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Mar 24, 2022 at 2:42 AM Post #16,831 of 89,851
Somebody must buy first hand to fuel the second hand market…

Over half of all the gear owned by people in this thread was originally purchased by the same 3 people.

In other news I dug out some of my DSD albums that I wasn't able to listen to on the M8 and all I can say is wow...it doesn't get any better than EXT & M9 for me right now.

My favorite master of Dark Side of the Moon (and I've heard many):

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Love that screen :)
 
Mar 24, 2022 at 2:45 AM Post #16,832 of 89,851
@Rockwell75 - been a while since I've listened to Lemon Jelly, definitely need to revisit - fantastic memories of them in the early 00s, real upbeat / summer vibes.

Another that springs to mind in a similar vein is Casino Versus Japan, every album a gem but I really adore his first - 'Go Hawaii', another perfect album for the summer, highly recommended.

https://tidal.com/album/56559140


Love this thread. Sure, it's got loads of chat on hardware but loads of good music posted as well which is why we're all here. I've screened a load of these now and looking forward to a tidal listening session when I'm back home! :gs1000smile:
 
Mar 24, 2022 at 3:13 AM Post #16,833 of 89,851
If I had a knob like that I'd be showing it off to everyone.

🤭
I’m under-an-hour away from demoing it myself at my local audio store, so that shot may be coming sooner than later… albeit from an iPhone. :wink:
Woooo! Looking forward to your impressions (and photos!)
 
Mar 24, 2022 at 3:24 AM Post #16,835 of 89,851
Ha, if only it was that simple :sweat_smile: I listened a bit further with Orphy and if im honest, I prefer the stock cable with EXT. I think the Orpheus takes EXT a little too far in that musical direction tonally. It's like adding sugar on an already sickly-sweet dessert. Too much sweetness and you lose the balance.
And there I was about to pick one up :beyersmile:

Orphy market crashes on back of shocking revelation - too much soap opera?
 
Mar 24, 2022 at 3:24 AM Post #16,836 of 89,851
It's going to be a breakneck meetup with all the different gear...I hope I'll be able to form coherent impressions.
Woop woop point for the M9 :p

Let's take a minute to remember this legend:

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Whatever impressions you can muster will be like gold for the rest of us who can only live vicariously through your (and many others) impressions!

The race between N8ii and M9 and neck-and-neck. Looks like it will be a photo finish!

What an amazing picture that is. Had me LMAO!!

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@Rockwell75 i gotta try and get a nice knob shot for you 😆 trying to get one with the tubes seems hard for an amateur like me. Maybe someone needs to ship one to @Deezel177 or @gLer 😂
Memes of the week!

Love this thread. Sure, it's got loads of chat on hardware but loads of good music posted as well which is why we're all here. I've screened a load of these now and looking forward to a tidal listening session when I'm back home! :gs1000smile:
Forget discovery of music on Spotify, Tidal or Qobuz. The 'cooler is where it's at!!
 
Mar 24, 2022 at 3:35 AM Post #16,837 of 89,851
Somebody must buy first hand to fuel the second hand market…
‘True, but you can still get fantastic images out of, say, the Canon 5DMKIII I’m using, and there are dozens of those in the used market.

🤭

Woooo! Looking forward to your impressions (and photos!)
Let us begin…

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Mar 24, 2022 at 3:42 AM Post #16,838 of 89,851
And there I was about to pick one up :beyersmile:

Orphy market crashes on back of shocking revelation - too much soap opera?
Well, I think I’ll still take the plunge lol I’m truly damned
 
Mar 24, 2022 at 3:44 AM Post #16,839 of 89,851
Well, I think I’ll still take the plunge lol I’m truly damned
There is no hope for a lot of us!

Thankfully, I have zero ways of demoing this cable so it can't cast its spell on me.
 
Mar 24, 2022 at 3:48 AM Post #16,840 of 89,851
If you were in SG, I would arrange a demo session. I’m still saving up, so we’ll see, maybe I’ll change my mind tow the end 💁‍♀️
 
Mar 24, 2022 at 3:53 AM Post #16,841 of 89,851
If you were in SG, I would arrange a demo session. I’m still saving up, so we’ll see, maybe I’ll change my mind tow the end 💁‍♀️
Which IEM do you plan to pair with your future Orphy? And will you go for a shielded one? 😉
 
Mar 24, 2022 at 3:59 AM Post #16,842 of 89,851
Hehe definitely not over yet :sunglasses: I A/B'd the DX300 Max Ti & N8ii with XE6 and the Max Ti was the clear winner for me. N8ii still sounded great, but compared with Max Ti, it came across overly clean, lacking character and somewhat boring imho.

M9 and DX300 Max Ti are so vastly different in sound signature that I don't even like comparing them. They are both Summit-level sound DAPs with two different flavours. Max Ti for the clarity, resolution, stage and detail. M9 for musicality, immersion and texture.
Thank you! I was kind of hoping, you would reply something like that. First of all because it is in some way consistent with what I felt / heard, but even more so, because after all the N8ii hype at the beginning I thought: "what if Cayin really produced the player that rules them all?". What about Watercooler and all this, if we did find THE end game player? Well this fear hast past. It will stay interesting and I need to reserve an hour a day to read here. Uff ...

So while walking this morning I came to an idea, that I would like to bring up here. My thinking was inspired by this post:
I am like a 7:3 in terms of musicality vs clarity.

Speaking of which, if the old 1Z is 8:2, then M9 is around 6:4, and the new one is around 6.5:3.5/7:3, comparatively speaking. Just a ratio - the number is not representing actual technical performance being better/worse.

What about if we try a tiny and of course still very subjective overall rating off the TOTL DAPs that just sums up our overall feeling in something like
1. "clarity" which consists of clarity, resolution, stage and detail (not a fan of calling it "technicalities" since it sounds judging. Music is more then "technical" also for those who prefer better "clarity")
2. "musicality" which consists of flow of music, immersion and texture, "magic", ...
These are the terms, that I (we) used for 30 years now having come from record player / loud speaker Hifi. (Linn Glasgow TOTL stuff, some of which I still have)
The terms could still be the same, although we deal with different issues (mechanical issues vs. digital issues like Jitter etc.). Power btw. was and will always be an issue.
So often in all this years and hundreds of serious comparisons we had the conclusion, that A "sounded" better ("sound" = "clarity"), but B made more "music". And this curse seems to continue in the digital world.
Anyways, since we already agreed, that finally it is about preferences and that we to some point also concluded, that "clarity" vs. "musicality" is one of the main preference, why not try a little simplification?

So I give it a go for my last experince:
M9 --> 8/10 (clarity/musicality) IMO
M8 -->7/9
3MAX -->10/8 (in Mango mode)
220MAX -->9/7 (in Mango mode)
(all with EXT and local music. Result might be different if I would do streaming)
... anyone feels like adding N8ii or WM1Z to that list? ...

M15 was like 8/6 (from memory)

If necessary one day we can go higher than 10 :)
 
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Mar 24, 2022 at 4:25 AM Post #16,843 of 89,851
‘True, but you can still get fantastic images out of, say, the Canon 5DMKIII I’m using, and there are dozens of those in the used market.


Let us begin…

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Ooo! Knob profile!
 
Mar 24, 2022 at 4:36 AM Post #16,844 of 89,851
Slowly adding to the list as I come across songs that wow'd me with the IE900. However this was composited before the WA8 landed. In audio-nirvana currently with 3Max Ultimate + WA8~ My perfect transportable setup. (Still prefer just using APM or BFP on the go, so "portable" doesn't matter as much)

C9 didn't bring much to the table for me, but the WA8 was a significantly different experience.

 
Mar 24, 2022 at 4:58 AM Post #16,845 of 89,851
Eh.. these take some getting used to... :) Let the (brain) burn in begin!

Wow, I cannot believe how much these opened up in the first few hours. They sounded muddy and veiled to me at first. I am convinced this is a large part physical burn in. The difference is too big and the time too short to attribute it to brain burn in.

I am starting to reaaaally like these IEMs... :)

EDIT: I tried various tips but in the end I got back to my starting point: Azla Crystals. If these tips did not exist I would not be able to enjoy the IEM side of this hobby as much as I do... :pray:
 
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