[Roller]

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I have not read much on the Voodoo kernel. i know it's there but it's not mentioned too too much. in terms of true DAC ability however on the standard OS. the iPhone always wins. but like you said. Voodoo. im not going to go into this subject as i have not yet heard Samsung Galaxy device with Voodoo and I wont' take others opinions on it. despite most saying..they are not going to be biased towards Apple...you don't know how many people say that..and then start getting biased towards Apple.

Then listen to the Wolfson DAC and find out for yourself.

 

[Roller]

Out of curiosity, which seem to be the best vendors in Europe to get Fiio products, especially E17?

 

[bowei006]

I have listened to a Wolfson DAC..i have one..i have a couple devices with Wolfson in them but in terms of just Samsung Galaxy Wolfson. I will be some time in the future. however. that is without any Voodoo kernels. i have had conversations with many people that have Samsung Galaxies and no love of Apple. and still say. by default iPhone is better. Just because it's Wolfson doesn't make it the best.

 

[JamesFiiO]

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Out of curiosity, which seem to be the best vendors in Europe to get Fiio products, especially E17?

It depend on where you are, we may present at iFA 2012 so we can find more distributor in Europe especially 
 
in France, Germany, Italy and some other non English spoken countries. I think people in there may not interested
 
in head-fi.org but tend to discuss in local thread so the local company will not interested in selling our amp too.
 
Anyway, it is not suitable for us to tell you who are the best because it is not fair to our customer. we already
 
updated the newest information of the shipment of E17 on our website.
 
 

 

[JamesFiiO]

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I have listened to a Wolfson DAC..i have one..i have a couple devices with Wolfson in them but in terms of just Samsung Galaxy Wolfson. I will be some time in the future. however. that is without any Voodoo kernels. i have had conversations with many people that have Samsung Galaxies and no love of Apple. and still say. by default iPhone is better. Just because it's Wolfson doesn't make it the best.

Wolfson have so many different DAC and they don't sound as the same , so far we have not found any cell phone use WM8740 which is used on some DAC and E17.
 
The best DAC chip from Wolfson is WM8740, WM8741, WM742, but only WM8740 is designed for portable use.

 

[bowei006]

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Wolfson have so many different DAC and they don't sound as the same , so far we have not found any cell phone use WM8740 which is used on some DAC and E17.
 
The best DAC chip from Wolfson is WM8740, WM8741, WM742, but only WM8740 is designed for portable use.

That's what I meant by just it being Wolfson doesn't mean it's good. the Wolfson in the Gaaxies are not high performance models like the e17 and others.
 
I'm trying not to get back into mass posting on this thread
 
http://fiio.com.cn/news/index.aspx?ID=183
 
but in case no one has noticed. Micca store has just received the new shipment..what does this mean? START REFRESHING THEIR PAGE EVERY COUPLE HOURS NOW 

 
Micca got their stock on 1-16 the first time and sale went up on the 24th. if they follow about the same pattern. it should be around 23rd of this month. don't quote me on this.
 

 

[lshalamb]

 
Thank you for your answer. It does mean a lot that you are willing to work with us. If you could only push mp4nation to arrange preorder list so that they notified people if they are going to receive their preordered item - would be just spectacular. What I mean by this is: say, you tell mp4nation that you are going to ship them 1000 units, they make a list of customers who will receive those units and e-mail each one of us, notifying "your preorder for batch 2 is been confirmed" or vice-versa "unfortunately we will be unable to fulfill your preorder for 2nd batch". That's all I need as your indirect customer and direct consumer.
About arranging preorders: I never said you do, I pointed out that you should inform your distributors to whether how much units they are receiving in future so that THEY could plan their preorders (if any at all) ahead of time and avoid such situations. Distributors want to maximize the money. You as a producer want a brand name instead. This is why you ideally want to work with distributors to make sure they don't try to catch short-term benefit on your long-term expense.
You would have to excuse my partial incompetence, I can only speak to things that are generally common for international businesses from my practice as I am not familiar with the way you conduct operations. Your throughput time is affected by your suppliers, I can see that, but you can work on process time as it solely depends on you.
And finally, yes, you are right, I'm just trying to help you folks receive the feedback that can actually help your business! Let us know how your negotiation with mp4nation ends and to what outcome.
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Very sorry for the situation, but we had never  arranged any pre order because we don't sell to end customer directly. and I will talk with MP4nation about it to make sure
 
they can inform their customer know how many uint that we can supply to them.so they can stop any pre order when the quantity reach the limited.
 
Also usually we will produce only 1,000 pcs in first batch and the second batch will be 5,000 pcs. and it take about 45 days from first batch to second batch , but between
 
them we meet a long holiday for the Chinese New year, so we have to wait till the whole supply chain back to normal.   
 
 
Anyway , thanks for your feedback and it can help us learn more about how to run a global business. we will try out best to improve our work in the future.
 

 

 

[Delgadido]

Micca Store Thanks for all the interest. Looks like a few minutes the FiiO E17's made land-fall in the US, DHL wasted no time in doing the customs clearing. It looks like we may get this a bit early, hopefully Tuesday 2/21.

I am glad I waited for them to receive their stuff
 

 

[Roller]

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I have listened to a Wolfson DAC..i have one..i have a couple devices with Wolfson in them but in terms of just Samsung Galaxy Wolfson. I will be some time in the future. however. that is without any Voodoo kernels. i have had conversations with many people that have Samsung Galaxies and no love of Apple. and still say. by default iPhone is better. Just because it's Wolfson doesn't make it the best.

Clearly you haven't listened to the Galaxy S. And I was talking about its Wolfson DAC, not some generic Wolfson DAC, so avoid lecturing and have a listen to it.

 
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It depend on where you are, we may present at iFA 2012 so we can find more distributor in Europe especially 
 
in France, Germany, Italy and some other non English spoken countries. I think people in there may not interested
 
in head-fi.org but tend to discuss in local thread so the local company will not interested in selling our amp too.
 
Anyway, it is not suitable for us to tell you who are the best because it is not fair to our customer. we already
 
updated the newest information of the shipment of E17 on our website.
 
 

feiao, I'm presently in Portugal and it's relatively hard to get Fiio products, which have to be imported. This fact is a shame because there is a growing audiophile community here, and many would love for an easier product availability.

 

[bowei006]

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Clearly you haven't listened to the Galaxy S. And I was talking about its Wolfson DAC, not some generic Wolfson DAC, so avoid lecturing and have a listen to it.

 


feiao, I'm presently in Portugal and it's relatively hard to get Fiio products, which have to be imported. This fact is a shame because there is a growing audiophile community here, and many would love for an easier product availability.

only problem is.....i don't have one accessible to me. ..why go to the store ? i want to be able to load a couple of my songs on there and do an comparison of the two. sometime in the future i guess..or maybe not.
 

 

[beaver316]

So im thinking of getting the E17, but i have a few questions. Im pretty new to this site, and audio in general.
 
So i have an iPod Nano 2nd gen, in other words, a very old mp3 player with pretty bad sound and terrible amp. If i were to connect it to the E17, the DAC and Amp in the E17 are used for the audio and bypass the DAC and Amp in the iPod. Is this right? So it wouldnt matter at all whether i have the best mp3 player in the world or the worst, as long as it's connected to the E17 then i'll get the same sound, generated from the E17 right?
 
Also, what would be a better way to connect my ipod to the E17? Using this:
 
http://www.audioelevation.co.uk/CartV3/images/ibassoCb03.jpg
 
or this:
 
http://shop.rabtron.co.za/catalog/images/3.5mm-jack-lead-male-to-male-stereo.jpg
 
Would there be a difference in sound quality between either of them?
 
Thanks!

 

[Stoney]

Forgive me for arriving just now after 104 pages... 
 
But can someone please point me to pages comparing the E7 to E17 with analog in?
I'm using an iPhone 4s, and the E7 is a great package for portable, but a bit flat in soundstage and slightly thin harmonically. 
(Oh, and where is it in stock? ... I found this answer: nowhere at the moment, post #1545)
 
I do wish there were a way to feed an iPhone digital out into the FiiO.
 
(PS: using Phonak 232 on foot, and Senn HD650 with PC.  Have Woo WA6 for living room.)
 
 
 
So far, I only found these limited comments: 
- E7 vs E17 technical comments - post #1303
- Digital out from iPhone is expensive and unnecessary.  http://www.head-fi.org/t/587912/fiio-e17-alpen-first-impression-final-thought/1515#post_8160089
- E7 is thin and lacking in dynamics somewhat on HD650, although E17 will not bring out their full capabilities.  "the E17 is a pretty decent step forward from the E7."  http://www.head-fi.org/t/587912/fiio-e17-alpen-first-impression-final-thought/1050#post_8110623
- Comments on E10 and E17 with HD650 - http://www.head-fi.org/t/587912/fiio-e17-alpen-first-impression-final-thought/1035#post_8110602
 
This website gives some sonic descriptions that seem useful: http://www.headfonia.com/the-upgrade-fiio-e17-alpen/

 

[bowei006]

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So im thinking of getting the E17, but i have a few questions. Im pretty new to this site, and audio in general.
 
So i have an iPod Nano 2nd gen, in other words, a very old mp3 player with pretty bad sound and terrible amp. If i were to connect it to the E17, the DAC and Amp in the E17 are used for the audio and bypass the DAC and Amp in the iPod. Is this right? So it wouldnt matter at all whether i have the best mp3 player in the world or the worst, as long as it's connected to the E17 then i'll get the same sound, generated from the E17 right?
 
Also, what would be a better way to connect my ipod to the E17? Using this:
 
http://www.audioelevation.co.uk/CartV3/images/ibassoCb03.jpg
 
or this:
 
http://shop.rabtron.co.za/catalog/images/3.5mm-jack-lead-male-to-male-stereo.jpg
 
Would there be a difference in sound quality between either of them?
 
Thanks!

The E17 will only bypass the amp. it will not bypass DAC on ipods. the top wire is the one you want to use. ibasso is too expensive. get an fiio L3 or L9. not the L1. Your PMP's DAC will affect how your music sounds. the nano if i remember sports a Wolfson.not sure how good it is as my Nano currently has issues
 
so basically E17 can only bypass amp. Get the first wire. It's called an LOD. Apple has very good LOD on their ipods..not sure about nano 2nd gen but it should.
 
yes there is a sound difference in between. LOD's(the first one) will bypass teh ipods internal amp, and the second one will not. you will dual amp with the second one. dual amp means..use both amps. ipod amps in general are like any other consumer amp. very hiss prone, has noise and staticy. the LOD will remove this and give you a straight analog signal from the DAC which is then fed straight into the E17's pre amp and then amp
 
Hope this helps. need any clarification
 
Stoney:
 
Most people compare the E7 to E17 through analog in. they use the same DAC...so the differences most people hear should actually be from the two amps themselves.
 

 

[Stoney]

 
 
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Most people compare the E7 to E17 through analog in.

 
I haven't seen many comparisons yet.  I suppose that is because the first batch was only 1000.  I now see that it is pre-order or not available.  I'll wait into March or beyond to expect inventory... and hence, reviews.  

 

[bowei006]

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I haven't seen many comparisons yet.  I suppose that is because the first batch was only 1000.  I now see that it is pre-order or not available.  I'll wait into March or beyond to expect inventory... and hence, reviews.  

I was talking about CLIEO and mike at headfonia.  

 they all posted on E17 differences from E7.