Skylab
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Originally Posted by Skylab /img/forum/go_quote.gif No - Kenpo / Ed Parker System |
Originally Posted by Skylab /img/forum/go_quote.gif No - Kenpo / Ed Parker System |
Originally Posted by peanuthead /img/forum/go_quote.gif My Kung Fu is better than yours! |
Originally Posted by Skylab /img/forum/go_quote.gif Or perhaps, in this case, an ultimate fighting match followed a tequila shot drinking contest But I am sure you're right - we'd enjoy meeting in real life, I'm certain. Cheers to you as well |
Originally Posted by Skylab /img/forum/go_quote.gif OK, so I apologize to you, and you once again personally attack me. That says it all. I'm out. Apologies to shellylh and all other Senn HD800 owners if you feel my comments were in any way an attack on you personally. I never believed that comments on gear were reflections on their owners. Apparently this view is not universal. |
Originally Posted by feifan /img/forum/go_quote.gif Dallan and others, please post your graphs. They provide information that's still very useful. I think there's still a lot of unanswered questions and opinions about what the graphs actually mean. Perhaps now that emotions have settled we can have a meaningful discussion. I definitely would like to hear other opinions about the 3kHz and 6kHz frequencies -- as well as other thoughts on the graphs themselves. I now consider the HD800 the center of my rig and plan to upgrade different components using it as the base and reference. Thus, I want to learn as much as I can about it, and the graphs seem to be as good a starting point as any to analyze the HD800. I realize it gives us only limited info and that we can't accurately generalize from it, but it gives us a common ground. |
Originally Posted by RedBull /img/forum/go_quote.gif If you notice, Sennheiser is using 3KHz as the loudness reference, just like "Fletcher-Munson"' curves. All the 3KHz is not even 'dip' it's all ZERO, or close to zero, or at least it is the lowest point from all the frequency. |
Originally Posted by feifan /img/forum/go_quote.gif Thanks for bringing this up, RedBull. I think discussing it might help to resolve some of the issues that have been bugging us. I've been thinking about this, and I'm assuming that the 3kHz "dip" or whatever we call it is a Sennheiser correction to match an ideal curve (Fletcher-Munson) that's meant to minimize irritation in a frequency range (upper midrange, 2kHz-4kHz) that people are especially sensitive to. Keeping it flat would translate to a brightness that causes fatigue. To prevent this brightness, they've lowered the audio level at the 3kHz frequency so it appears as a dip. Then the return to flat at 6kHz is a way to match the harmonics with the established curve, creating an ideal SQ. All of this is, I'm assuming, by design, and carefully monitored by the technicians. The result is the HD800 sound that some of us really like. This is just my opinion, and I have no idea whether it's correct or not. I'm sure there are many other explanations and views, and I'm interested in hearing them. |
Originally Posted by RedBull /img/forum/go_quote.gif Thanks. Yes, and the dB number is not an absolute number, but instead, it is a 'relative' number to 3 KHz, apparently. So we read it as, at the same power thrown at it, (example) 6 KHz is 5 dB louder than 3 KHz and 8 KHz is 3 dB louder than 3 KHz. If this is an absolute number, how do we read it? 3 KHz as 0 dB, 0 dB from what? 3 KHz no sound? This is what I think how to read it. |