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^thanks for the link
 
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Pending the outcome of a group buy, I'll have a shiny new Meizu MX 4-core smartphone to test stuff with. ,,,. My only DAC/amp is the E17, so I'll be testing it with ... my USB -> SPDIF idea second. 
 
As far as I understand, the Android-powered Meizu MX quad-core uses another type of digital audio, digital MHL audio:
 
Meizu MX quad-core > digital MHL audio out >> (not yet available) MHL - SPDIF adapter >> SPDIF DAC
 
(Galaxy S3 > digital USB audio out >> USB DAC)
(Galaxy S3 > digital USB audio out >> USB - SPDIF adapter >> SPDIF DAC)
 
 

 
 
MHL - SPDIF adapter:
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/sound-smartphone-meizu-mx-4-core
http://cn.engadget.com/2011/12/20/meizu-mx-dlna-s-pdif-usb-host/
http://www.imjoelau.com/
 
 

 

 

 
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The MX phone specs also state OTG support, and since it comes with an OTG cable I'm interested to know if I can get two different digital out options: USB audio and SPDIF-through-MHL. According to that Innerfidelity article, the MX handles SPDIF out natively. All I need to do is rig up the adapter, or more likely commission one of our cable modders to make that USB-SPDIF cable I've mentioned. USB audio I'll probably have to set up on my own or find someone capable of kernel modding (my linux-fu is very weak).
 
Once a board like the MX guys show in the pictures becomes available I can, in theory, use the phone like a portable, impromptu desktop. OTG support lets me use USB peripherals, SPDIF out lets me run audio to a DAC, and MHL-to-HDMI would let me plug into a monitor. Cool thought, that. (Edit: reading the cn.engadget article, it looks like the USB peripherals need to be self-powered, pending a firmware update from Meizu.)
 
Since the Galaxy S3 also has MHL support, I wonder if it's possible to port over Flyme's native SPDIF out capability. Seems possible, theoretically.
 
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Ray Samuels Audio "The Intruder" confirmed working with my Galaxy Note 2, will test later with US and International S3s (but expect it will work).
 
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Thanks!
 
 
A list of standard USB DAC reportedly interworking with the Android-powered smartphone Samsung Galaxy Note II:
 
stock Galaxy Note II > digital USB audio out >> USB OTG cable (micro-A plug inserted in the Note II) >> standard USB DAC >> amp >> headphones
 
. FiiO E7 (USB DAC/amp):
http://www.headfonia.com/fiio-e7-portable-dac/
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/480#post_8771744
 
. GoVibe Magnum (USB DAC/amp):
http://www.head-fi.org/t/324577/review-govibe-magnum-usb-dac-amp
http://www.head-fi.org/t/633201/confirmed-list-of-usb-dacs-for-the-galaxy-s3-international-us-or-note-2#post_8809248
 
. HeadAmp Pico (USB DAC/amp): (via USB 2.0 hub)
http://www.headamp.com/pico/pico_dac_amp/index.htm
http://www.head-fi.org/t/625054/samsung-galaxy-note-2/30#post_8774905
 
. iBasso D12 (USB DAC/amp):
http://www.ibasso.com/en/products/show.asp?ID=63
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/405#post_8750862
 
. Leckerton UHA-6S MKII (USB DAC/amp):
http://www.leckertonaudio.com/products/uha-6s-mkii/
http://www.head-fi.org/t/625054/samsung-galaxy-note-2/30#post_8777791
 
. Objective DAC (ODAC):
http://epiphany-acoustics.co.uk/our-products/e-dac-24bit-miniature-usb-dac/
http://www.jdslabs.com/item.php?fetchitem=46
http://www.headnhifi.com/index.php/shop/objective/odac
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/435#post_8758515
 
. ODAC+O2 (USB DAC/amp):
http://epiphany-acoustics.co.uk/our-products/ehp-o2d-miniature-desktop-headphone-amplifier-with-usb-dac/
http://www.jdslabs.com/item.php?fetchitem=48
http://www.headnhifi.com/index.php/shop/objective/o2120527192048
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/435#post_8758515
 
. RSA Intruder (USB DAC/amp):
http://www.raysamuelsaudio.com/products/intruder
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/660#post_8819856
 
. Sony PHA-1 (USB DAC/amp):
http://www.touchmyapps.com/2012/10/09/sony-pha-1-idevice-dac-and-headphone-amp-in-review/
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/465#post_8769593
 
. VentureCraft Go-Dap X (USB DAC/amp):
http://venturecraft.jp/gadget_en/index.php
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/465#post_8769593
 
 
Bold: new addition to the list
 
So far, like the quad-core Exynos powered Galaxy S III, the new quad-core Exynos powered Samsung Galaxy Note II can work with the FiiO E7, the iBasso D12, Leckerton UHA-6S MKII, the ODAC and the VentureCraft Go-Dap X; has some issue with the HeadAmp Pico; and doesn’t work with the FiiO E17.
 
So, in regard to standard USB audio, the behaviour of the Galaxy Note II is likely identical to the behaviour of the Galaxy SIII.
 
 
 
A list of standard USB DAC reportedly interworking with the Android-powered smartphone Samsung Galaxy S III:
 
stock Samsung Galaxy S III > digital USB audio out >> USB OTG cable (micro-A plug inserted in the S III) >> standard USB DAC >> amp >> headphones
 
. AMB Gamma 1:
http://www.amb.org/audio/gamma1/
http://www.head-fi.org/t/608535/wolfson-dac-confirmed-for-galaxy-s3/780#post_8750043
 
. AMB Gamma 2:
http://www.amb.org/audio/gamma2/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=27247705&postcount=279
 
. Apex Glacier (USB DAC/amp):
http://www.ttvjaudio.com/Apex_High_Fi_Audio_Glacier_portable_headphone_amp_p/aaa0000010.htm
http://www.head-fi.org/t/608535/wolfson-dac-confirmed-for-galaxy-s3/825#post_8776449
 
. Asus Xonar U3 (USB DAC/amp):
http://www.asus.com/Multimedia/Audio_Cards/Xonar_U3/
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/429589-Samsung-Galaxy-S3?s=1a313fae4795a9a7493a6ce0f677ca8e&p=8551119&viewfull=1#post8551119
 
. Behringer UCA202 (USB DAC/amp):
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/UCA202.aspx
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/240#post_8654226
 
. Behringer UCA222 (USB DAC/amp):
http://www.behringer.com/en/Products/UCA222.aspx
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f6-dac-digital-analog-conversion/usb-audio-enabled-android-powered-samsung-galaxy-s-iii-12338/#post171651
 
. Beresford Caiman:
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/audio-visual/hi-fi-and-audio/hi-fi-accessories/beresford-caiman-673787/review
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f6-dac-digital-analog-conversion/usb-audio-enabled-android-powered-samsung-galaxy-s-iii-12338/#post171651
 
. C-Media chipset-based sound card Dynamode 7 channel USB 2.0 (USB DAC/amp):
http://www.chinacomputerparts.com/d-p1140199199635616900-cables/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=27604946&postcount=449
 
. Cakewalk Sonar SPS 25:
https://www.cakewalk.com/support/kb/reader.aspx/2007013101
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f6-dac-digital-analog-conversion/usb-audio-enabled-android-powered-samsung-galaxy-s-iii-12338/#post171651
 
. Corsair HS1 Gaming headset (USB DAC/amp/headphones):
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3989/corsair-hs1-gaming-headset
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=27238117#post27238117
 
. FiiO E7 (USB DAC/amp):
http://www.headfonia.com/fiio-e7-portable-dac/
http://www.androidnz.net/2012/07/galaxy-s-iii-real-user-review-part-2.html
 
. Furutech ADL Cruise (USB DAC/amp):
http://www.furutech.com/a2008/product2.asp?prodNo=399
http://www.head-fi.org/t/608535/wolfson-dac-confirmed-for-galaxy-s3/585#post_8567838
 
. GoVibe DAC:
http://jaben.net/forums/index.php?topic=2824.0
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2440879&st=500&p=53317360&#entry53317360
 
. GoVibe Mini USB DAC:
http://www.jaben.com.au/collections/go-vibe/products/govibe-minidac
http://www.head-fi.org/t/614111/finally-digital-out-for-galaxy-siii/15#post_8525675
 
. GoVibe Petite (USB DAC/amp):
http://www.head-fi.org/t/290711/govibe-petite-dac-amp-appreciation-thread-pics-little-update
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs-how-to-increase-the-issues-priority-with-google/195#post_8552452
 
. HRT HeadStreamer (USB DAC/amp):
http://highresolutiontechnologies.com/headstreamer
http://www.head-fi.org/t/608535/wolfson-dac-confirmed-for-galaxy-s3/750#post_8677483
 
. HRT Music Streamer II:
http://highresolutiontechnologies.com/music-streamer-ii
http://www.head-fi.org/t/608535/wolfson-dac-confirmed-for-galaxy-s3/465#post_8534856
 
. HeadAmp Pico (USB DAC/amp): (Exynos-based S III connected to Pico via USB 2.0 hub)
http://www.headamp.com/pico/pico_dac_amp/index.htm
http://www.head-fi.org/t/608535/wolfson-dac-confirmed-for-galaxy-s3/480#post_8539705
http://www.head-fi.org/t/608535/wolfson-dac-confirmed-for-galaxy-s3/750#post_8688938
http://www.head-fi.org/t/608535/wolfson-dac-confirmed-for-galaxy-s3/720#post_8638606
 
. HeadRoom Total BitHead (USB DAC/amp):
http://www.headphone.com/learning-center/bithead-faq.php
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs-how-to-increase-the-issues-priority-with-google/135#post_8527516
 
. HeadStage USB DAC cable:
http://www.inearmatters.net/2010/04/short-review-headstage-usb-dac-cable.html
http://www.headphiles.org/index.php/topic,4452.msg241979.html#msg241979
 
. HiFiMan Express HM-101:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/571330/hifiman-express-brand-and-hm-101-portable-usb-dac
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=27284184&postcount=291
 
. iBasso D-Zero (USB DAC/amp):
http://www.ibasso.com/en/products/show.asp?ID=73
http://neutronmp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=314&start=20#p1636
 
. iBasso D2 Boa (USB DAC/amp):
http://www.ibasso.com/en/products/show.asp?ID=30
http://www.head-fi.org/t/552014/pictures-of-your-portable-rig-part-xv/5535#post_8509186
 
. iBasso D2+ Boa (USB DAC/amp):
http://www.ibasso.com/en/products/show.asp?ID=42
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f6-dac-digital-analog-conversion/usb-audio-enabled-android-powered-samsung-galaxy-s-iii-12338/#post171651
 
. iBasso D5 (USB DAC/amp):
http://www.head-fi.org/t/556490/ibasso-d5-hj-yet-another-usb-dac-amp
http://www.head-fi.org/t/614111/finally-digital-out-for-galaxy-siii#post_8462693
 
. iBasso D10 (USB DAC/amp):
http://www.ibasso.com/en/products/show.asp?ID=39
http://www.head-fi.org/t/628374/samsung-galaxy-s3-to-dac-usb-micro-b-male-to-mini-b-male#post_8735134
 
. iBasso D12 (USB DAC/amp):
http://www.ibasso.com/en/products/show.asp?ID=63
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=29069294&postcount=924
 
. iQube v2 (USB DAC/amp):
http://www.i-qube.nl/index.php?id=24
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?s=6fe26080d10769d0f785157c83e74465&p=31207282&postcount=1268
 
. JH Audio JH-3A (USB DSP/DAC/amp/JH16 CIEM):
http://www.jhaudio.com/product/jh-3a-dsp-amp-jh16-pro-custom-ear-monitor
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/585#post_8799910
 
. Jabra GN 5035 (USB headset):
http://reviews.cnet.com/headsets/jabra-gn5035-headset/4505-13831_7-32462996.html
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=33203364&postcount=1368
 
. KingRex UD-01:
http://www.kingrex.co.uk/dac.html
https://www.facebook.com/headfonia/posts/352787358128700
 
. Leckerton UHA-4 (USB DAC/amp):
http://www.leckertonaudio.com/products/uha-4/
http://www.head-fi.org/t/536982/leckerton-audio-slimline-uha-4/1020#post_8773152
 
. Leckerton UHA-6S MKII (USB DAC/amp):
http://www.leckertonaudio.com/products/uha-6s-mkii/
http://www.head-fi.org/t/602493/new-leckerton-uha-6s-mkii-portable-headphone-amplifier-announced-update-user-impressions-added-july-20th-2012/435#post_8698006
 
. M-Audio Duo USB Audio Interface:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/oct02/articles/maudio.asp
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/540#post_8788814
 
. Matrix Mini-i (USB DAC/amp):
http://www.headfonia.com/matrix-mini-i-balanced-dac/
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/465#post_8768166
 
. Microsoft Philips Digital Sound System 80 (USB DAC/amp/speakers):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Sound_System_80
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1703218
 
[size=10pt]. Microsoft LifeChat LX-3000 (USB headset):[/size]
http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-au/p/lifechat-lx-3000/JUG-00003
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32899845&postcount=1355
 
. NuForce Icon HDP (USB DAC/amp):
http://www.nuforce.com/hp/products/iconhdp/index.php
http://www.head-fi.org/t/608535/wolfson-dac-confirmed-for-galaxy-s3/585#post_8567838
 
. NuForce Icon Mobile (USB DAC/amp):
http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/nuforce10/mobile.html
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/435#post_8759826
 
. Objective DAC (ODAC):
http://epiphany-acoustics.co.uk/our-products/e-dac-24bit-miniature-usb-dac/
http://www.jdslabs.com/item.php?fetchitem=46
http://www.headnhifi.com/index.php/shop/objective/odac
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/315#post_8707637
 
. ODAC+O2 (USB DAC/amp):
http://epiphany-acoustics.co.uk/our-products/ehp-o2d-miniature-desktop-headphone-amplifier-with-usb-dac/
http://www.jdslabs.com/item.php?fetchitem=48
http://www.headnhifi.com/index.php/shop/objective/o2120527192048
http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=410941392302962&id=164588276945555
 
. Ordnance .25 (USB DAC/amp):
http://jaben.net/forums/index.php?topic=9984.0
http://www.head-fi.org/t/614111/finally-digital-out-for-galaxy-siii#post_8462693
 
. RSA Intruder (USB DAC/amp):
http://www.raysamuelsaudio.com/products/intruder
http://www.head-fi.org/t/627080/new-balanced-portable-amp-from-rsa-w-dac/30#post_8781567
 
. RSA Predator (USB DAC/amp):
http://www.raysamuelsaudio.com/products/predator
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/150#post_8538933
 
. Stoner Acoustics UD100:
http://stoneracoustics.blogspot.fr/
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2452730&st=160&p=54596977&#entry54596977
 
. Syba SD-AUD20101:
http://www.sybausa.com/productInfo.php?iid=1191
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/375#post_8736082
 
. Topping D1 Mark 2 (USB DAC/amp):
http://bit.ly/PBMwsx
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=28673076&postcount=871
 
. Topping D2 (USB DAC/amp):
http://www.mightybigword.com/tnt/2012/03/topping-d2-dac-review/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32920194&postcount=1357
 
. Topping TP30 (USB DAC/amp):
http://news.cnet.com/8300-5_3-0.html?keyword=Topping+TP-30
http://www.androidnz.net/2012/05/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-usb-audio.html
 
. VentureCraft Go-Dap X (USB DAC/amp):
http://venturecraft.jp/gadget_jp/gdx.php
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/315#post_8708233
 
. xDuoo XP-1 (USB DAC/amp):
http://bit.ly/UYfTGB
http://bit.ly/Yda7jf
 
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Galaxy S3 works with Meier Cantate.2, using Neutron Media Player, however there are SQ issues:

1) Neutron MP X-Feed on, default settings : seems to lack dynamics, a bit too dark-sounding tonally ; some notes sound hollow, vs notebook/desktopPC/iPad2+CCK (all of which sound identical)

2) Neutron MP X-Feed off, Meier analog X-Feed off : sounds too thin and still lacks dynamics; more hollow sound on percussion

3) Neutron MP X-Feed off, Meier analog X-Feed on : closer to normal sources' sound, but is more like a cheaper CDP/DAC using the same DAC chip and similar output stage with lower voltage vs the better version of the CDP/DAC using similar hardware
 
 
What gives?! It sounds normal on the D-Zero driving headphones or feeding my Swans 1080MkII, with or without the ambiophonic processing (with it though the stage gets deeper and percussion more solid and images better between the speakers)
 
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Has anyone tried Kingrex T20U with Samsung Galaxy S3? Is there any reason to think that it shouldn't work?
 
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Galaxy S3 works with Meier Cantate.2, using Neutron Media Player, however there are SQ issues:

1) Neutron MP X-Feed on, default settings : seems to lack dynamics, a bit too dark-sounding tonally ; some notes sound hollow, vs notebook/desktopPC/iPad2+CCK (all of which sound identical)

2) Neutron MP X-Feed off, Meier analog X-Feed off : sounds too thin and still lacks dynamics; more hollow sound on percussion

3) Neutron MP X-Feed off, Meier analog X-Feed on : closer to normal sources' sound, but is more like a cheaper CDP/DAC using the same DAC chip and similar output stage with lower voltage vs the better version of the CDP/DAC using similar hardware
 
 
What gives?! It sounds normal on the D-Zero driving headphones or feeding my Swans 1080MkII, with or without the ambiophonic processing (with it though the stage gets deeper and percussion more solid and images better between the speakers)
You try a powered hub? Could be power issues
 
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You try a powered hub? Could be power issues
 
Nope. According to an email exchange with Dr.Meier the Cantate is a completely self-powered design. In the manual it also says the voltage swing is slightly lower with the USB input than on the RCA input; I jsut assumed it must be because the USB DAC shares the single PSU with the amp. So basically, I never got one; the S3 worked with the D-Zero too, but I only borrowed that one.
 
All the same I'll see if I can borrow a powered hub; can it feed power back to the S3? Because if its a power issue I'm 99% certain it's not the amp, unless the miniscule current it draws from the USB input to power the indicator lamp in front is too much for the phone. Then again, it wasn't an issue with the D-Zero.

 
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Galaxy S3 works with Meier Cantate.2, using Neutron Media Player, however there are SQ issues:
 
How about Poweramp Music Player (trial)?
https://play.google.com/store/search?q=poweramp
 
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All the same I'll see if I can borrow a powered hub; can it feed power back to the S3? 
 
It's possible to charge the S3 while driving a USB DAC:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/405#post_8748466
 
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Nope. According to an email exchange with Dr.Meier the Cantate is a completely self-powered design. In the manual it also says the voltage swing is slightly lower with the USB input than on the RCA input; I jsut assumed it must be because the USB DAC shares the single PSU with the amp. So basically, I never got one; the S3 worked with the D-Zero too, but I only borrowed that one.
 
All the same I'll see if I can borrow a powered hub; can it feed power back to the S3? Because if its a power issue I'm 99% certain it's not the amp, unless the miniscule current it draws from the USB input to power the indicator lamp in front is too much for the phone. Then again, it wasn't an issue with the D-Zero.
Then I really have no idea... 
 
And it sounds fine when using it from a PC?
 
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How about Poweramp Music Player (trial)?
https://play.google.com/store/search?q=poweramp
 
 
It's possible to charge the S3 while driving a USB DAC:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/405#post_8748466
 
Oooh missed that! Looks like I'll commission a custom DIY dock for it then; at the very least it makes a nice "load the phone on it and start the speakers for BGM" system.
 
I'll try Poweramp when I get home, but without Crossfeed to see if it does better than Meier's hardware crossfeed, I probably won't pay for the full version considering the iPad has a proper stand. Unless the DIY-ed dock looks better than expected while I get OC enough (white phone+white dock vs black tablet+white dock next to a silver amp - kind of like when I was so annoyed by a champagne Marantz amp next to a black Marantz CDP).
 
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Then I really have no idea... 
 
And it sounds fine when using it from a PC?
 
And the iPad2. That's what's weird. And if I boost the software volume up to max, even with no processing, it still sounds unnatural. But only on the darned Meier amp, which works fine with everything else. Nuts!
 
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Add a cross against the iBasso DB2.
 
Tried different ROM,s and kernels but no luck at all. Waiting for a fix if possible.
 
 
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