[pataburd]

 I thought that the DT880/600 midrange was fuller and better integrated than the (2005) 250 ohm version.  That said, however, the DT880/600 still have a lean midrange, and I would venture to say slightly tilted to the upper midrange.  For example, when a/b-ed against the PRO2500, the DT880/600 sound thin and treblesome in the mids by comparison.
 
Overall, I found the 600 ohm version better integrated across the entire frequency spectrum than the (2005) 250 ohm version, too.

 

[stang]

I find that while mids are very, very important, just like my UM3X, the bass and upper frequencies make up for the neutrality (dare I say recessed?) of the mid frequencies. You can always use an EQ anyway. 

 

[mibutenma]

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That said, however, the DT880/600 still have a lean midrange, and I would venture to say slightly tilted to the upper midrange.  For example, when a/b-ed against the PRO2500, the DT880/600 sound thin and treblesome in the mids by comparison.
 
 

I hear it too versus my Ultrasone PRO 2500 as well.
I would say the DT 880/600 simply has more treble.
The Pro 2500 doesn't have the slight treble push but instead has beefier mids and in the end just sounds better.
 
But some people might like the brighter treble.
But the PRO 2500 less treble push and fuller mids is a better way to do it to me.
 
 
 

 

[nickchen]

I would say the DT880'600 has the best mids of all Beyers out there (incl. T1), but not quite as good as higher tier AKGs and Alessandros. The gap isn't huge any more though, and it gets more than compensated by its other qualities. Whenever I switch over from my MS Pro, I miss a bit warmth and body for a short while, but I'm immediatly in awe of its bone dry precision and PRaT.

 

[pataburd]

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I would say the DT880'600 has the best mids of all Beyers out there (incl. T1), but not quite as good as higher tier AKGs and Alessandros. The gap isn't huge any more though, and it gets more than compensated by its other qualities. Whenever I switch over from my MS Pro, I miss a bit warmth and body for a short while, but I'm immediatly in awe of its bone dry precision and PRaT.

My experience a/b-ing the DT880/600 and the T1 concur with your comment about the DT880/600 having better mids.  My K501 are still the reigning midrange champs, though, one tier ahead of the Pro2500 and two tiers above the DT880/600.

 

 

[nickchen]

Never heared the Pro 2500, and I never had it on my radar. A payable Ultrasone with mids worth mentioning, never thought that such a creature exists... 

 

[wyki]

Another gorgeous headphone for midrange is the Sennheiser HD 530, a 300 ohm ancestor to the HD 560, HD 580/600/650.  The HD 530 shines with chamber music; it isn't as good as the HD 600 with symphonies, with spatial sense, or with deep bass, or highest treble.  I haven't heard the K 501.  It's too bad that in quest for extremes the headphone makers have neglected what they once did so well.   Sennheiser actually comes close in the $100 HD 448 (but it's not the equal of the old HD 530). 

 

[MacedonianHero]

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My experience a/b-ing the DT880/600 and the T1 concur with your comment about the DT880/600 having better mids.  My K501 are still the reigning midrange champs, though, one tier ahead of the Pro2500 and two tiers above the DT880/600.

 

Wow...the exact opposite for me. The DT880/600's mids are still recessed (though not as bad as the other variants), the T1's mids are forward and lush. Their mids rival the LCD-2s for the best I've heard.

 

[Zombie_X]

I can say that IMO the T1 has a lot more midrange presence than any other beyer I have heard.

 

[nickchen]

The question is how define midrange and presence.
 
I personally would say the T1 is a shrill presence monster and and does only work-to-rule in the midrange, but if you baptize that presence partially as "upper mids" you may also regard a T1 as mids heavy.
 
However, that presence/upper midrange thing makes the DT880'600 a lot more musical than the T1 IMO.

 

[Skylab]

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Wow...the exact opposite for me. The DT880/600's mids are still recessed (though not as bad as the other variants), the T1's mids are forward and lush. Their mids rival the LCD-2s for the best I've heard.

Same here, so I guess it's a matter of perspective.  While I liked the 880/600 quite a bit, I did think the mids were just a touch recessed still, an issue I do not have at all with the T1.

 

[apatN]

Skylab, you really should try the DT880 CB...

 

[nickchen]

I severely doubt he is a tinkerer...

 

[Skylab]

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I severely doubt he is a tinkerer...

I've removed Beyer drivers and soldered in different drivers from the same housing - seems to me that's tougher than the closed-back mods.
 
But I don't own DT880's anymore.

 

[nickchen]

No offence, I did not doubt your ability or braveness, just had the impression that you can't be bothered, as you tend to be more active in new stuff threads than in tinker stuff threads