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Mar 26, 2019 at 8:40 PM Post #991 of 9,211
I want to get a 2.5mm Balance to 3.5mm adapter. Would this be a good one?

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32857383226.html?spm=a2g0s.13010208.99999999.6.20193c00QgRFre

I think Type 7 "2.5mm Balance Female to 3.5mm Stereo Male" is the one I need.

I plan to get a few Balance cables from the Aliexpress sale, so I'll need the adapter for devices without Balance input.

Not a huge fan of adapters that have cables, so for me, I would take this one instead. Looks like it's not "repairable" though, which would not be good if there is a problem. That's the only con I can think of.

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BTW, has anybody tried that cable?

NICEHCK-7N-Single-Crystal-Copper-OCC-Silver-Plated-Cable-3-5-2-5-4-4mm-Plug.jpg_640x640q70.jpg_.webp


I love the looks! I'm trying to decide which one to get. I really want the "sound" of the (130) though...
 
Mar 26, 2019 at 9:31 PM Post #993 of 9,211
I want to get a 2.5mm Balance to 3.5mm adapter. Would this be a good one?

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32857383226.html?spm=a2g0s.13010208.99999999.6.20193c00QgRFre

I think Type 7 "2.5mm Balance Female to 3.5mm Stereo Male" is the one I need.

I plan to get a few Balance cables from the Aliexpress sale, so I'll need the adapter for devices without Balance input.
I have this one and it works perfectly. Plus you can pick the type you want:
hellodigi M3F2 2.5mm Female to 3.5mm Male Headphones Conversion Cable—Audio Adapter,Converter Cable Balance Headphones Cable Gold Plated (Copper-Silver) https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07KSR13CS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_mjTMCbRZMMBQ2
 
Mar 26, 2019 at 10:19 PM Post #994 of 9,211
DC resistance of 3.5mmTRS male to 2.5mmTRRS balanced female adapters

adapters with wire are comfortable, but add some resistivity and their quality depends of wire quality (together with plugs and solders quality).

short adapters (minimal or no wire) offer less resistance and you only depend of plug and solders quality. in the other hand, they stress 3.5mm socket harder. guess angled adapters will mitigate some of that stress compared to straight ones.

DC resistivity measurements (L+,R+,L-,R-, in mΩ):
(05) chinese eidolic styled straight:.............6..8..4..8
(10) alo audio (styled?) A32(G) straight:.....8..10..15..8
(15) eidolic angled:.....................................10/10..9/9..2/1..3/3
(20) okcsc angled:.......................12/13/12/14/12/12..17/14/12/14/13/14..10/12/11/12/9/12..11/13/13/14/15/21
(25) astrotec AT-P01 angled:.....................15..15..2..4
(50) FiiO BL35 cable:.................................13..12..16..-

05. chinese eidolic styled straight:.............6..8..4..8
love these plugs, but straight
links:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32876989769.html
ad05_chi_eid_straight_01.jpg ad05_chi_eid_straight_02.jpg

10. alo audio (styled?) A32(G) straight:.....8..10..15..8
links:
https://www.newbecca.com/product/539325396657
ad10_alo_audio_a32_straight_01.jpg ad10_alo_audio_a32_straight_02.jpg

15. eidolic angled:.....................................10/10..9/9..2/1..3/3
most expensive
links:
https://doublehelixcables.com/product/eidolic-2-5mm-trrs-3-5mm-trs-adapter/
ad15_eid_L01.jpg

20
. okcsc angled:.........12/13/12/14/12/12..17/14/12/14/13/14..10/12/11/12/9/12..11/13/13/14/15/21
cheapest, but nice built.
links:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32865122372.html
ad20_oksc_L01.jpg

25. astrotec AT-P01 angled:.....................15..15..2..4
links:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32860629855.html
ad25_astrotec_at-p01_L01.jpg

50. FiiO BL35 cable.................................13..12..16.4..-
trs ground signal goes to trrs L-, but not to trrs R-, which is floating. no problem.
links (many sellers):
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32890820615.html
ad50_fiio_BL35_c01.jpg
 
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Mar 26, 2019 at 10:25 PM Post #995 of 9,211
I was also going to suggest the Fiio adapter as i have a few and they work very well for me.
 
Mar 26, 2019 at 10:25 PM Post #996 of 9,211
yes, that's the model you need: 3.5mmTRS male to 2.5mmTRRS balanced female.

adapters with wire are comfortable, but add some resistivity and their quality depends of wire quality (together with plugs and solders quality).
the one you linked to looks nice. heard good impressions of last FiiO adapter: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32890820615.html

short adapters (minimal or no wire) offer less resistance and you only depend of plug and solders quality. in the other hand, they stress 3.5mm socket harder. guess angled adapters will mitigate some of that stress compared to straight ones.

my resistivity measurements (L+,R+,L-,R-, in mΩ) of some of these short adapters:
chinese eidolic styled straight....6...7.9...4.4...8.1...https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32876989769.html love these plugs, but straight
alo audio straight.......................8...10...15.5...8.2
eidolic angled............................10.3/10.3...9.4/9.3...1.9/1.2...2.7/3...https://doublehelixcables.com/product/eidolic-2-5mm-trrs-3-5mm-trs-adapter/ most expensive
okcsc angled.............................12.5/13.2/12/13.8/12.4/12.5...17.7/14.5/12.3/14.5/13/13.7...9.7/11.8/11.4/11.9/9.1/11.9...11.2/13/12.8/13.6/15/21...https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32865122372.html cheapest
astrotec angled.........................15.5...14.8...2.37...3.7...https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32860629855.html
Awesome job as usual Hakuzen.
I think you mentioned that you are from Spain but do you still live there? Do you never sleep??
 
Mar 26, 2019 at 10:33 PM Post #997 of 9,211
Awesome job as usual Hakuzen.
I think you mentioned that you are from Spain but do you still live there? Do you never sleep??
thanks. i live in madrid, yes. i sleep when i get sleepy. it depends of the day. but love night silence to make audio measurements. madrid is a very noisy city
 
Mar 26, 2019 at 11:12 PM Post #998 of 9,211
thanks. i live in madrid, yes. i sleep when i get sleepy. it depends of the day. but love night silence to make audio measurements. madrid is a very noisy city
The veiled Isabel in the Prado is the most mesmerising sculpture i have ever seen.. I was living at Lavapiés :)
 
Mar 27, 2019 at 1:06 AM Post #999 of 9,211
Not a huge fan of adapters that have cables, so for me, I would take this one instead. Looks like it's not "repairable" though, which would not be good if there is a problem. That's the only con I can think of.

- - -

BTW, has anybody tried that cable?

NICEHCK-7N-Single-Crystal-Copper-OCC-Silver-Plated-Cable-3-5-2-5-4-4mm-Plug.jpg_640x640q70.jpg_.webp


I love the looks! I'm trying to decide which one to get. I really want the "sound" of the (130) though...
it's cable 115 in my list. pity i didn't add it to my recent ab round up.. (i'll might try it now, because i'm measuring some cables -fr/distortion differences, if any-)
look is stunning. white version is the most shiny white cable in my collection (iirc it can be found a bit cheaper than grey version). not very flexible, though
The veiled Isabel in the Prado is the most mesmerising sculpture i have ever seen.. I was living at Lavapiés :)
lavapiés! probably my fav neighborhood in madrid.. the most multi-ethnic multi-cultural one, so the richest and most vanguard (art and soul speaking)
 
Mar 27, 2019 at 2:50 AM Post #1,001 of 9,211
well, i've been comparing cable 115 to the rest, because forgot to do it the other day.
unfortunately, i wouldn't pass a blind test on any of the cables >$50 tonight.. differences are so subtle, if any..
being nitpicking, i think i prefer 130 to 115, because lows seem to be slightly better preserved; maybe 115 is a touch brighter.
about cables below $30 of my list, they sound well enough for normal iems. there is a difference with >$50 segment, though. like if they were less rounded. however, difference is not that big compared to tip rolling + depth insertion.
so choose whatever you like most at 3.28, remembering to keep healthy proportion between iem and cable prices :wink:

edit: again, no differences found in frequency response nor distortion measurements. but there are differences when we listen.. the measurement rig of our brain is far more complex than any pro rig we use..
 
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Mar 27, 2019 at 5:01 AM Post #1,002 of 9,211
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BTW, has anybody tried that cable?

NICEHCK-7N-Single-Crystal-Copper-OCC-Silver-Plated-Cable-3-5-2-5-4-4mm-Plug.jpg_640x640q70.jpg_.webp


I love the looks! I'm trying to decide which one to get. I really want the "sound" of the (130) though...

Yup, got it, and it sounds amazing to me, here is my full review I made for it :)
My only cons is that it lack a bit of flexibility.
 
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Mar 27, 2019 at 5:13 AM Post #1,003 of 9,211
Been a while have not come here..

so tomorrow will be big disc in ali express, right ?
still looking eyes for that 130 cable... need in 4.4... I dont like use adapter, really make coloring in sound wise...

anyway, if adapter is required... go to known brand like Fiio, iBasso... to prevent regrets,,,, have OCKS etc already bad connection in if used often...


is this 130 cable?
http://www.lunashops.com/goods.php?id=5971

or

https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/cNwujXOg
 
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Mar 27, 2019 at 7:46 AM Post #1,004 of 9,211
well, i've been comparing cable 115 to the rest, because forgot to do it the other day.
unfortunately, i wouldn't pass a blind test on any of the cables >$50 tonight.. differences are so subtle, if any..
being nitpicking, i think i prefer 130 to 115, because lows seem to be slightly better preserved; maybe 115 is a touch brighter.
about cables below $30 of my list, they sound well enough for normal iems. there is a difference with >$50 segment, though. like if they were less rounded. however, difference is not that big compared to tip rolling + depth insertion.
so choose whatever you like most at 3.28, remembering to keep healthy proportion between iem and cable prices :wink:

edit: again, no differences found in frequency response nor distortion measurements. but there are differences when we listen.. the measurement rig of our brain is far more complex than any pro rig we use..

Yup, got it, and it sounds amazing to me, here is my full review I made for it :)
My only cons is that it lack a bit of flexibility.

Thanks guys. I don't know how I missed the cable in the list. :ksc75smile: So, not as good as 130 when it comes to resistance... Aghh... But I like the looks so much... Anyway, I have a few more days to decide.

BTW, uhm... I've prepared a small "detail" tester "clip" of a track called "Motion of Stars" by Vangelis (It's cut from the full track at 1:38 to ~3:02). I use it for treble detail evaluation, great for cable testing (with myCCA C16 + a silver cable, It's much clearer than with the stock crap cable, and I can hear every single one), so if you guys have the time, I would really appreciate it if you check it out, and tell me if you can hear the small... harp - like crystalline thingies that are mixed troughout (on the clip, they are from 0:00 to 0:20, repeating each second and a half). They repeat at equal intervals, but with variable loudness. There are two places where they are almost inaudible, but are perfect for cable evaluation (the better the cable, the more you will be able to hear at the quietest points). Would really love to know with which cable between 115 and 130 these micro details sound the best. I've left some low-end on that clip of the track (and some of the cool crystalline stereo panning - for imaging purposes), so you can use it to evaluate that as well. I know it's kind of a "personal request", so, it's OK if you don't have the time. I will make a decision blindly (I believe the 130 would be better, just because of the resistance, but... dammit I like the 115's looks so much... Would be a killer combo with the Kanas Pro).

Thanks again. :)
 

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