Aug 19, 2010 at 9:20 AM Post #751 of 1,380
oh the PFE in particular im sure (not that ive heard it) isnt a bad IEM, like ive said many times i think calling something FOTM doesnt mean it is a bad product just that it currently whats popular and being talked about.  most things go through i stage of being new and shiney and in receipt of much love.  then something newer and shineyer comes out and we flock to it.  its just haw people are, new is interesting and there is anly so long one item can be spoken about before its all been said.
 
and benny, you have cheerleaders where you are?  your quite welcome to help yourself to my share if you like.
 
Aug 19, 2010 at 9:50 AM Post #752 of 1,380


I can also now confirm what I've been sensing for some time now: namely that too many things written in these forums tend to be exaggerated, and very much dependent on factors such as the all too familiar FOTM. Our ears, at least mine, become used to a particular type of sound fairly quickly and I feel quite a few people often, unknowingly, deceive themselves believing they've found a new 'holy grail', that is until the next new toy comes round. I strongly believe as well that the influence of so many of these posts cannot be underestimated.



you are spot on.without anyone jumping at me,this thread and the previous locked one are hyped.very few rational opinions were written and as James-444 said,we should read between the lines and read the more unbiased opinions.
 
sm3 reminds me of ck10 and um3x thread. those two particular threads were pure fanboyism and unfortunatly because of this,ck10 and um3x owners didnt want to write or admit their faults and in the end i and i am sure others payed the expensive price.
 
so i want to thank music,James,DFKT,shigzeo,soozieq,cn11.......and others for writing an honest "rattional impressions".i am not thanking them because they wrote anything negative about the sm3,but because they took the time to write valid impressions and comparisons.
 
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True, of such is the stuff of Head-Fi.  I've been guilty of new toy enthusiasm myself, so one must always temper, but not discount, the first impressions of most anything.


i hope this is not the case with the lcd2 thread because if it is,i will hunt you down if all your comments were just fanboyism(which i doubt,maybe a bit over-enthusiasm)
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Aug 19, 2010 at 9:51 AM Post #753 of 1,380
Sadly, the only cheerleaders are the metaphorical ones that come out to play when the SM3s are in my ears mate. Now, if Franck ever decides to start shipping them with real ladies with pom poms, I'm sure this thread would soon become pretty well subscribed....
 
I am resisting the temptation to make a joke about dual flanges at this point.
 
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oh the PFE in particular im sure (not that ive heard it) isnt a bad IEM, like ive said many times i think calling something FOTM doesnt mean it is a bad product just that it currently whats popular and being talked about.  most things go through i stage of being new and shiney and in receipt of much love.  then something newer and shineyer comes out and we flock to it.  its just haw people are, new is interesting and there is anly so long one item can be spoken about before its all been said.
 
and benny, you have cheerleaders where you are?  your quite welcome to help yourself to my share if you like.

 
Aug 19, 2010 at 9:59 AM Post #754 of 1,380

 
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Thanks for your frank impressions. I'm quoting your post from the SE535 thread here, because my question concerns the SM3 vs. UM3X. Would you care to elaborate in which aspects the UM3X are clearly better than the SM3? I've never heard the UM3X and tbo never considered them seriously, because of their reportedly narrow soundstage (an absolute no-go for me), but frankly I'm quite surprised by your unambiguous assessment. The SM3 are a bit too mid-forward and warmish for me, but from what I've read about the UM3X I thought these two would share a similar sound signature.


You may want to wait a few more days for a fresh & fairer comparison.

Having said that, I've said a number of times already that the UM3X SQ-wise come close to my ES3X (85%-90%), and that although the ES3X has always sounded better, every time I tried my old UM3X, it was never a case of "God, what a difference, what a disappointment" as I've had just now when comparing both the 535s & SM3s.

I'm not prone to getting technical - perhaps I just lack the skills - but in a nutshell, the SM3s have a thick veil (is there such a thing a s a thick veil?) all over them.

I've said many times that with regards to tips being used, the only ones that have always worked for me with the SE530, W3, UM3X, IE8, SE535 & SM3 are the soft silicone tips - these have been the only ones that have come closest to my customs and provided the best seal, isolation and comfort.

With the UM3X I never heard the small (even called 'claustrophobic' by someone, I believe) soundstage reported by some.

A tendency I've also noticed -- and this is going back to the way these forums function -- is that the moment one or two 'respected' or popular posters make a claim, there's a considerable 'following' of such a view and then certain things soon become a given.

Everybody commented on the incredible instrument separation and details delivered by the UM3X; suddenly this seemingly excellent aspect became 'clinical' or 'cold' by a couple of people. My ears love such detail, find the sound even more exciting, and find an overall fuller enveloping sound, ie more involving & cohesive coming from the UM3X. Is that a big soundstage? Well, I hear all IEM's sound coming from within my head, but some rendering that sound in a fuller, more convincing way. It's my brain that paints a small theatre/ club picture, making this soundstage widen. That's, at least, how I think it works for me.

The W3, as far as I can remember, sounded even fuller and more involving, but only at first, the bass and treble being more prominent made them fatiguing relatively easily at higher volumes only after about an hour. But a couple of people did go back from the UM3X to the W3 and preferred the 'more exciting' sound of the W3 - not me.

The most astonishing thing for me was the incredible sound I was getting from the UM3X but never, ever being fatiguing. And even though I wasn't wowed at first, coming from the W3, 30 mins or so into my first listening session I was wowed in a very different kind of way -- no fatigue and great sound! I could just not put them down for 6 consecutive hours.

I then received my final ES3X re-fit and that's when I felt (high-end) customs were overrated, after what I was getting out of my UM3X.

Some people even complained about the lack of 'sparkle' in the high frequencies;  well, they would absolutely loathe the SM3's treble, I think. This is what my ears keep telling me. Yet, others found the mids too forward, too "in your face". To me, the UM3X mids are the best I've come across. But for someone used to a more V-shaped type of sound, they'll find the mids forward.

Bass extended quite low without becoming boomy, it had impact and clarity. And the treble, again from memory, had all the detail I was looking for -- OK, not like my customs but better than any other universal I've heard.
 
 
Aug 19, 2010 at 10:10 AM Post #757 of 1,380
So CK10 and the UM3X fans are pure fanboys, nothing less. Wow, I can see how taken you are with your own views. Many, many people love both of those IEMs. I didn't care for the UM3x, but I did like the CK10s, just could not get a good fit.
 
You thank Shigzeo for being rational and honest, and then you slam anyone who likes the CK10s as a fanboy. Well, check over some of Nathan's reviews, especially the CK10. I think you will find he rates it among the best, if not THE best, universal IEM he has heard. So is he a trusted source or a fanboy?
 
As for the UM3X, plenty of people like them, and they are not crazy cult members or fanboys.
 
Your assertion that the CK10 and the UM3X threads are purely driven by fanboyism is nothing more than arrogance on your part. It needs to be said.
 
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you are spot on.without anyone jumping at me,this thread and the previous locked one are hyped.very few rational opinions were written and as James-444 said,we should read between the lines and read the more unbiased opinions.
 
sm3 reminds me of ck10 and um3x thread. those two particular threads were pure fanboyism and unfortunatly because of this,ck10 and um3x owners didnt want to write or admit their faults and in the end i and i am sure others payed the expensive price.
 
so i want to thank music,James,DFKT,shigzeo,soozieq,cn11.......and others for writing an honest "rattional impressions".i am not thanking them because they wrote anything negative about the sm3,but because they took the time to write valid impressions and comparisons.
 

i hope this is not the case with the lcd2 thread because if it is,i will hunt you down if all your comments were just fanboyism(which i doubt,maybe a bit over-enthusiasm)
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Aug 19, 2010 at 10:22 AM Post #758 of 1,380


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So CK10 and the UM3X fans are pure fanboys, nothing less. Wow, I can see how taken you are with your own views. Many, many people love both of those IEMs. I didn't care for the UM3x, but I did like the CK10s, just could not get a good fit.
 
You thank Shigzeo for being rational and honest, and then you slam anyone who likes the CK10s as a fanboy. Well, check over some of Nathan's reviews, especially the CK10. I think you will find he rates it among the best, if not THE best, universal IEM he has heard. So is he a trusted source or a fanboy?
 
As for the UM3X, plenty of people like them, and they are not crazy cult members or fanboys.
 
Your assertion that the CK10 and the UM3X threads are purely driven by fanboyism is nothing more than arrogance on your part. It needs to be said.
 

 

Agree totally about the CK10's in particular. Had a pair on loan for about a week and the level of detail as well as the fit was just amazing. They fit me pretty much perfectly every time and the details as well as sense of balance between bass/treble/mids/highs was spot on. I really don't feel they are a "fanboy" type of product. They do however, appeal to those that look for a somewhat particular sound signature, those that are looking for a great sense of balance and are not coming from or crave a heart thumping bass.
 
 
Aug 19, 2010 at 10:31 AM Post #759 of 1,380


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I see you have a Sony X player, could you try using the equalizer to increase the freq around 4 khz by a notch or two on the SM3 and let us know what you think?


If I EQ the SM3s the sound does improve, but it's not by a notch or two, it's making a BIG mess (change) in EQ settings., something I'm not prepared to do for any particular track, album or type of music I happen to be listening to.
 
Aug 19, 2010 at 10:51 AM Post #760 of 1,380
One of my SM3 cheerleaders has been appointed to keep an eye on you boys, so keep it civil please...
 

 
 
 
Aug 19, 2010 at 11:02 AM Post #761 of 1,380
as for the UM3x i did feel it was rather over hyped.  i bought into it too and was more than a little disappointed when i did hear them.  not that they arent good, they are very good just not the flying unicorns that fart fairy dust that a certain thread had lead to believe.
 
this is why i take everything new with a pinch of salt till its been arround for a few months and the enthusiasm has died down a bit.  sometimes too long, never did hear the PFE's
 
Aug 19, 2010 at 11:53 AM Post #762 of 1,380


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you are spot on.without anyone jumping at me,this thread and the previous locked one are hyped.very few rational opinions were written and as James-444 said,we should read between the lines and read the more unbiased opinions.
 
sm3 reminds me of ck10 and um3x thread. those two particular threads were pure fanboyism and unfortunatly because of this,ck10 and um3x owners didnt want to write or admit their faults and in the end i and i am sure others payed the expensive price.
 
so i want to thank music,James,DFKT,shigzeo,soozieq,cn11.......and others for writing an honest "rattional impressions".i am not thanking them because they wrote anything negative about the sm3,but because they took the time to write valid impressions and comparisons.
 

i hope this is not the case with the lcd2 thread because if it is,i will hunt you down if all your comments were just fanboyism(which i doubt,maybe a bit over-enthusiasm)
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Fair question!  As a matter of fact, the quality of the LCD-2 has been verified and corroborated many times over by many other head-fiers besides myself.  I've never seen a single headphone garner such accolades before, but then again, I've never heard such a headphone as the LCD-2 before.  Yes, I am indeed enthusiastic, and many accuse me of fanboyism, but as I said, I temper myself and my comments are very genuine about any given product.  If I'm commenting about an objective measurement, then my comment is objective, if I'm commenting upon my subjective observation, the comment is, of course subjective, but with the considerations of someone who's been around the block a few times.  As they say, this ain't my first rodeo, kid.  
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Aug 19, 2010 at 12:12 PM Post #763 of 1,380
My fellow SM3 devotees.
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They were far from glowing, but I was never attacked for doing so. I have found most of the people on this thread very pleasant and helpful… and I thank you for assisting me.[size=9pt][/size]
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But, being that my tastes in IEM’s and sonic character is not being satisfied by the SM3’s I have decided to put them up for sale.[size=9pt][/size]
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I can see how people can like these, or even love these IEM’s. They are very good and some of what they do is downright amazing. Really wonderful, full sound. However they are not for my ears and tastes.[size=9pt][/size]
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I’ll continue to monitor this thread to see if there is anything I can do to add to the convivial discussions about SM3’s or occasionally jump in to drop off some snarky humorous post.
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But otherwise… I’m out.[size=9pt][/size]
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Cheers.
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Aug 19, 2010 at 12:32 PM Post #764 of 1,380
If it's cheap enough I'll buy them off you just to try it and sell it off a few weeks later :)
 
Your personal preferences does indeed matter more than how good or bad something is. There's a bunch of stuff I would have never bought had I know it wasn't suitable for my tastes.
 
Aug 19, 2010 at 12:35 PM Post #765 of 1,380
havent been keeping up with this thread but why does everyone get all uppity and/or defensive about liking a particular IEM or headphone for that matter? why is everyone a "fanboy" if they like their headphone and to their ears its great?  i think the term fanboy and its negative connotations are being thrown around for every little thing that comes on the market and its rather annoying. i was under the impression that a fanboy is someone that will stick with one brand, for the brand sake, not because its great.  IE. apple (nothing against apple, i think they make great stuff) someone who has the iphone, ipad, ipod, and swears on his life that apple is the tops in everything.
/shrug, is this why the old thread was closed? its just an IEM..... whoa.
 

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