktop, so no big deal. I would rather have a thick fabric cable like this than the damn Christmas tree tinsel that HiFiMan sends with some of its cans as a stock cable. The Focal Elegia cable was just as stiff and clumsy as the Grado cable, too. I think the Grado cable gets crap upon unfairly. It's not great; it's not awful.

-- The leather headband, with almost no padding, doesn't bother me at all.

I'll give these more time, but it's unlikely I'll keep them. The signature is just too fatiguing. I tend to like a neutral-to-warmish signature, and I thought that this "warmer" Grado 325x might suit me.

But Grado is gonna Grado, even a warmer version. I know it works for a lot of people and I respect Grado's adherence to its "house sound," but it's just too tangy for my ears and brain. I thought maybe I could find a low-priced gem here, but I need something with a warmer, softer signature yet with detail.

Next target probably is a ZMF Aeolus after some months to save. :)
Try:
1. Wearing the ear pads a bit lower on your ear

2. Try different ways forward and back

3. The sound and comfort of Grados changes depending on how they are situated.
 
Mar 30, 2023 at 4:30 AM Post #59,543 of 70,727
Does this GS3000e look right to you guys?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2560252513...customid=cc9fea98-ce57-11ed-91d5-396263653663

The cocobolo seems off...the headband looks cheap...and even the L on the rodblock is too thick.


Those are definitely a made up pair.
The first pictures use a stock Grado advert .
The cable mod looks good from what I can see.
If you’re interested in buying them ask the seller for pictures of the drivers with out the ear pads on.
If the driver looks like it been glued in by a hyper active 3 year old they might be genuine?
If the driver is glued in nicely then it’s probably a home made pair.
The rod blocks look well made and seem to be made of aluminium .
This I don’t believe was offered on the GS3000e?
Ask the seller which drivers are used as they might be of better quality than the Grado ones used.
The lettering is smaller than an original Grado.
At least it’s spelt correctly.
Something that even Grado didn’t manage on the first Grado HF-1

If you buy them your still covered by the eBay guarantee.

I personally would keep away unless you just wanted to experiment with them..

Not a bad mark up on the price considering what you can pay for the parts.
He will be quids in if they sell for that.
 
Mar 30, 2023 at 5:26 AM Post #59,544 of 70,727
For the record: I appreciate everyone's suggestions here without jumping down my throat because I don't love the 325x at first listen. I know Grados polarize, and devotees in polar camps sometimes can act like you've kidnapped their first-born if you disagree with their love for a certain brand or product.

You've all been very cool. Grazie.

In the meantime, I'm going back to some late-night listening with my 325x! Not giving up the ship yet. Not close. Early days.

Thanks.

No one’s going to jump down your throat.
This is a friendly thread used by nice folks.👍
Just head over to the Sony Walkman threads and say you listened to another manufacturers product?
Or even worse own one.

Regarding your 325X I haven’t heard them.
As others have said run them and keep running them in.
If you have any type of device even a small radio would do.
Just play music though them and you can even cover them up with a blanket so the tiss tiss doesn’t get annoying.

Pad wise they make a difference as you have found out.
You could cut a small hole in the S pad.
That’s called a quarter mod.
You can try Sennheiser HD414 pads.
These are far cheaper than stock Grado pads.
Bright yellow so might put you off?
If you find the G pads fine but the treble still a bit much you can try the tape mod.
This is just 1 inch tape around the outer side of the pad to make them a bit firmer so taking the driver a bit further away from your ear.
Another thing to try is the kitchen ply mod.
This is just kitchen roll.
This usually comes in 3 ply thickness.
Just cut the driver shape out and use 1 ply sheet and see how you go?
Place the 1 ply sheet over the driver and put the pads back on.
Finally you say your happy with the dac/amp as it’s works well with your other headphones and it should as it’s a good unit and some fine headphones so it’s just a problem with the Grados.

I like you am getting less tolerant of hyper treble now.
Not every day but sometimes just want more of a chill type of sound.
When I do I just use a ddhifi dongle type dac/amp.
Nice slightly rolled off top end.
I think of it as a bit like a micro valve amp.
It runs Grados perfectly even though it’s not very powerful.

Pictures of the kitchen roll mod and the micro valve amp 😀😀

Have fun.
 

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Mar 30, 2023 at 6:37 AM Post #59,545 of 70,727
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My first Grado buy! Love the punchyness of strings with these, good bass and sweet mids.
 
Mar 30, 2023 at 9:57 AM Post #59,546 of 70,727
Nah, man...why would anyone do that?

I tried the HD600 and I could just not fall in love with that headphone. Same thing with the HD650. But now I'm loving my HD800.

There are so many headphones out there and so little time to enjoy the music...if it ain't Grado, I hope you do find what you are looking for. Maybe, if time and money permits, you can try another Grado model which might suit you better in the future.
Thanks. The more I listened last night to the 325x with the G "bowl" pads, the more I liked these. Still not the most comfortable, but hopefully in time. Since I know the "bowls" probably will be the way to go for me, I may investigate some of the higher-end bowl replacement pads with real leather/velour, etc.

Left them on all night with a classic rock mix, too. Burn, baby, burn!
 
Mar 30, 2023 at 9:59 AM Post #59,547 of 70,727
No one’s going to jump down your throat.
This is a friendly thread used by nice folks.👍
Just head over to the Sony Walkman threads and say you listened to another manufacturers product?
Or even worse own one.

Regarding your 325X I haven’t heard them.
As others have said run them and keep running them in.
If you have any type of device even a small radio would do.
Just play music though them and you can even cover them up with a blanket so the tiss tiss doesn’t get annoying.

Pad wise they make a difference as you have found out.
You could cut a small hole in the S pad.
That’s called a quarter mod.
You can try Sennheiser HD414 pads.
These are far cheaper than stock Grado pads.
Bright yellow so might put you off?
If you find the G pads fine but the treble still a bit much you can try the tape mod.
This is just 1 inch tape around the outer side of the pad to make them a bit firmer so taking the driver a bit further away from your ear.
Another thing to try is the kitchen ply mod.
This is just kitchen roll.
This usually comes in 3 ply thickness.
Just cut the driver shape out and use 1 ply sheet and see how you go?
Place the 1 ply sheet over the driver and put the pads back on.
Finally you say your happy with the dac/amp as it’s works well with your other headphones and it should as it’s a good unit and some fine headphones so it’s just a problem with the Grados.

I like you am getting less tolerant of hyper treble now.
Not every day but sometimes just want more of a chill type of sound.
When I do I just use a ddhifi dongle type dac/amp.
Nice slightly rolled off top end.
I think of it as a bit like a micro valve amp.
It runs Grados perfectly even though it’s not very powerful.

Pictures of the kitchen roll mod and the micro valve amp 😀😀

Have fun.
Interesting. Thanks. Maybe we have a clash of cultural terminology here: Is kitchen roll what we Yanks call "paper towels?" Sincere question.

I do love the "modability" of Grados. So easy to change their signature with dirt-cheap mods such as pad swaps, holes cut in pads, tape, paper towels, etc.
 
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Mar 30, 2023 at 11:17 AM Post #59,549 of 70,727
Thanks. The more I listened last night to the 325x with the G "bowl" pads, the more I liked these. Still not the most comfortable, but hopefully in time. Since I know the "bowls" probably will be the way to go for me, I may investigate some of the higher-end bowl replacement pads with real leather/velour, etc.

Left them on all night with a classic rock mix, too. Burn, baby, burn!
You could try the ZMF Beyer perforated lambskin pads with their Grado adapter. I am really enjoying these on my RS-1X.
 
Mar 30, 2023 at 11:39 AM Post #59,550 of 70,727
Thanks. The more I listened last night to the 325x with the G "bowl" pads, the more I liked these. Still not the most comfortable, but hopefully in time. Since I know the "bowls" probably will be the way to go for me, I may investigate some of the higher-end bowl replacement pads with real leather/velour, etc.

Left them on all night with a classic rock mix, too. Burn, baby, burn!

If you end up liking the F pads, you could try these covers:
https://www.amazon.com/Protectors-W..._1?keywords=Jarmor&qid=1680135107&sr=8-1&th=1

I use a slightly larger version on my L pads -- no more comfort issues for me.

And yeah, there are a ton of pads you could try. I've got a drawer full of Grado pad failed experiments. But it's fun and it is not too expensive.
 
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