May 14, 2010 at 10:51 AM Post #14,281 of 27,310


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Does felt have hallucinogenic properties? 
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Depends upon how you feel, in the past tense.   
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May 14, 2010 at 2:14 PM Post #14,282 of 27,310
Argh! Terrible puns! That's supposed to be something I perpetrate!
 
HindeKarth sees all and will have his revenge!
 
 

 
By the way, has anyone publicly owned up to winning that Yamaha YH-5M?
 
May 14, 2010 at 6:28 PM Post #14,284 of 27,310


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I'm waiting to read Kabeer's impressions on a pair of LCD-2
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My ears have been spoiled tremendously by the Yh1Ks.  Every other headphones just sound so unnatural.  I won't be considering the LCD-2 if its mids and realism are anything short of the Yh1ks.

I'm waiting too! :D (dammit waiting them is hard lol). My fingers are crossed.
 
And yup, I'm spoilt now too lol (even the O2 cant do it).
 
May 14, 2010 at 6:29 PM Post #14,285 of 27,310
^^  those of us who have heard the YH-1ks know what you are talking about tama..if you read my review  and scroll down to the midrange section i make special mention to the Yh-1K and compare the two.  I know Kabeer is going to love the LCD-2..one of the first comments i made to Don after the first 40 minutes of listening to the LCD-2s " kabeer is just going to love these headphones."
 
I am eager to see my convictions be vindicated with Kabeer's review.
 
May 15, 2010 at 7:49 AM Post #14,287 of 27,310


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You just need something that folds? or does it have to be metal for a different reason? Since the thing was in all probability an Audio-Technica OEM, take a look through their catalog. I'm thinking FC700?
 


Well, I do want something that folds, but I want something that's of decent quality. I mean, very brand and its knockoff has folding headphones, but I don't wanna attach the Pro 30's to a cheap and/or plastic frame. I just jumped on a pair of probably-fake FC700's on eBay, for $29 shipped, but as long as the frame is good, I'm good.
 
Man, I don't know if the Pro 30's are actually better than the T20's, or it's just that I have a decent amp now, but this is incredible.
 
May 15, 2010 at 1:38 PM Post #14,288 of 27,310


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Man, I don't know if the Pro 30's are actually better than the T20's, or it's just that I have a decent amp now, but this is incredible.


 
i have had the t20v1 and v2, and a pro30. i think the t20v1 is best, followed by the pro30. i never modded my pro30. i thought the t20v2 rather blah
 
May 15, 2010 at 5:08 PM Post #14,289 of 27,310
He may have meant that he found the Pro 30 incredibly bad!  Some have. It's easy to overdamp it.
 
And that brings me to point out the modder's dead end that's all too quickly reached with simple mods on old chassis compared to the escape the Neo Orthos hold out to us, albeit for a hefty price: Eventually it happens to all of us-- you reach a point in the mod where if you go for tighter bass (and once you discover that bass can be both deep and tight, it's a marvelous, addictive thing) by damping just a smidge more. If you do, you start to push that flattened-but-still-present resonant hump up into the low treble, where it will dog your heels and make your audio life hellish. This is the existential pain of modding the old orthos, and if you've followed my advice and refused to pay crazy money for them, you won't notice it so much until you hear a 'phone that was designed properly from the beginning (and for a much higher market niche). This could be one of the modern 'stats or, walletdrainingly (because the used market has yet to develop), one of the Neo Orthos-- as long as we're restricting the discussion to planars, anyway. At that point you make the decision to accept the compromise you have, or  throw money at the problem and escape to a compromise with lots more elbow room.
 
An unpretentious little fellow like the Pro 30 is hard to hate, but you can make it sound bad. The diy escape is to open the back, using stiff wire screen (such as used on microphone windscreens) to hold in the damping material.
 
May 16, 2010 at 10:49 AM Post #14,291 of 27,310


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i have had the t20v1 and v2, and a pro30. i think the t20v1 is best, followed by the pro30. i never modded my pro30. i thought the t20v2 rather blah


That must be why. I had the T20v2.

 
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He may have meant that he found the Pro 30 incredibly bad!  Some have. It's easy to overdamp it.
 
And that brings me to point out the modder's dead end that's all too quickly reached with simple mods on old chassis compared to the escape the Neo Orthos hold out to us, albeit for a hefty price: Eventually it happens to all of us-- you reach a point in the mod where if you go for tighter bass (and once you discover that bass can be both deep and tight, it's a marvelous, addictive thing) by damping just a smidge more. If you do, you start to push that flattened-but-still-present resonant hump up into the low treble, where it will dog your heels and make your audio life hellish. This is the existential pain of modding the old orthos, and if you've followed my advice and refused to pay crazy money for them, you won't notice it so much until you hear a 'phone that was designed properly from the beginning (and for a much higher market niche). This could be one of the modern 'stats or, walletdrainingly (because the used market has yet to develop), one of the Neo Orthos-- as long as we're restricting the discussion to planars, anyway. At that point you make the decision to accept the compromise you have, or  throw money at the problem and escape to a compromise with lots more elbow room.
 
An unpretentious little fellow like the Pro 30 is hard to hate, but you can make it sound bad. The diy escape is to open the back, using stiff wire screen (such as used on microphone windscreens) to hold in the damping material.

Yeah, well, in this case, I did mean incredibly good. Like, it's still giving me goosebumps quite regularly. I'm still pretty new to good audio, so this is mostly a new experience, and I'm loving it. It just seemed like I couldn't get a good compromise on the T20's between the bass and treble. I ended up doing the underdamped-with-reflex-dot approach that you mentioned way back in the beginning.
 
The Pro 30's, on the other hand, seem to be wonderfully detailed, and the bass is right there, too. It might be a bit recessed, but it doesn't have that hollow feel that the T20's had when overdamped, AND the bass-lines seem wonderfully visceral.
 
I used the pads from my Creative Aurvana Live, and that seems to make them absolutely unfatiguing, but they still have limited portability...which I wanna fix.
 
May 16, 2010 at 1:24 PM Post #14,292 of 27,310
Hey, I'm glad to hear you like the Pro 30. As I've said a zillion times, it was my first successful ortho-type mod nearly 25 years ago. It showed how necessary it was to damp the backwave's exit aperture on the chassis. They're on the verge of discovering this now over on the HE-5LE thread. It also showed that a dome-type driver that small could produce some amazingly tight bass.
 
It's entirely possible that tearing or cutting off the white factory damping "diaper" from the driver and "damping from zero" using felt would moderate the elevated treble that results from adding even minimal felt to it. That diaper has got to be more reflective than felt. I believe MPI tried this with his Fostex T40v1 and preferred the results. EDIT: Credit where it's due: JadeEast first did the Rip Off That Diaper mod on the Pro 30 way back in late '07 and announced it early in '08. That's when he did the open-back mod on it too.
 
May 16, 2010 at 3:23 PM Post #14,293 of 27,310


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Where is my royalties check!? On Head-Fi review thread the is a picture of DT220 that I took especially for wikiphonia as well, do I get a cookie for that or what?
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Hah hah hah hahaha...
 
Good luck with that.
 
 
May 16, 2010 at 3:28 PM Post #14,294 of 27,310


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i have had the t20v1 and v2, and a pro30. i think the t20v1 is best, followed by the pro30. i never modded my pro30. i thought the t20v2 rather blah


Cool.  There is still a large amount of untapped potential in your T20v1s too.  As soon as Sachu can hook us up with leather O2 clones, they just need a SPC cable and man, o', man will they be something else.  I really need to mod the T10 magnets to work with the T20 diaphragms.  I think that will be a great combo in the T20v1 headband with the O2 clone pads.  I need to order ESW9 leather pads for my KH-83s too, and get those finished. 
 
 

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