Low end. Cheap. Generic. Otherwise bang for buck cable thread!

Mar 8, 2019 at 3:36 AM Post #841 of 9,551
I noticed an increase in resolution from just using the cable over time. Now I am thinking it needs more than just a few days of burn in on the cables. I would keep running music through the cables for at least a week.
This is the thing I haven`t experienced yet (cable burn-in) and till the day I do, I personally don`t belive in it.
If You explain me physics of cable material burn-in, then will "look" into it but until then I just belive only in cable impedance/resistance differences and resulting sound differences.
 
Mar 8, 2019 at 8:20 AM Post #844 of 9,551
Please compare any sound differences of S8 v H8 on DM6.
My review on DM6 is coming tomorrow with ISN Audio S8. ISN S8 just turned DM6 into a different beast.
Overall, ISN H8 with DM6 - bass reduced and treble harshness reduced, still spikes are there slightly improvement on sound stage.
ISN S8 with DM6 - Sub bass improved a bit , treble is now totally smooth(Not recessed) but beautiful sparkle is there. Mids are now totally transparent H8 is perfect with DM6. With S8 DM6 is sounding like way expensive neutral flagship IEMs. Highly recommended.


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Mar 8, 2019 at 9:04 AM Post #845 of 9,551
My review on DM6 is coming tomorrow with ISN Audio S8. ISN S8 just turned DM6 into a different beast.
Overall, ISN H8 with DM6 - bass reduced and treble harshness reduced, still spikes are there slightly improvement on sound stage.
ISN S8 with DM6 - Sub bass improved a bit , treble is now totally smooth(Not recessed) but beautiful sparkle is there. Mids are now totally transparent H8 is perfect with DM6. With S8 DM6 is sounding like way expensive neutral flagship IEMs. Highly recommended.

Nice one.
When you say bass is reduced with H8 are you referring to all bass including sub bass area ?
How many hours usage have you got on your DM6 ?
 
Mar 8, 2019 at 9:19 AM Post #848 of 9,551
Yes with H8 sub-bass is very low, same as stock cable. This DM6 unit is almost 3 months old. :beyersmile:

I recieved the BGVP OCC cable recently and after another 100 hours of use with it to make a total of over 200 hours I found that the treble spikes and Shh gone completly.
The grainess or the rough highs that can sometimes be detected with some recordings have also gone and the sound is now overall smoother across the range including the highs.

Now it's a much better sounding earphone to my ears than when i first got it. Not sure whether to attribute this to the new cable or BA burn in but it it didn't sound this way even when i first put the OCC cable on.

Please add your final review when to the dedicated DM6 thread when you have done it.
Include details of your source and tips used as they really affect the DM6 sound.
A direct comparison against the standard supplied cable would realy help many people.

I did my impressions after upgrading to the BGVP OCC cable here -
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/bgvp-dm6-and-dmg-discussion-thread.894331/page-189#post-14822270
 
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Mar 8, 2019 at 9:20 AM Post #849 of 9,551
I recieved the BGVP OCC cable recently and after another 100 hours of use with it to make a total of over 200 hours I found that the treble spikes and Shh gone completly.
The grainess or the rough highs that can sometimes be detected with some recordings have also gone and the sounds is overall smoother in the highs.
Its a much better sounding earphone to my ears than when i first got it. Not sure whether to attribute it to the new cable or BA burn in but it it didn't sound this way when i first put new cable on.

Please add your final review when to the dedicated DM6 thread when you done it.
Include details of your source and tips used as they really affects the DM6 sound.
A direct comparison against the standard supplied cable would realy help many people.

I did my impressions after upgrading to the BGVP OCC cable here -
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/bgvp-dm6-and-dmg-discussion-thread.894331/page-189#post-14822270
Sure. If all goes well then tomorrow.
 
Mar 8, 2019 at 11:25 AM Post #850 of 9,551
I asked Ken Ball at Can jam last year about his Andromeda S burn in. He told me burn in is needed more for the cable than the earphones. Which was odd but it seems higher end cables are recommended for burn in. I don't feel sound changes drastically with cable burn in. Might be slight at best but what I experienced with the C16 is that when I first heard it. It was warm thick sounding using my HQ12 out of the box. It don't sound as warm now with increased resolution/ detail in the treble region. And this is on an earphone that has been used for easily over 300 hours prior to using the C16 cable.
 
Mar 8, 2019 at 12:01 PM Post #851 of 9,551
I asked Ken Ball at Can jam last year about his Andromeda S burn in. He told me burn in is needed more for the cable than the earphones. Which was odd but it seems higher end cables are recommended for burn in. I don't feel sound changes drastically with cable burn in. Might be slight at best but what I experienced with the C16 is that when I first heard it. It was warm thick sounding using my HQ12 out of the box. It don't sound as warm now with increased resolution/ detail in the treble region. And this is on an earphone that has been used for easily over 300 hours prior to using the C16 cable.
now, This is something new... never thought need that long for Cable to break in....
 
Mar 8, 2019 at 12:16 PM Post #852 of 9,551
If you read the higher end cable thread. It is regularly accepted as more or less the norm. Effect audio thread I would check out. You will see what I mean. The cable manufacturers recommend it as well.

I have a friend that made a pure silver cable for me and the guy is an Electrical Engineer by trade. Makes his own silver cables. He told me to have my silver cable burn in for 200 hours. Guy works for Space X and regularly modifies and makes his own gears. I definitely trust his statement on that. At least for pure silver.

Again I don't claim it is true or false but I do accept the fact that my earphones changed for the better over time using the same cable on the same earphones.
 
Mar 8, 2019 at 12:18 PM Post #853 of 9,551
I asked Ken Ball at Can jam last year about his Andromeda S burn in. He told me burn in is needed more for the cable than the earphones. Which was odd but it seems higher end cables are recommended for burn in. I don't feel sound changes drastically with cable burn in. Might be slight at best but what I experienced with the C16 is that when I first heard it. It was warm thick sounding using my HQ12 out of the box. It don't sound as warm now with increased resolution/ detail in the treble region. And this is on an earphone that has been used for easily over 300 hours prior to using the C16 cable.
i also did notice warm effect with C16 out of the box. that's why i decided to make some A/B with various cables immediately. at first minutes, the difference was noticeable. after a while (i was keeping on doing A/B), there was not difference with my other copper wires (all them slightly warmer than silver plated ones). i don't know if sound will keep changing with time, other than degradation; guess changes, if any, will be barely noticeable. but allow 5 minutes at least to out-of-the-box C16. this has also happened to me with some other cables, but also with many iems
 
Mar 8, 2019 at 3:26 PM Post #854 of 9,551
This review is a comparative of the following cables from NiceHCK :

Build quality :
  • Plugs :
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Overall build quality on both cables is extremely good, plugs are somewhat different, while I enjoy them both, I found the plug from the 8 cores to be better (the carbon sticker finish looks good and it looks sturdy). The plug on the 7N is more known, as we can find it on many cables. It is a clone of Oyaide, but I checked it and it is almost the exact same dimensions. It is not a first price of fake oyaide we can generally find on the market, still not an official but a good one.

  • Y-Splitters :
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While the transparent « ball »-like (which is here for just the fun and beauty) are identical on both cables, the splitters themselves are different. The 7N one use a splitter that I never faced until now, great finish (glossy metal, well finished). On the 8 cores one, it looks a bit similar to the plug, without the carbon sticker this time, great finish too. No trace of glue, or anything badly cutted like we can generally find on cheaper cables, the finition is exceptionnal. Clearly, both of these looks high-end cables.

  • MMCX connectors :
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They remains the same design, with a red mark to help separate right and left (which is nice), Left has no color, but just a transparent clip before the connector himself (I prefer this to the usual blue or green for the left, much more stylish). They are identical but the 7N have glossy finish on them, while the 8 cores is matte finish. Just a matter of preference. Personally I like them both, maybe the glossy one is more sensitive to scratches with time.

  • Cable itself :
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The 7N cable is supposed to be a pure single crystal copper OCC silver plated, I say supposed as we don’t really know if it’s true (like all cables anyway). I asked to Jim but unfortunately he can’t say more than the product page itself which don’t precise this information. So, I don’t really know how much wires per cores, milimeters, etc. Overall it looks really good, the cable is extremely thick (much more than I thought initially), feels sturdy. It is soft but not much flexible. It is acceptably stiff I would say. I used my water boil technique to soft it a bit more, it worked. I’m more pleased like that, even if it could be better. This crazy thickness brings the best conductivity experience I’ve ever had, and the best among the two. I would say anyway that conductivity is generally better on a good thick 4 cores than a thin 8 cores. I really like the look of the cable itself, even if my only reproach is on its stiffness side only.

The 8 cores is using pure silver (or is supposed to be, here also). No technical specs /infos here also, unfortunately. The cable is extremely soft and nicely braided. Cors are not that thin nor thick, I would dedscribe them as mediumly thin. The shiny white look is very good, and breathe the high-end. A true success.

Overall, I like them two, hard to choose which one is the best for overall look. Depends of personal preferences. If you are walking much with your cable, then go for the 8 cores, but if you are at home/work and don’t move your head much, then go for the 7N.

The 7N is the less microphonic of the two.

Note that I removed the earguides as I use my standard earbuds with MMCX that I did (a personal EMX500 DIY that I did by myself, and which will help me differenciate them especially for my sound impressions below).


Sound impressions :

To be honest, I wasn’t a real cable believer until I finally get those two cables. After spending many hours with both cables, I can easily discern them and I can confirm there is clearly a difference between them.

While the 7N is more analytical and has a more intimate presentation, the 8 cores is more spacious. But overall, they shares the same soundstage which is deep and large when it needs to be. Also, soundstage is a slightlymore narrower on the 7N, while the 8 cores has a bit more natural approach.

The 7N brings the best of details from the two, highs are and preserved with excellent sparkling and micro-details, while the 8 cores polish high frequencies and smooth them out, making this cable more relaxing listening than the 7N. Overall, I find the whole frequencies to be much smoothed on the 8 cores (silver effect). Subbass and bass are much in favor of the 7N, clearly. Overall bass presentation is more forwarded with authority on the 7N, while it is cleaner on the 8 cores. I feel like mids are very good on both, nice presence, great vocals, not grainy at all. I feel like it deletes the little grainy effect my reference had with my usual bad quality cables, stunning !

Differences between the two only plays mainly on bass and highs, and soundstage presentation.


Conclusion :

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[ My own yet best DIY earbuds equipped with the 8 cores ]

Overall, depending on mood, I have to say I’m much pleased of the peformances of the two. If I feel nervous and want a relaxing listening, I go for the 8 cores, while sometimes I need some energy and analytical listening, then I switch to the 7N. For those who knows NiceHCK EBX earuds, I would say it is the best companion coupled with the 7N cable, ever. It will wake up bass (that was lacking with their stock cable) and you will appreciate even more the details provided by those very good earbuds.

NiceHCK did a great job on both of them. Those are now my reference cables. Highly recommended, even more for the price asked.

This is my first ever cable review ever done, hope you enjoyed it :) (and sorry for my limited english, not native)
Cheers'
 
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