[jpelg]

Any comparisons of the Sennheiser HD650 to another headphone far outside its general pricepoint is primarily for reference. The HD650/600/580 headphone is a well-known product of which many people are familiar, if not actually owned. This establishes common ground as basis for evaluating the other product.

 

[Sovkiller]

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Originally Posted by jpelg /img/forum/go_quote.gif Any comparisons of the Sennheiser HD650 to another headphone far outside its general pricepoint is primarily for reference. The HD650/600/580 headphone is a well-known product of which many people are familiar, if not actually owned. This establishes common ground as basis for evaluating the other product.

Is there any comparison made for any other purpose other than to serve as a reference for others???

Anyway, whatever...

 

[jpelg]

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Originally Posted by Sovkiller /img/forum/go_quote.gif Is there any comparison made for any other purpose other than to serve as a reference for others???

I said "primary reason". Of course there are others, Al.

The thing is that if a less expensive headphone performs well against a more expensive headphone, it will be considered an especially good value.

Comparisons of equally-priced products is just plain fair.

However, if a more expensive headphone performs better against a lower priced one, well...it just should.

 

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[Dexdexter]

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Originally Posted by tbritton /img/forum/go_quote.gif I need to look for some comparison posts again comparing the Proline 750 and 2500 differences in sound. Same drivers and positioning, just open vs closed. Does it make that big a difference? (Just an academic curiosity, as open cans would not serve my needs at all - well... except as a very pleasurable thing to own! But, I'm interested, nonetheless!)

Hey Terry,

I've had my PROline 2500 for a couple of months now, but there have been occasions when Mrs. Dex objects to the sound leaking from them.

So when the after-Holiday sales came 'round here in Belgium, I finally picked up a pair of PROline 750 that I'd had my eye on for some time (along with a pair of scandalously-cheap HFI-2200 ULE

; both for far less than the 750 list price alone

).

I have just completed the burn-in on both and although it's early days yet, I can say that while the 2500 and 750 obviously share many of the same signature qualities, the difference between their respective open and closed-back designs is real and interesting, pretty much as one might expect comparing any other like-driver'd open/closed cans.

In short, the 2500s provide an ease of listening and spaciousness beyond that offered by the 750s, good though they are. Detail retrieval is about the same, but the extra breathing room afforded by the 2500 allows them to seem slightly less bright. Likewise bass and midrange are fuller and more natural sounding. I hope to do some more in-depth comparisons in the near-future.

Mind you, these are only the briefest impressions between the two and by no means reflect upon the 750 as stand-alone closed-back cans, and they may be more readily understood as degrees of nuance. I can also say that the PROline 750 are in quite another league from my HFI-650 (which I use in my portable rig), as well they should be. I'm thrilled to have them on-board as another killer option for those times when an open-back headphone just won't do.

So, Terry, if you're at all inclined to give the 2500s a go strictly for pleasure-listening, I think you will be pleasantly surprised by the little extras that they offer!

Dex

 

[Dexdexter]

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Originally Posted by superman's ears /img/forum/go_quote.gif So the first conclusion is that the descriptions from many first time users are correct. Ultrasone out of the box sound ordinary. That's the truth.

Correction. Ultrasone out of the box sound worse than ordinary. And on top of that, there's the offset driver orientation to contend with. And that's why Ultrasones are absolutely not the brand for anyone seeking instant gratification!

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Originally Posted by superman's ears /img/forum/go_quote.gif By the way: I don't know but I assume that the new Edition 9 headphones are old Edition 7 ones. Maybe they have sold only a 500 hundred and not all the 999 pieces. New cable, new colour for the earpads, new case.

Oh, dear, this should be worth a few pages from Alberto!

 

[Sovkiller]

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Originally Posted by superman's ears /img/forum/go_quote.gif The Edition 7 and 9 are now in my house together with the Proline 2500 and Proline 750. The Edition 9 (from gaijin) - used only a few hours - are not burned-in. I connected Edition 9, started the music and ... none of the magic I know from the Edition 7. Same signature of course, but that's all. At this time they are a pair of 300 Euro headphones. Well, when I've bought the Proline 2500 new, it was the same. But after a burn-in - and I was a non-burn-in-believer till then - I think they will shine like the Edition 7 do. So the first conclusion is that the descriptions from many first time users are correct. Ultrasone out of the box sound ordinary. That's the truth. And I know that it is not easy to understand that the sound (not the Ultrasone house signature) will change that much. But it does with my Proline 2500 headphones - and in two weeks we will know whether this will have happened again with the Edition 9! !!!! Don't judge before the Ultrasone headphones are fully burned-in !!!! By the way: I don't know but I assume that the new Edition 9 headphones are old Edition 7 ones. Maybe they have sold only a 500 hundred and not all the 999 pieces. New cable, new colour for the earpads, new case.

Rudi own both as well, his pair of Edition7, that happen to be Wayne's, is on the 700+ order, IIRC, so at least they sold 700+ units, so do not understimate them...LOL...and he told me that they sound identical, so give them time, they will change, and I know they change, a lot...just a pic for your pleasure:

 

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[Sovkiller]

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Originally Posted by superman's ears /img/forum/go_quote.gif The serial number on the Edition 7 was on the case and on the cable, but not on the headphones themselves! And what has Ultrasone now changed: Cable and case I assume: They have sold 100 from 999 Edition 7 worldwide. The other 899 are changed in Edition 9 now. And when the 899 will be sold, Ultrasone will stop the Edition line. And the new line (still with the Edition drivers) will be much more comfortable. Hopefully!

Really, guys? Where did you get that info? From a reliable source, or are you speculating?....AFAIK Ultrasone sells the heapdhones to the dealers of course at dealers cost, I don't know to what extend a dealer will order an amount (and pay for it) imposible to sell from such expensive item, that issimply stupid, my guess is that they ordered them while they get an order...The Edition 9 batches are really small, I'm assuming that the 7 at that time was even smaller...And AFAIK Ultrasone do not take back the Editions as those are special ordered items, non returnable. From their website: "Item can not be returned. All sales final"

BTW the Edition drivers, are exactly the same as the ones used in the PROLines...

 

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[jpelg]

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Originally Posted by Sovkiller /img/forum/go_quote.gif AFAIK Ultrasone sells the heapdhones to the dealers of course at dealers cost,

Do you know that for certain? And if so, how?

 

[Sovkiller]

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Originally Posted by superman's ears /img/forum/go_quote.gif Speculating, not more.

Be careful with these speculations, there are a lot of people in this board, eager to convert the speculations into facts, not sure why???....It is not the fist time this happen...

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Originally Posted by superman's ears /img/forum/go_quote.gif I assume: They have sold 100 from 999 Edition 7 worldwide. The other 899 are changed in Edition 9 now. And when the 899 will be sold, Ultrasone will stop the Edition line. And the new line (still with the Edition drivers) will be much more comfortable. Hopefully!

I just made it mention again to the fact that they use the same drivers again as you seem to differentiate the Edition drivers from others, as stated above....maybe I misunderstood your post...

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Originally Posted by jpelg /img/forum/go_quote.gif Do you know that for certain? And if so, how?

Curiosity killed the cat!!!!

Good James, logic indicates that if they do not offer the dealers a discount on the price, how the hell they will get the profits, I do not know of any brand that gives the dealers and distributors full MSRP, do you???

 

[tbritton]

...gee, and I thought my post about the "gotcha's" one could experience from the S-Logic pinnea-related listening system were going to be considered so ravishingly controversial! They harvested nary a peep of response! I guess timing was bad for that [really very controversial sounding] post...

(I edited my own review to point to those additional observations as a continuance. For the searchers to find someday.)

Terry

 

[jpelg]

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Originally Posted by Sovkiller /img/forum/go_quote.gif logic indicates that if they do not offer the dealers a discount on the price, how the hell they will get the profits, I do not know of any brand that gives the dealers and distributors full MSRP, do you???

Of course dealers get their special cost - not the point. Your post indicated that you knew how Ultrasone handled distribution to their dealers.

So it seems that you too are speculating.