Final Audio Design Impressions and Discussion Thread
Mar 7, 2017 at 11:38 AM Post #6,976 of 11,643
Rumina, thanks for the impression, just couple of questions. I guess the cable is detachable and the connector is MMCx right? What kind of cable is the stock cable. Copper, silver, Litz etc? So it is a single dynamic driver, no BA right? Can it be reterminate into balance? Looks like you are driving from your 380 SE out. Did you try other daps? Do you know where does the highend roll off at?
 
Mar 7, 2017 at 12:01 PM Post #6,977 of 11,643
Rumina, thanks for the impression, just couple of questions. I guess the cable is detachable and the connector is MMCx right? What kind of cable is the stock cable. Copper, silver, Litz etc? So it is a single dynamic driver, no BA right? Can it be reterminate into balance? Looks like you are driving from your 380 SE out. Did you try other daps? Do you know where does the highend roll off at?

yes it's a standard mmcx connector, the stock cable is ofc (copper) silver coated. yes dynamic driver, you can change the plug on the cable (4 wire cable), i used a balanced silver litz cable as alternativ. i used several dacs, hugo, mojo, yggdrasil etc; the lab2 can deliver more detail that comes out of the mojo, so a good source needed to get the the max out of these earphones. at the moment i use them with the ak380cu and a continental dual mono, my hearing ends at 16/17khz, getting older :wink: up to this everything sounds fine. take a look at the final audio site, a lot to read about the lab2:
 
http://final-audio-design.com/en/archives/2941 
 
Mar 7, 2017 at 12:34 PM Post #6,978 of 11,643
  as promised time for a small review of the lab 2. i have my pair since november and wanted to wait for some time to settle my impression.
 
first a big thanks to the distributor of final audio in switzerland, after writing them they told me that a pair is in poland on tour and he checks if he can bring this pair to switzerland. three weeks later they waited for me at the k55 in zurich. that is a first class service.
 
short version:  i know i buy them after 1 minute play, only a few audio gear left me impressed like this. 
 
i own the piano fort x-cc and allways loved them, the cold feeling you lay them in your ears is the start and after they heat up you didn't realise that something is in your ear. you don't have any kind of pressure on your ears. i love the wear of the piano forte x-cc, these earphones a completely open, not for running around or noisy places. i often grab them in summer when its hot, better than any iem oder headphone. the lab 2 have the same design but even more open in construction, the titan casing is not cold when you lay them in your ears like the piano forte x-cc. due the little stiffer and heavier cable you have the feeling that they stay not as secure as the piano forte x-cc in your ears - the earphones in contrast are a little lighter.
 
the piano forte x-cc sound special, they are colored and the frequency range is limited on both ends, they are for me specialist for vocal jazz and small combos surely not for any genre and often a try and error game. when the recording fits the sound it is superb, extreme natural and intimate, extreme good resolution, wide soundstage.
 
for me the lab 2 are a miracle, how in the hell they produce such a bass with this complete open design? the back oft these earphones are open, you can see thru. and what magic sauce they took for this wonderful wide, deep and holographic soundstage? i can't compare this earphones to other earphones or iem they compete for me with the best open headphones i know. i stand for my word when i say that these earphone produce the best the best out of the head experience i ever heard (and i had a meeting with the orpheus last week). i can best compare the lab2 with some very expensive smaler monitor loudspeakers - the only thing that is not here is super deep bass - but like small monitors a superb homogenous sound. in contrast to the lab2 they are not colored, maybe a little pronounced mids and a the magnifier is a little smaler then the fiano forte x-cc in this part. they deliver a natural sound out of the most sources i have and are easy to drive. that's beside the soundstage the second best part, a natural sound with a extreme fine timbre without the need to fine tune. they play fine loud or quiet (often a problem with electrostats, important point for me, i often listen very moderat), don't expect a pressure feeling on your ears (don't like that, grab some closed iem when you like that). they are not as speedy as the noble katana/k10 but speedier than the ak t8ie. the lab2 have a extra nice decay that ba iem have often so struggle to deliver/reproduce but in contrast to the piano forte x-cc in a good neutral sense (piano forte x-cc are lovely here but more in the sence of a nice extra echo like a old opera house or smaler church).
 
but other gear can do parts better, a sr-009 delivers more details and pinpoint exact soundstage, the focal utopia are more linear down to the deepest bass, but only a tad better in resolution. what the lab2 shares with the utopia is the complete package, wounderful, natural and dynamic out of the box but also upscaling with the source/amp (the lab2 cable delivers this woundful soundstage, with a silver litz cable the soundstage gets smaller but a tiny bit exacter and the resolution benefit from the cable, i use the orginal cable). one thing was a bit special at the beginning - in contrast to other headphones i had the feeling to sit in the loge, looking down to the stage, so the earphones comes with his own placing (but only a bit :wink: ), you easily forget this after the first tone. and ok, for speedy edm you need the deepbass, have a second pair of iem for this but when the piano forte x-cc are for 30% of all music the lab2 can do 95% easy. much better then i hoped for after owing the piano forte x-cc.
 
do you know the moment you put some new gear out of your ears and stare at them? i had this moment not once but again and again with these earphones.
 
they are expensive, around 4000 eur, that is sad, my biggest wish is that this technology (3d printed titan with mechanical equalizer, super thin diaphragm) comes widely avaible. are they worth the money? for me without any doubts, they are the sonus faber guarneri evolution of earphones.


Nice read.
 
Mar 8, 2017 at 11:46 AM Post #6,979 of 11,643
yes it's a standard mmcx connector, the stock cable is ofc (copper) silver coated. yes dynamic driver, you can change the plug on the cable (4 wire cable), i used a balanced silver litz cable as alternativ. i used several dacs, hugo, mojo, yggdrasil etc; the lab2 can deliver more detail that comes out of the mojo, so a good source needed to get the the max out of these earphones. at the moment i use them with the ak380cu and a continental dual mono, my hearing ends at 16/17khz, getting older :wink: up to this everything sounds fine. take a look at the final audio site, a lot to read about the lab2:

http://final-audio-design.com/en/archives/2941 


rumina, do you know the frequency chart of the Lab2? You said your hearing is good to 15/16 kHz. I don't even need it to go that high, I just don't want to have any roll off before 12/13 Khz. Also how low do you think it will get? Is there a big difference between using the CDC and without on your 380cu? I also have the 380cu and just want to know how is driving straightly from the 380cu? On the 380cu, what is your volume set at for listening to the Lab 2 on average? Do you think the Lab 2 is neutral, on the warm side, on the bright side? Thanks so much for sharing.
 
Mar 8, 2017 at 11:58 AM Post #6,980 of 11,643
Rumina, I thought that pair of Lab2 you audition is on tour. Did you buy that pair of Lab 2?
 
Mar 8, 2017 at 1:07 PM Post #6,981 of 11,643
yes the pair i audition was on tour, i ordered a pair the same day and get my new pair 2 days later, the swiss distributor had one pair at hands. i get mine end of november.

btw i asked final audio japan about a balanced 2.5mm audio cable for the lab2, get the news today that they can deliver one in about a week, so oder placed for the balanced cable, perfect service :grinning: .
 
Mar 8, 2017 at 1:12 PM Post #6,982 of 11,643
Rumina, I notice that you also have the Utopia and you already compare a little between the two. Do you mind sharing a little more between the Lab 2 and the Utopia? I am really curious about then two. Thank you.
 
Mar 8, 2017 at 1:31 PM Post #6,983 of 11,643
Is it the same stock cable that came with the Lab 2? I also talked to Final Audio USA and they told me that Final Audio will start making replacement cable for the Lab 2 with balance connector. How do you like the stock cable for the Lab 2 as it is a SPC. I heard the new cable are made of pure silver. I am kind of excited after I read the cable that FAD use actually used in super computer with very high speed.
 
Mar 8, 2017 at 1:37 PM Post #6,984 of 11,643
out of the ak380cu direct the volume is between 35-50, so very easy to drive. with the continental dual mono you have that little extra of a tube amplifier and a little better bass definition. as good the ak's dac are the integrated amp is the weakest point of these players, a separate amp gives lesser stress to the internal amp. the lab2 are so easy to drive that the differences are small, think not of a night and day change,more a added spice.
 
you need to hear these earphone/headphone to make your own judgment, technical speaking the utopia wins but not by a super large margin (ok it is noticable at the deep bass), only the soundstage is weaker but more defined. form the emotional point of view the lab2 wins for me. i would rate both a little warm sounding, but only a tad (sr-009 as reference for neutral sounding headphone), not bright. but don't forget, both are so neutral and great that every component is part of the sound you get. if someone asks which one to buy whitout hearing them go for the utopia, both are made to enjoy at home, not outside or walking around, so not a question about size.
 
Mar 8, 2017 at 1:50 PM Post #6,985 of 11,643
Is it the same stock cable that came with the Lab 2? I also talked to Final Audio USA and they told me that Final Audio will start making replacement cable for the Lab 2 with balance connector. How do you like the stock cable for the Lab 2 as it is a SPC. I heard the new cable are made of pure silver. I am kind of excited after I read the cable that FAD use actually used in super computer with very high speed.

i hope the balanced cable is the same, i used a nice silver litz cable and the character changed a bit in the direction to the utopias, for me the lab2 are so well tuned with the stock cable that i don't want to change that. look at headgear similar to cars, the koenigsegg regera is one of the fastest track cars, a bentley continental speed great on a german autobahn and the smoothest drive may be a rolls royce phantom, all three cars are great, it's the same thing with headphones/earphones.
 
Mar 8, 2017 at 2:54 PM Post #6,986 of 11,643
Well I have just picked up the last pair of Lab2 in US. I was told there may be one pair of demo left in Europe and FAD will not be doing anymore LAB 2. Will post pics tomorrow when I get it. Actually the Lab 2 has been sold out for a few months now.
 
Mar 8, 2017 at 3:02 PM Post #6,987 of 11,643
Also learned that FAD will announce a planar headphone at the Munich Audio Fest.
 
Mar 8, 2017 at 7:04 PM Post #6,988 of 11,643
Well I have just picked up the last pair of Lab2 in US. I was told there may be one pair of demo left in Europe and FAD will not be doing anymore LAB 2. Will post pics tomorrow when I get it. Actually the Lab 2 has been sold out for a few months now.


Lucky man!
 
Mar 8, 2017 at 8:51 PM Post #6,989 of 11,643
  Anybody know what the US retail is for the LAB II? Also, any observations on the sound would be greatly appreciated.

Indeed I was lucky.  When you asked about the Lab 2 I did not even think about it. So you could have called US FAD before me, you will be the lucky one 
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Mar 8, 2017 at 11:52 PM Post #6,990 of 11,643
Well I have just picked up the last pair of Lab2 in US. I was told there may be one pair of demo left in Europe and FAD will not be doing anymore LAB 2. Will post pics tomorrow when I get it. Actually the Lab 2 has been sold out for a few months now.

There's at least one pair in Australia still. A bargain at AUD 6,000 (USD 4,480)....
 
https://addictedtoaudio.com.au/collections/headphones/products/final-audio-lab-ii-balanced-armature-limited-edition-headphones
 
regards,
 
Giles
 

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