[Hisoundfi]

Thanks, but not better unamplified? I really think that the soundstage depth on the kc06 is pretty non existent so I would really need a big imporvement to be interested......

To put it in another way: do the two have a similar overall ss?

They are not alike. Kc06 is brighter, thinner sounding than the t1e.

T1e has more sub bass, warmer mids, and less bright treble.

Kc06 is more balanced and detailed.

T1e is more full sounding and musical IMHO

It's a different tuning.

PS I don't understand how you can like the ax35 and not the kc06. IMHO they sound similar.

 

[Hisoundfi]

Kc06 is a very sensitive iem that doesn't need amplification.

All 3 of my dual dynamic driver iems sound decent unamped, but need an amp to sound their best (t1e, IM50, b3)

 

[twister6]

Thanks, but not better unamplified? I really think that the soundstage depth on the kc06 is pretty non existent so I would really need a big imporvement to be interested......

To put it in another way: do the two have a similar overall ss?

 
Hmm, maybe you had a bad KC06?  Both KC06 and KC06A I tested had above the average width/depth.  The only difference is that KC06/KC06A were manufactured in June, had new packaging, and I have a feeling KC06 was slightly  tweaked to match some KC06A characteristics (though Ostry denies that).
 
But damn, I'm itching to order Havi B3 Pro (old version).  That's the one you guys raving about details and soundstage when amped?

 

[mochill]

DO IT!!!!!^

 

[twister6]

DO IT!!!!!^

Very tempted, considering I'm waiting for E11k now

 

[mochill]

My havi b3 pro 1 should be here any day now

 

[Baycode]

   
Hmm, maybe you had a bad KC06?  Both KC06 and KC06A I tested had above the average width/depth. 

 
Are you referring to this thread while discussing audio terms: http://www.head-fi.org/a/describing-sound-a-glossary
 
...this can clear any discussions regarding hp/iem sound terminology.
 
"Soundstage depth" and only "Depth" are not exactly the same thing...
 
 
Side note:
 
The weakest part on my KC06 Gold was the "soundstage depth". It was the shallowest I have ever experienced from an iem.

 

[Kamakahah]

 I really think that the soundstage depth on the kc06 is pretty non existent so I would really need a big imporvement to be interested......

 
 

   
Hmm, maybe you had a bad KC06?  Both KC06 and KC06A I tested had above the average width/depth.  The only difference is that KC06/KC06A were manufactured in June, had new packaging, and I have a feeling KC06 was slightly  tweaked to match some KC06A characteristics (though Ostry denies that).
 
But damn, I'm itching to order Havi B3 Pro (old version).  That's the one you guys raving about details and soundstage when amped?

 
I felt the same way as peter123 when it came to the KC06A. Soundstage depth and height was pretty poor. I thought it may have been the tracks, but I was
had listened to those tracks hundreds of times and know them well. Binaural recordings really highlighted the shortcoming when I wanted to double check.
The source/amp seemed to affect it pretty heavily for whatever reason. Normally, I find small changes depending on changes to the source chain: However, when I used the line-out on the X3 to an amp, it showed improvement but overall still a glaring weakness. It may have been a bit of an exaggeration on my part to refer to it as a "wall of sound" but it felt pretty accurate at the time. 
 
It is still a fantastic earphone. If the weaknesses don't seem as upfront as they did to us, all the better. It's hard to beat it with anything around its price point if the downsides aren't that big of a deal to the owner. 

 

[Hisoundfi]

Hmm, maybe you had a bad KC06?  Both KC06 and KC06A I tested had above the average width/depth.  The only difference is that KC06/KC06A were manufactured in June, had new packaging, and I have a feeling KC06 was slightly  tweaked to match some KC06A characteristics (though Ostry denies that).

But damn, I'm itching to order Havi B3 Pro (old version).  That's the one you guys raving about details and soundstage when amped?

Price or not, havi b3 pro I is one of the best iems out there, period. PS it only gets better and better with burn in.

 

[twister6]

I might have to go back and re-listen again.  I jump from one in-ear to another...  I thought it had a good stereo separation and position of instruments where I was able to pin point everything (talking about instrument depth and layering) and in general sound was wide enough though did felt like sitting in the front raw (in reference to soundstage width/depth).  Keep in mind, I'm using AP100 DAP which does some wonders to stereo separation enhancement once you select hardware resampling to 192k/24b.  For the reference, in that setup Tenores felt like I'm in a stadium with a decent reverbation.

 

[peter123]

They are not alike. Kc06 is brighter, thinner sounding than the t1e.

T1e has more sub bass, warmer mids, and less bright treble.

Kc06 is more balanced and detailed.

T1e is more full sounding and musical IMHO

It's a different tuning.

PS I don't understand how you can like the ax35 and not the kc06. IMHO they sound similar.

 
Thank you!  
 
I only really enjoyed the AX-35 after modding it. Once modded I'd rank it top 3 among my IEM's.
 

   
Hmm, maybe you had a bad KC06?  Both KC06 and KC06A I tested had above the average width/depth.  The only difference is that KC06/KC06A were manufactured in June, had new packaging, and I have a feeling KC06 was slightly  tweaked to match some KC06A characteristics (though Ostry denies that).
 
But damn, I'm itching to order Havi B3 Pro (old version).  That's the one you guys raving about details and soundstage when amped?

Many others have the same impression so I doubt that they're bad. If I wasn't so used to the B3 I'd probably not have felt it in such an obvious way that I did.
 

   
Are you referring to this thread while discussing audio terms: http://www.head-fi.org/a/describing-sound-a-glossary
 
...this can clear any discussions regarding hp/iem sound terminology.
 
"Soundstage depth" and only "Depth" are not exactly the same thing...
 
 
Side note:
 
The weakest part on my KC06 Gold was the "soundstage depth". It was the shallowest I have ever experienced from an iem.

Agreed!
 

   
 
 
I felt the same way as peter123 when it came to the KC06A. Soundstage depth and height was pretty poor. I thought it may have been the tracks, but I was
had listened to those tracks hundreds of times and know them well. Binaural recordings really highlighted the shortcoming when I wanted to double check.
The source/amp seemed to affect it pretty heavily for whatever reason. Normally, I find small changes depending on changes to the source chain: However, when I used the line-out on the X3 to an amp, it showed improvement but overall still a glaring weakness. It may have been a bit of an exaggeration on my part to refer to it as a "wall of sound" but it felt pretty accurate at the time. 
 
It is still a fantastic earphone. If the weaknesses don't seem as upfront as they did to us, all the better. It's hard to beat it with anything around its price point if the downsides aren't that big of a deal to the owner. 

Thanks, I knew I was not the only one that felt this way but couldn't remember who else, other than Baycode, right away.

Price or not, havi b3 pro I is one of the best iems out there, period. PS it only gets better and better with burn in.

+100 

 

 

[twister6]

Hmm, I'm pretty sure I was sober when I tested those lol!!!  OK, feeling a peer pressure to go back and re-evaluate my impressions

 

[peter123]

  Hmm, I'm pretty sure I was sober when I tested those lol!!!  OK, feeling a peer pressure to go back and re-evaluate my impressions

LOL!
 
I just ordred the T1e but went cheap and got them from Aliexpress. 

 

[Hisoundfi]

Are you referring to this thread while discussing audio terms: http://www.head-fi.org/a/describing-sound-a-glossary

...this can clear any discussions regarding hp/iem sound terminology.

"Soundstage depth" and only "Depth" are not exactly the same thing...


Side note:

The weakest part on my KC06 Gold was the "soundstage depth". It was the shallowest I have ever experienced from an iem.

Thanks for posting that awesome link. I just bookmarked it for future reference. It will definitely come in handy the next time Ittry to describe a pair of phones.

Cheers

 

[Hisoundfi]

LOL!

I just ordred the T1e but went cheap and got them from Aliexpress. :wink_face:

I hope you enjoy them as much as I do.

PS I'm still waiting for you to pick up those GR07BE meng!!! They're worth every penny!!!