[jaywillin]

another thing i've noticed in using the lcd vs a grado, its like i'm learning to listen differently, if that makes any sense
i did for the first time listen to some classical with the lcd, that was pretty damn good !
some of the "newness" is wearing off, while i love its sound, the rs1 has more soul, more "IT" for me

 

[Danni]

I used to own Senns HD600, wich had a big soundstage and ressesed mids,

 
This is the first time I think I've ever read someone stating the HD600 has a recessed midrange.
 

 
its possible, but i'm not quite there yet !!
seriously, the rs1 and the 500 just complement each other so well to me, and while having the same grado sense of space, pace
the lcd's are great, but they are a  different breed, huge sound stage, deeeeeep bass
 
but before i get another 500, i'm curious now about a gs1000i, who knows what'll show up here next

 
Likewise this is the first time I've seen someone refer to the LCD2 having a huge soundstage. Usually I hear that the soundstage was very closed and small for a Top model. My TH600 soundstage must be massive compared to Grado's if that is true.
 
Either way it makes me more intrigued to hear a Grado model, to see how intimate it really is and how far forward the mids must be to make a HD600 seem recessed. I'll admit the PS1000 would interest me a lot if it was not $2500 odd dollars here.

 

[stacker45]

   
This is the first time I think I've ever read someone stating the HD600 has a recessed midrange.
 
 
Likewise this is the first time I've seen someone refer to the LCD2 having a huge soundstage. Usually I hear that the soundstage was very closed and small for a Top model. My TH600 soundstage must be massive compared to Grado's if that is true.
 
Either way it makes me more intrigued to hear a Grado model, to see how intimate it really is and how far forward the mids must be to make a HD600 seem recessed. I'll admit the PS1000 would interest me a lot if it was not $2500 odd dollars here.

 
I meant that, relatively speaking of course, the HD600 has a recessed midrange compared to, say, RS1is.

 

[Brooko]

   
I meant that, relatively speaking of course, the HD600 has a recessed midrange compared to, say, RS1is.

 
Guess it's very subjective. I have both (mid-range junkie 

 ).  Both have a slightly forward mid-range - and I wouldn't actually pick one over the other.  I'd be the last to say the HD600 mid-range is recessed in any way - even compared to the RS1.

 

[stacker45]

  that's exactly how its playing out with the lcd2's, sometimes something with them seemed to not be to my liking, but i couldn't really tell what it was, then i'd put the rs1i back on, it was the sense of intimacy !,  also, comapred to the rs1, the lcd can seem slow sometimes

 
I've never had the chance to audition the LCD2/3 long enough to form a solid opinion about them, but I do remember being very impressed on those few occasions that I have spent with them at the Montréal Hi-Fi show.

 

[jaywillin]

   
This is the first time I think I've ever read someone stating the HD600 has a recessed midrange.
 
 
Likewise this is the first time I've seen someone refer to the LCD2 having a huge soundstage. Usually I hear that the soundstage was very closed and small for a Top model. My TH600 soundstage must be massive compared to Grado's if that is true.
 
Either way it makes me more intrigued to hear a Grado model, to see how intimate it really is and how far forward the mids must be to make a HD600 seem recessed. I'll admit the PS1000 would interest me a lot if it was not $2500 odd dollars here.

my comments should have carried the disclaimer:  i have limited exposure to headphones other than grado, so take my impressions with a grain of salt

 

[stacker45]

   
Guess it's very subjective. I have both (mid-range junkie 

 ).  Both have a slightly forward mid-range - and I wouldn't actually pick one over the other.  I'd be the last to say the HD600 mid-range is recessed in any way - even compared to the RS1.

 
Like you say, ''it's very subjective'', but according to John Grado, you can't have a big soundstage, and intimate mids, now, I sold my HD600 in 2006, when I bought my GS1000, so I'm going on memory alone here, and, well!, let's just say that I'm not nowned for having a very good memory, so take this with the biggest grain of salt you can find.

 

[Brooko]

   
Like you say, ''it's very subjective'', but according to John Grado, you can't have a big soundstage, and intimate mids, now, I sold my HD600 in 2006, when I bought my GS1000, so I'm going on memory alone here, and, well!, let's just say that I'm not nowned for having a very good memory, so take this with the biggest grain of salt you can find.

 
Fair enough

 
Just my opinion - but the HD600 doesn't have an overly large sound-stage.  It does have a very realistic sound-stage though - and this is why I personally think the mid range is so good on these classic cans.

 

[stacker45]

   
Fair enough

 
Just my opinion - but the HD600 doesn't have an overly large sound-stage.  It does have a very realistic sound-stage though - and this is why I personally think the mid range is so good on these classic cans.

 
I agree, the HD600 are famous for having a very natural and neutral midrange, but in my opinion, they have a bigger sounstage than Grado's SR an RS series and less midrange presence.

 

[jaywillin]

   
Fair enough

 
Just my opinion - but the HD600 doesn't have an overly large sound-stage.  It does have a very realistic sound-stage though - and this is why I personally think the mid range is so good on these classic cans.

when joedoe and i had our "mini-meet"  he brought along his senn 600, and 650, i did not like the 650 at all, and up until i sprung for the audeze, i thought i might buy one, but compared to my rs1, and ps500, i too felt that the mids were just a bit sucked out, but  its probably more that the mids are more forward with the grado's, sometimes it takes me a while to catch on ! lol

 

[Brooko]

 
Could also be that you two guys are hardcore Grado fans that might like the HD600.
 
Whereas I am a hardcore HD600 fan that quite likes the RS1 classic I have

 
If I had to choose between the HD600 and RS1 (if I could only have one) - the HD600 would be the one I'd keep.
 
Like I said gentlemen - very subjective - but there is no doubt that both are great cans that have withstood the test of time.  And both are also considered by many to be classics and best in class for value (in their respective genre/value brackets).

 

[BillsonChang007]

Could also be that you two guys are hardcore Grado fans that might like the HD600.

Whereas I am a hardcore HD600 fan that quite likes the RS1 classic I have

If I had to choose between the HD600 and RS1 (if I could only have one) - the HD600 would be the one I'd keep.

Like I said gentlemen - very subjective - but there is no doubt that both are great cans that have withstood the test of time.  And both are also considered by many to be classics and best in class for value (in their respective genre/value brackets).

Aren't they completely different? @.@

 

[CH23]

Aren't they completely different? @.@

they do have a completely different sound,but that doesn't mean you can't like them both.

 

[Brooko]

  they do have a completely different sound,but that doesn't mean you can't like them both.

 
This !
 
They are complimentary though 

 

[BillsonChang007]

Yeah but how can he choose HD600 over RS1? THEY SHALL BE TOGETHER TO COMPLIMENT EACH OTHER XD

Maybe Left RS1 and right using HD600 driver? xD