Well excuse me for having been a newbie to the hobby at one point in time. So I'm not allowed to have been wrong at some point in the past?
Back then, the SE215 seemed very fantastic to me. Since then, I have had experience with a greater variety of IEM's and headphones and come to realize that while the SE215 IS a good value for its price, one can still do much better.
I see everyone has been flaming me here while I've been away, thanks a lot, guys, I really appreciate that.
Exactly, in only four months I have gotten a great deal more experience and come to a number of revelations.
You'll notice that in the posts of mine that
@SparkOnShore
keeps quoting, I continually mention these having only a single dynamic microdriver. That is part of the issue here. Four months ago, I did not realize it was possible to get good dual-driver IEM's in this very same price-range. Most dual-driver IEM's are much more expensive, approaching the $200 mark, you see. It's true that the SE215 are very good
for a single-driver IEM, and so because of that I used to think that they were a very very very good IEM for this price. However, I now own two different under-$100 dual-driver IEM's, both of which best the SE215 significantly in all aspects, IMO.
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Exactly! Either he doesn't know what he writes about and he just adds posts without any reason, or he is here to advertise iems that are not known or trusted by anyone. If you check his posts he always mentions 2-3 iems, most probably to promote them, but I wonder even if sound is good how to compare them to a well known and trusted brand like Shure? Big brand name offers a full package not just a good product, which to me is preferable. Personally I like the bass and mids centric sound of the se215 which I believe is unique in the market. It's a decent iem offering an enjoyable sound. Also its FR is really good and accurate...
Yes,
I DID NOT KNOW WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT four months ago, I was a newbie to these forums and to this hobby.
However,
you don't seem to know what you're talking about, either. Case in point: "its FR is really good and accurate." You kidding me? The FR of the SE215 is very much bass-boosted and has rolled-off treble compared to the lows. Even four months ago, I knew that much.
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/ShureSE215.pdf http://en.goldenears.net/5982 See? Two different, completey independent sources of measurements show heavily boosted bass (not quite to basshead levels, but certainly not "accurate" or "neutral" by any means) as well as treble rolled-off above 5Khz,w ith very little upper treble air.
I can easily HEAR how bass-boosted they are if I listen to an equal volume sweeping-tone played from 20Hz up through 10Khz, and then compare that to the same thing played back by something much more neutral like the Puro Sound Labs IEM500 or the Mr. Speakers Alpha Dog.
Now, what I will say is that these do a very good job for a fairly bass-boosted, single-dynamic driver IEM, and you won't find much better on the market in that regard. However, it is possible to get significantly better clarity, detail, and dynamics from other IEM's in the under $100 price-range.
I did not know that when I was posting four months ago, as I was a relative newbie to the hobby and such multi-driver IEM's for under $100 are more obscure and hard to find out about.
So please stop flaming me and saying what a jerk I apparently am for having deliberately misled everyone or whatever it is you think I did. You don't even know me, guys.
I mean damn, how dare I have the audacity to learn more about audio and thus change my mind about this product during the past third of a year! Right? :rolleyes:
Also, I'm not trying to promote the Trinity Delta or the Puro Sound Labs IEM500 out of some kind of interest in gain either for me or those companies. And if you really think that a "big brand name" like Shure is just
automatically better than little, more obscure companies like Trinity or Puro, then you are being extremely closed-minded, man, and essentially succumbing to the same kind of reasoning that causes everyday, non-audiophile folks to purchase Beats or Bose headphones because they're such big brand-names they have heard of.
Let's look objectively for a minute. Both the Puro IEM500 and the Trinity Delta can be easily found for a price of under $100, essentially the same as or cheaper than the SE215. However, unlike the 215, both of those products have
dual drivers, which produce better detail and clarity across the frequency range by being more versatile. . .you see, it's quite hard for a tiny little few-millimeter-sized dynamic driver to reproduce all the frequencies from 20Hz to 20khz. One can easily engineer a much better response from a PAIR of dynamic drivers, or a dynamic driver paired with a balanced-armature (as in the case of the Deltas), with a crossover.
Finally, I very much take issue with your statement "iems that are not known or trusted by anyone." That's absolute
BS dude. Okay, the Puro IEM500's are very, very little-known, I'll give you that. But the Trinity Delta are LOVED on these forums. Did you even BOTHER going and searching the rest of the forums before making such a statement about the IEM's I have been "promoting?" The Trinity Delta IEM's are some of the best-reviewed low-cost IEM's on all of Head Fi. Don't wanna take my word for it? Just ask
@Brooko
, he's one of the most respected reviewers on this site (often gets his reviews posted on the front page) with tons of experience with IEM's (he's tried out at least DOZENS of high-end IEM's, if not hundreds), and the Trinity Deltas are, according to him, his #1 pick by-far in their price-range, from what he's heard so far (he hasn't heard the Puro IEM500's though, haha).
And don't go telling me about hte "full package" that big brand names give compared to "little" companies like Trinity. You don't even know. The SE215 came with a few pairws of foam and silicone tips and a little fabric carrying pouch with cleaning tool. The Trinity Delta. . .wanna know what THEY came with? They came with: A HARD carrying-case, a right-angle connector adapter, three sizes/pairs of silicone tips, a pair of dual-flange silicone tips, two sizes of foam tips, and, here's the kicker: Custom tuning filters. The Trinity Delta comes with three different custom filters that allow you to tweak the frequency-response to your liking.