[ahmonge]

s there anyway to figure out in general how many db the 2 are off at a given frequency?

You have to choose the magnitude fior the comparison: same voltage or same power? Besides, as the sensitivity is measured at a certain frequency (usually 1 kHz), the difference is only valid for this specific frequency. According to the ASR sensitivity figures you provide, the Noire gives 3.2 dB more than the E3 at the same voltage.

 

[gonintendo]

You have to choose the magnitude fior the comparison: same voltage or same power? Besides, as the sensitivity is measured at a certain frequency, the difference is only valid for this specific frequency. According to the ASR sensitivity figures you provide, the Noire gives 3.2 dB more than the E3 at the same voltage.

IMO this is where just measuring average SPL is probably not sufficient, as the noire didn’t really scale much beyond a certain power level in dynamics but E3 definitely does. I’d personally budget for quite a bit more power for E3 than for noire

 

[ahmonge]

IMO this is where just measuring average SPL is probably not sufficient, as the noire didn’t really scale much beyond a certain power level in dynamics but E3 definitely does. I’d personally budget for quite a bit more power for E3 than for noire

My calculations are valid assuming that both headphones have a linear transfer function between voltage (or power) and sound pressure. It would be interesting to know the limits beyond which both headphones no longer meet this assumption.

 

[gonintendo]

My calculations are valid assuming that both headphones have a linear transfer function between voltage (or power) and sound pressure. It would be interesting to know the limits beyond which both headphones no longer meet this assumption.

on E3 bigger amp = more boom boom,
not so on noire

 

[gonintendo]

E3 is a much more resolving headphone, so it’s entirely possible that the scaling I’m hearing is not due to my more power on tap but to the more powerful amps being more resolving (which is true)

 

[mrspeakers]

@mrspeakers or anyone who would know the answer. Given the sensitivity of the Noire and the E3 is there anyway to figure out in general how many db the 2 are off at a given frequency?
I get that there is a lot to consider but I'm just trying to get and Idea. I see ASR has the Noire at 353mv to get them to 94db and the E3 at 512mv for the same db. Anyway to tell from that?

~2-3db

 

[Cecala]

All the preaching doesn't help...people just have to learn to compare one model with the other side by side...only then will they realize the true differences

Nomax

PS.And if I'm not 100% sure, I go somewhere where I can get certainty with my ears

While this is obviously true, not everyone has access to places depicted in your photo and therefore unfortunately have to contend with other peoples opinion on the matter.

 

[Nomax]

Yes, I understand......but I also always take a long journey once a month to get there
We in Austria don't have very many well-stocked stores either

NOMAX

 

[Nomax]

And quite honestly....tonally you don't need to worry about the E3....there are no other options for the closed models...DCA is the leader here
(It seems much more important to find sufficient amplifiers for yourself personally and for his headphones)

NOMAX

PS.The topic of clamping force should no longer be an issue at E3 for most people this time

 

[rockyraccon]

Wonder how these sound against the Stellia.

 

[Nomax]

Wonder how these sound against the Stellia.

The problem of the Stellia as well as the Radiance...woom woom at the highest level
(The Focal Elegia but only with the celestee pads is not bad for this little price or Bathys)



NOMAX

PS.And this interferes the rest of the performance and is more than distracting
The same applies also to the HD820

My personal conclusion
️Bass/low end and fun yes.....but the whole thing should be in harmony with the rest of the performance....tonally as well as technically️

 

[Lohb]

The problem of the Stellia as well as the Radiance...woom woom at the highest level
(The Focal Elegia but only with the celestee pads is not bad for this little price or Bathys)



NOMAX

PS.And this interferes the rest of the performance and is more than distracting
The same applies also to the HD820

My personal conclusion
️Bass/low end and fun yes.....but the whole thing should be in harmony with the rest of the performance....tonally as well as technically️

Had any decent time with Kennerton Rognir to compare ?

Bit of a closed-back planar fan, love that density that comes with the enclosure....but tends to skew some aspect of FR badly with older CB's...

 

[DP42]

I am enjoying my E3's the longer I own them, there is no denying the quality and clarity of the sound. As Nomax stated, comparing back to back shows you what these headphones deliver. They cover all frequencies from top to bottom with balance, the vocals are good, sub bass is good, high end is there, and most important they do have dynamics. Snare drums have impact, guitar solo's can soar, strings sound plucked, bass drum and bass guitar are clearly defined. I was not initially wow'd by the E3 because I had been listening to my Audeze LCD-2C for several months, and fell in love with the rich, lush sound (which I still like). However, there is a trade off to rich and lush, it does tend to be a one trick pony. Back to back against the E3 on some track it seems far behind for details and impact. Finally, the distortion is very low, and easy on the ears, sounds good at low volume, but even better if you crank them up a bit.

In the end, you might ask yourself is this headphone worth $2K? Are you enjoying the sonic experience, does it transport you, give you emotion, connecting with the song? I would have to say yes to all of the above, I am happy with the headphones. As far as $2k price tag, well I suppose you could compare them to the experience you might get from $2K speakers, sonically (details) they are better than a set of $2K speakers (e.g. my KEF R3's in a poorly treated room). I just think a lot of people view $2K for headphones is crazy, I being one of them, but that is the price of admission. I know a lot of work went into developing and building these headphones, so the cost represents that.

 

[CFGamescape]

I am enjoying my E3's the longer I own them, there is no denying the quality and clarity of the sound. As Nomax stated, comparing back to back shows you what these headphones deliver. They cover all frequencies from top to bottom with balance, the vocals are good, sub bass is good, high end is there, and most important they do have dynamics. Snare drums have impact, guitar solo's can soar, strings sound plucked, bass drum and bass guitar are clearly defined. I was not initially wow'd by the E3 because I had been listening to my Audeze LCD-2C for several months, and fell in love with the rich, lush sound (which I still like). However, there is a trade off to rich and lush, it does tend to be a one trick pony. Back to back against the E3 on some track it seems far behind for details and impact.

In the end, you might ask yourself is this headphone worth $2K? Are you enjoying the sonic experience, does it transport you, give you emotion, connecting with the song? I would have to say yes to all of the above, I am happy with the headphones. As far as $2k price tag, well I suppose you could compare them to the experience you might get from $2K speakers, sonically (details) they are better than a set of $2K speakers (e.g. my KEF R3's in a poorly treated room). I just think a lot of people view $2K for headphones is crazy, I being one of them, but that is the price of admission. I know a lot of work went into developing and building these headphones, so the cost represents that.

I'm pretty happy with the E3, too. It's only been a few days, but there's a lot to like, as you mentioned. I agree with your assessment. My other headphone is the HE1000se, which I love; it's my favorite headphone. The E3 is a great complement to it. Both share qualities in being detailed and balanced. The E3 has better impact, the HE1000se has better treble detail.

I love the fact that the E3 is closed-back while sounding open. That's a huge win for me. It's not as open as a true open-back, but it's the best closed-back I've heard. All my previous "best" closed-backs have been from DCA, with the last one being the Aeon 2 Noire (never heard the Stealth). The E3 takes it up a notch or two for sure.

 

[DP42]

I'm pretty happy with the E3, too. It's only been a few days, but there's a lot to like, as you mentioned. I agree with your assessment. My other headphone is the HE1000se, which I love; it's my favorite headphone. The E3 is a great complement to it. Both share qualities in being detailed and balanced. The E3 has better impact, the HE1000se has better treble detail.

I love the fact that the E3 is closed-back while sounding open. That's a huge win for me. It's not as open as a true open-back, but it's the best closed-back I've heard. All my previous "best" closed-backs have been from DCA, with the last one being the Aeon 2 Noire (never heard the Stealth). The E3 takes it up a notch or two for sure.

Yeah, I was cross shopping several $2K models before getting the E3. HE1000se and LCD-3 were on the list. I would love to have a sample from every brand . I based my decision on the recent hype train, I believe it paid off. DMS made a good point in a video awhile back, we can get bored with a particular sound signature over time no matter how perfect it is. But, then you get another set of cans and re-listen to all your favorite albums again. This can be done with $500 cans, $2K, or $4k cans. I think $2K is the highest I will ever go, would have to get summit-fi cans used it I ever want to try those.