[beeman458]

...and they're often cited as being slow and not very good for rock.
 
Don't know about what others have to say, but the HD-650's are fine for rock.
 
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FWIW, running mine with a Xonar STX.
 

 

[Maxvla]

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+1 for ad2000, amazon has them for $489.99 right now which is a killer price!  
 
The ad2000 does every genre well, but most important to me is how it somehow does both Rock and Classical evenly well. 
 
It's weird that they often get overlooked so often, must be some kind of conspiracy. 
 

They are kind of in no mans land at $500. Most people looking for a good mid-range pair of cans are really looking around $200-$400. People looking for better than that are your D7000/T1/HD800 people looking $800+.

 

[PointyFox]

 
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That's pretty much my thoughts on both of them (though I have the 250 ohm version) as well. What's your take on the highs for both?
 

The highs are much better on the D2000, since it doesn't have the huge 8-10kHz bump which makes them too bright.  The D2000 is definately more balanced.

 
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I agree completely. They are even significantly cheaper.
 
@PF
 
Glad to see you liked the DT990s. The sibilance is one of the things that was brought up in your old thread. I'm sorry it didn't quite work out for you, but did you prefer the tonality overall of the DT990s to the K70X?
 
You should try HD600 if you still have that amp. I don't know if they will really shine well enough with the STX. I was using a 350mW amp with mine originally and it sounded great, then upgraded to a 2W+ balanced tube amp and it was a total shock at the improvement.

I liked the flatness of the K70x's mids and highs.  At first I didn't like the lack of low-mid bass, which made anything with bass sound plasticky, but it seemed to be increasing with burn-in to the point where I started not to mind the bass. Also, I'm probably the only one, but I'm worried about the elastic bands on them.  Elastic doesn't age well.
 
 
I'm returning them both for now.  I might try the Sennheiser HD6x0.  It's a tough decision between the DT990 and D2000.  I like the DT990's bass impact, cord, and soundstage, but I'd probably  get the D2000s since they're more balanced and I like their build quality better except for the cable.  Horrible cable.

 

 

[Alrod]

Here is another vote for the HD650's

 

[Vincent01]

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Here is another vote for the HD650's

 
+1
If the rock music is well recorded/studio-engineered sounds great on them. 

 

[stang]

I listen to mainly rock and metal. I have compared HD580 (just like HD600), DT880 600ohm and DT990 250 ohm. The DT990 were the worst IMO. Too much bass emphasis, mids were too laid back and highs were too prominent as well. HD580 had better (well, more prominent) mids than DT880, but I prefer the DT880 600ohm overall. This was tested with a Midnight Oil CD with my M^3 amplifier (had OPA627 opamps then). I actually prefer my DT880>M^3 over my Grado HF-2>MAD Ear+ HD for rock and metal. Grado's have something about them I don't like. They are very bright to my ears and fatiguing. They also lack the soundstage and instrument seperation of the DT880>M^3 combo.

 

[beeman458]

FWIW, I know some don't "believe" in the need to break in headphones and think the need to break in a set of headphones is all a bunch of who-eee but my set of HD-650's have opened way up in regard to instrument separation as the sound stage has clearly widened.
 
And a word to the wise, don't bother OpAmp rolling until your amp and headphones are fully broke in as you'll just be adding mush to your efforts as the cans and amp mature down the road.
 

 

[Alrod]

I was as one time one of those that scoffed at the idea of breaking in speakers / headphones.  Now I wouldn't think of not breaking in them in.  To my ears there is most definitely a difference.  Just my .02

 

[stang]

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I was as one time one of those that scoffed at the idea of breaking in speakers / headphones.  Now I wouldn't think of not breaking in them in.  To my ears there is most definitely a difference.  Just my .02

I always burn/break in my equipment. I will try everything when it is brand new and write impressions, then after about 150 hours and write impressions, then 250 and write impressions and then once I get to 350, I will begin listening and write a review at about 400-500 hours. I know barely anything needs that many hours, but I would like to have peace of mind anyway.

 

[MacedonianHero]

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I listen to mainly rock and metal. I have compared HD580 (just like HD600), DT880 600ohm and DT990 250 ohm. The DT990 were the worst IMO.

There's your issue...they were the 250 ohm variants. The 600 ohm DT880/770/990s are quite flat and not anywhere as "U" shaped as their poorer cousins.

 

[NapalmK]

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There's your issue...they were the 250 ohm variants. The 600 ohm DT880/770/990s are quite flat and not anywhere as "U" shaped as their poorer cousins.

That's reassuring. I agree with stang DT990/250 were quite bad, imo. I'm planning on getting some 600 ohm drivers for them soon to see what all the fuss is about. How's the treble on the 600 compared to the 250?

 

[MacedonianHero]

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That's reassuring. I agree with stang DT990/250 were quite bad, imo. I'm planning on getting some 600 ohm drivers for them soon to see what all the fuss is about. How's the treble on the 600 compared to the 250?

No where near as hot or metallic. they are very balanced. The DT880/600s were the most balanced of the three however.

 

[nathanv]

i like rock, ska, and reggae, should i get the hf2 or the hd650

 

[Maxvla]

I'd lean to HF2 out of those choices unless you've got a serious amp for those HD650s.

 

[FinBenton]

HD600 ++ /w Auzentech Forte
 
Loved them from the first second  I listened to something with them. Best thing Iw ever heard.