Chris_Himself
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I envy ER4 owners, I just heard a pair this weekend and fell in love
nah I think there is alot to do with crossovers and dyanmic style drivers still to come
The sooner universals are simply not purchased in favor of custom iems and tip will help the masses as well.
I like to see universal version of JH13Pro and then it willbe real improvement over todays highend dynamic and BA drivers IEMs.
The questions remains, can Sony do even better? Based on the thread title, that is. Maybe design-wise, they improve this lineup. Sound-wise, not so sure. They might have peaked. It will be interesting to see/hear what Sony's next release brings, whenever that might be.
ClieOS...re: improvement in simple single driver design. Very much reminds me of what Grado did with GR10 which I owned for several months. Currently playing with a pair of Triple Fi Pro's and from memory, these two phones sound incredibly similar. Very crisp, clean, airy, clear and balanced. GR10 has slightly more forward midrange, TF10 has slightly larger soundstage but other than that they sound VERY very close
^ Because of the (very) low prices of the TF10s seen in the last couple of years, they now often seem to be sonically underrated and largely ignored, but I think they're still one of the best universals out there.
I agreed with music_4321. It is all strange to see so many sudden ditched TF10 after the price drop. It is like the sound just turned sour for no reason. Well, perhaps it really isn't no reason - if there are people believe in expensive gears which must sound good, then the opposite must be true as well. However, TF10 is a masterpiece by Jerry H. in my book and that isn't going to get affected by its price tag.
Couple things. I really don't see the TF10 as a bargain for its sound. Sure it goes on a blowout sale once a year but it's still pretty pricey. You've got $100-$150 IEMs that can punch at it's weight class or better. The biggest flaws of the TF10 are fit and mids. Two huge problems to have if you want to reign in the top teir. They really have some of the most lackluster mids I've heard especially at the price. I also have it on good authority the TF10 is not a true JH piece. Sure he conceptualized the phone but never did anything further than that once Logitech got involved. The complete design and implementation is basically Logitech through and through. I also think the bass sucks tbh. Fat, one note bass, bland and boring. No natural dynamics at all. A good example of why I disliked BA's for so long. The fact that the sample I heard had a ringing in the right treble driver I could reproduce 100% of the time also didn't inspire confidence for me. Unless you are really enamored w/ it's SS it doesn't keep up w/ the Joneses for me. This is all subjective of course.