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Jan 24, 2018 at 1:58 AM Post #37,321 of 65,663
Yeah, there doesn't seem to be too many around unfortunately. Not really any HiFi shows or anything in Liverpool either so no huge market, but yeah, the whole city is built on its musical legacy. It can get a bit much at times!!

As a blue, the less said about the football, the better!

A few more hours on these this morning before I have to work. Still sounding great. Still uncomfortable!
 
Jan 24, 2018 at 4:08 PM Post #37,323 of 65,663
The RS2e is amazing. Glad to see it's receiving lots of love in this thread. Even after getting the PS2ke, it's still hard to replace the RS2e. The sound, and it's lightweight build. I'm pretty happy alternating between them every night and then. RS2e with it's emotional, touching vocals. PS2ke with its top-class separation, soundstage, and resolution. Like listening to the musician in a studio/cafe, and maestro at an orchestra (pardon the analogy). Both immersive, and enjoyable. One is closer, and the other more expansive (wider+deeper). I love them both. :) They're also rather easy-to-drive.

@ruhenheiM Hey, thanks for that neck muscle training video. :D Lol.
 
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Jan 24, 2018 at 4:23 PM Post #37,324 of 65,663
The Grado PS2000e, GS2000e, GS1000i, PS1000: A Tale Of Balanced and Single Ended

I now have had my Grado GS2000e (balanced configuration) and PS2000e (also balanced) for almost three weeks, and so I thought I would share some experiences with them. To summarize the main points up front:

* In single ended use, the GS1000i outperforms the other three headphones on my 10-point listening tests (transparency, sound stage,...);
* Using either the GS2000e or the PS2000e in balanced configuration improves their performance, with the improvement in the GS2000e from balanced use being VERY significant;
* The GS2000e, as a lightweight headphone suited for on-the-go listening, is significantly better in balanced mode than any other headphone I have walked around with;
* The PS2000e, in balanced mode, provides the highest level of excitement (head nodding, breathlessness, however you choose to measure it) of the four headphones.

BACKGROUND

After having the privilege of testing and comparing both the GS2000e and the PS2000e for a week each to my other headphones (and writing a review of each), I just KNEW that I had to have both of them. I bought them, new, from my local Grado dealer, placing the order on the Saturday after Thanksgiving in recognition of "Small Business Saturday." Since my tests with the GS2000e during that review period had indicated that using them in balanced configuration produced an improvement, I ordered both in balanced configuration, resigning myself to the use of XLR-to-6.3mm adapter cords (and a second 6.3mm to 3.5mm adapter cord after that for sources with mini jacks).

Since the GS2000e is so light, I immediately began using it for the 20 min twice-a-day dog walks that I take. I quickly notices that its sound was significantly better than any other portable headphone I had taken these walks with. For these walks, I used the Lotoo PAW 5000 player, as recommended by Grado Labs for their headphones, which has a balanced output, and a special 2.5mm-to XLR adapter, found on eBay, to let this source drive my GS2000e's.


Portable walk-about setup includes GS2000e, Lotoo PAW 5000, and 2.5mm-to-XLR converter.

I quickly realized that the sound of the GS2000e, heard amidst the noise of outside suburbs, was better than any I had ever heard on my walks. It was more spacious, more detailed, and had better resolution of instrument positions. Overall, it was just more exciting.

Why?

INITIAL EXPERIMENTS

Since I have developed and used a regimen of systematic testing to compare headphones (10 acoustic features used to rank order three headphones at a time into 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place, then compute an overall ranking, described here), I decided to subject my new headphones to these tests. I also added my all-time favorite Grados, the GS1000i (which had bested all of my other Grados in earlier tests, reported in the links in my signature line), and the Grado PS1000, which was the only headphone that had bested the GS2000e. I performed these tests with the Joseph Grado HPA-1 amplifier (single ended).


From top left, the Grado GS1000i, PS2000e, GS2000e, and PS1000, with their respective cables (balanced or single ended) positioned within the headband.

Here are the results... higher scores are better (e.g., 1st place in a three-way comparison on a line in the table earns 4 points and a purple, then blue, red, and yellow as 4th place).


Grado PS1000 outperforms the newer GS2000e and PS2000e in single-ended tests with Joseph Grado HPA-1 amp.

The table shows that the highest overall score (28) goes to the PS1000, meaning that it had outscored the other headphones. In fact, my favorite GS1000i also outscored my two new acquisitions! And the lowest scoring headphone was that GS2000e that had been elevating the sound quality of my walks to a level never before achieved!

Lowest score? Yet most fun? Could my tests be...(perish the thought!) irrelevant?

Well, numeric scores aren't everything, are they? I had devised a "listening excitement" test (here) during my review time with the PS2000e, using several pieces that I found to be particularly well recorded and exciting, so I compared these four headphones on some of these pieces, noting my impressions of relative levels of excitement and reasons for them.


In "excitement" listening tests (all single ended), the GS1000i outshone the other 3 headphones!

What is going on???

BALANCED VS. SINGLE ENDED LISTENING

Beside the Lotoo PAW 5000 (and Sony PHA-3) portable sources, the only desk-top size balanced amps I have are the HiFiMAN EF-6 and the Sennheiser HDVD800. Both are optimized for their own headphones (the HE-6 and the HD800, respectively) and both have an output impedance that is really too high for the Grado's 32 ohm input impedance (20 ohms for the EF-6; 43 ohms for the HDVD800), but that is what I had to work with!

I began with the GS2000e, performing the 10-feature three-way comparison with GS2000e (balanced), GS2000e (single ended), and GS1000i (single ended, included because it was the antecedent to the GS2000e and was one of my favorites).


GS2000e in balanced mode outscores both the single-ended GS2000e and the (single-ended) GS1000i.

Clearly, the GS2000e in balanced mode moved to the top of the pack, ahead of both the single-ended GS2000e and the long-time favorite GS1000i in single ended mode.

How about the same experiment with the PS2000e? Does using the PS2000e in balanced mode drive it from the bottom to the top of the pack?


Single-ended PS1000 has overall score that is higher, though not significantly so, than the balanced PS2000e.

Nope! The PS1000 still outscores the PS2000e in balanced mode on these tests, though the balanced PS2000e is an improvement over the single-ended PS2000e. However, the score difference is only 2 between the PS1000 and the PS2000e, while differences of 3 or more are significant.

So let us compare the two leaders of the above two comparisons, the PS1000 (single ended) vs. the GS2000e (balanced):


GS2000e in balanced mode outscores the PS1000 single ended headphone.

We are starting to see why, despite its relatively low ranking in single-ended tests, the GS2000e scores so well on my walks with a balanced source... balanced driving really does make a difference for the GS2000e. This is why it sounded so great, used in balanced mode on my twice-a-day dog walks!

Finally, let us perform a direct comparison of the PS2000e in balanced mode with the GS2000e in balanced mode:


Balanced PS2000e and GS2000e score overall the same, though each has its own strengths.

The two balanced premium Grados scored the same overall. The PS2000e excelled in sound stage, subbass, and untangling a complex chord, while the GS2000e shone at transparency and treble detail features.

Likewise, we can revisit the "excitement" factor for just the two balanced Grado headphones:


In "excitement," the PS2000e excels over the GS2000e, having a clearer bass, better sound imaging, and more spacious sound stage.

CONCLUSION

In conclusion, I absolutely revere both the GS2000e and the PS2000e, the first for bringing my on-the-go listening to a new higher level, and the second for being the most exciting-to-listen-to headphone I have ever heard.

I am planning to purchase the balanced amp recommended by Grado Labs for these headphones, which is the Schiit Mjolner 2, using it to replace my Schiit Lyr 2 (also recommended by Grado) and upgrading my Bifrost Multibit DAC to the Gungir multibit ("Gumby").
Thank you! :thumbsup: Hope I can try the PS1k, and GS1000i someday. :)
 
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Jan 24, 2018 at 4:51 PM Post #37,325 of 65,663
Agree completely about the RS2e. Got it a couple of weeks ago and am really impressed by its ability to sound extremely transparent but yet not harsh or grating. It doesn’t cause me any fatigue despite the tilt toward brightness. Plus, it’s so light and the design is just so retro cool.
 
Jan 24, 2018 at 6:51 PM Post #37,326 of 65,663
Yeah, there doesn't seem to be too many around unfortunately. Not really any HiFi shows or anything in Liverpool either so no huge market, but yeah, the whole city is built on its musical legacy. It can get a bit much at times!!

As a blue, the less said about the football, the better!

A few more hours on these this morning before I have to work. Still sounding great. Still uncomfortable!
got it big sam :D
i'm looking forward for your impression of gh2 with G-pad, btw if you couldn't get the sound of it with g-pad you might wanna try some generic knock off G-pad


The RS2e is amazing. Glad to see it's receiving lots of love in this thread. Even after getting the PS2ke, it's still hard to replace the RS2e. The sound, and it's lightweight build. I'm pretty happy alternating between them every night and then. RS2e with it's emotional, touching vocals. PS2ke with its top-class separation, soundstage, and resolution. Like listening to the musician in a studio/cafe, and maestro at an orchestra (pardon the analogy). Both immersive, and enjoyable. One is closer, and the other more expansive (wider+deeper). I love them both. :) They're also rather easy-to-drive.

@ruhenheiM Hey, thanks for that neck muscle training video. :D Lol.

you're welcome :D i bet you have the same thought as mine, if only this headphone could be much lighter...
hopefully someday i could demo rs2e
 
Jan 24, 2018 at 7:56 PM Post #37,327 of 65,663
I'm not a fan of the RS series, but I genuinely feel that if that sound works for you there's nothing out there that could usurp it. They really are unique, a true example of artisan craftsmanship.

Personally, I'm still trying super hard not to run out and grab those GH1s. And I'm not gonna lie, a wireless Grado is REALLY appealing to me.
 
Jan 24, 2018 at 10:42 PM Post #37,328 of 65,663
The RS2e is amazing. Glad to see it's receiving lots of love in this thread. Even after getting the PS2ke, it's still hard to replace the RS2e. The sound, and it's lightweight build. I'm pretty happy alternating between them every night and then. RS2e with it's emotional, touching vocals. PS2ke with its top-class separation, soundstage, and resolution. Like listening to the musician in a studio/cafe, and maestro at an orchestra (pardon the analogy). Both immersive, and enjoyable. One is closer, and the other more expansive (wider+deeper). I love them both. :) They're also rather easy-to-drive.
+1
In my case the RS1i/PS2Ke.
 
Jan 25, 2018 at 10:20 AM Post #37,330 of 65,663
Hey guys/gals, just wondering if someone could point me in the right direction. Looking to delve into the grado sound/world. I am currently using Sennheiser momentum over ears, and AT m50 headphones. Looking for something a little more open sounding, more lively, and more "clear". I have been debating grado headphones for a while and am debating the sr80 to the sr225. Which would be the better choice. Hoping for the move to be better in quality moreso than a lateral move from my current headphones. Would the sr80 be a step down/lateral, if yes, what about the sr225? Thanks
 
Jan 25, 2018 at 10:59 AM Post #37,331 of 65,663
Hey guys/gals, just wondering if someone could point me in the right direction. Looking to delve into the grado sound/world. I am currently using Sennheiser momentum over ears, and AT m50 headphones. Looking for something a little more open sounding, more lively, and more "clear". I have been debating grado headphones for a while and am debating the sr80 to the sr225. Which would be the better choice. Hoping for the move to be better in quality moreso than a lateral move from my current headphones. Would the sr80 be a step down/lateral, if yes, what about the sr225? Thanks
The closed headphones you have are great but I find that open headphones sound much better than closed in the same price range. And in particular I've owned sr80 & sr225 and prefer them over any closed headphone I've heard. The Grados have a similar sound but the SR225 are noticeably better imo and worth the price difference, especially if you find them used. They will be very different from your current headphones, you should really try them out first if you can.
 
Jan 25, 2018 at 11:18 AM Post #37,332 of 65,663
The closed headphones you have are great but I find that open headphones sound much better than closed in the same price range. And in particular I've owned sr80 & sr225 and prefer them over any closed headphone I've heard. The Grados have a similar sound but the SR225 are noticeably better imo and worth the price difference, especially if you find them used. They will be very different from your current headphones, you should really try them out first if you can.

That's the problem, I can't audition them in advance. I'm more or less sold on the concept and idea of the grado. Just wasn't sure if the sr80 would be a step up from my current lineup, or if the sr225 would be either. I would look at the sr325 but most say they prefer the sound of the 225 to the 325.
 
Jan 25, 2018 at 11:48 AM Post #37,333 of 65,663
That's the problem, I can't audition them in advance. I'm more or less sold on the concept and idea of the grado. Just wasn't sure if the sr80 would be a step up from my current lineup, or if the sr225 would be either. I would look at the sr325 but most say they prefer the sound of the 225 to the 325.
I think both would be a step up. Personally I did not like the 325, and if you're worried that you might not like the Grado sound, those embody the harsh qualities the line been criticized for imo. SR225 with tape mod are almost as good as RS-1 I'd go with those. You're not passing through Montreal any time soon are you? I've been to a couple of headphone shops there that have them (just to try them, I'd buy them used).
 
Jan 25, 2018 at 11:50 AM Post #37,334 of 65,663
I think both would be a step up. Personally I did not like the 325, and if you're worried that you might not like the Grado sound, those embody the harsh qualities the line been criticized for imo. SR225 with tape mod are almost as good as RS-1 I'd go with those. You're not passing through Montreal any time soon are you? I've been to a couple of headphone shops there that have them (just to try them, I'd buy them used).

No I won't be. But I am more interested in getting them use than buying new. I have found a few offers. Thanks for the reply.
 
Jan 25, 2018 at 11:58 AM Post #37,335 of 65,663
That's the problem, I can't audition them in advance. I'm more or less sold on the concept and idea of the grado. Just wasn't sure if the sr80 would be a step up from my current lineup, or if the sr225 would be either. I would look at the sr325 but most say they prefer the sound of the 225 to the 325.

When I was first dipping my toe into this hobby, a Grado fan told me: try a pair of SR60s, if you like the sound, get the best Grado you can afford and you won't regret it. Almost a decade later now, I think that has been the only good recommendation on headphones I've received.

I know you said you can't audition them, which can be tricky for someone who's just coming to Grados (or even just open headphones in general), my recommendation would be to go read this incredible Grado comparison thread (s/o ruthieandjohn for this incredible resource) and then get the pair that you think would be best for you. The differences between the Grados are noticeable but subtle. If you're just trying Grados/opens I doubt you'd like one and not another.
 

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