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AP80 - Hidizs next portable Hi-Res music player

Discussion in 'Portable Source Gear' started by IryxBRO, Apr 24, 2018.
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  1. Seb Julien
    I just hope I am not breaking any rules here (I have read the entire email the mods just sent me), since I just created my account and it will be my first post ever. I am sorry in advance.

    I just finished reading the entire 179 pages related to the Hidizs AP80, and I saw 2-3 people having problems with the battery longevity. It is the first of March, anyone else since then is having the same problems?
    I have been listening to the device since 8 this morning. It is 13h pm (1 pm) where I live and it will be a miracle if the battery last 6 hours of normal listening using FLAC. It is pretty far from the promised 15 hours.
    Am I doing something wrong? Is there a setting somewhere eating at my battery? Bluetooth is off, I don't see anything else. Its sad because I really enjoy the device except for a few problems.
    Like the wobbling knob and the device cannot scan my albums and create a playlist. I really think the battery will be totally dead in the following months. Is it possible to change it for a better one?

    Thank you for your time, have a nice day.
     
  2. dnaimad
    Yes, you have to be careful with screen on time or battery goes fast. I haven't timed it accurately but I think I'm getting 8ish hours with FLACs. Will do a proper test soon.
     
  3. Seb Julien
    Thank you for the reply. I contacted the seller on Aliexpress. And the first thing he asked me was what kind of music I was listening...
    He probably asked what kind of files I was using because I don't think listening to classical music or metal will make a difference... I had a couple of cheap Mp3 readers in the past. They where all capable of reading FLAC, etc. But I think there is a big difference with the AP80 when reading high res files and lower res files. I tried playing 16 bits files on loop, and yes it drains the battery a lot less. I love the device but on Ali they promise between 10-20 hours of playtime (on the same page somewhere else it is written 15), pretty sure they would have sell the device without lying about it. At least they where fast to answer on the same day.
     
  4. Winterheim
    Interesting. Started getting issues with BT streaming over LDAC between my Samsung S8 and my AP80 after a security patch. After upgrading OS to Android Pie, LDAC BT streaming between S8 and AP80 are working fine now.

    Anyone else using a Samsung S8 encounter this issue before?
     
  5. spbkaizo
    I've never even managed to pair my OnePlus3 with the AP80. Be curious if others have. Also I'm entirely unclear what the process is meant to be for pairing - do you use the AP80 to connect to the target, or the target connects to the AP80...

    The only successful connection it's ever made is to a BT audio receiver in a miniamp I've got...
     
  6. moisespr123
    Yes, and also with the Android Pie beta. Upgrading to the final Android Pie release in my S9+ fixed the LDAC problem. It's been working fine ever since.
     
  7. Sven2015
    What kind of "power off" has the AP80? A few days ago the internal watch was not set anymore and had the default value of the factory reset (although no reset happened just a normal device start). In addition no "last postition" saved.....
     
  8. GuywhoLikesHIFI
    I can connect my ap80 to my Mi Pad 4 over Bluetooth and it runs android 8. Haven't tried Ldac though.
    I'm really enjoying my AP80.
     
  9. greatwhite58
    Hi All, I am fairly new to the DAP world and would like your help on a function with my AP80 please. The problem I have is that when I add a photo of the Album cover art to the album folder it does not show on the AP80. Am I doing something wrong? Thanks in advance for your help.
     
  10. Sven2015
    It seems, AP80 uses embedded pics, I deleted all my second pics from all my folders excluding the embedded pics within the files.You can try to add your cover with MP3 tag (don't use hi res pictures - a normal jpg with 500*500 pixel is more than enough).
     
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  11. greatwhite58
    Thanks for the reply and info. Excuse my ignorance here but what is an MP3 tag and how do I add it? Thanks.
     
  12. AndySocial
    There is a system of metadata in MP3 files, the ID3 tag system. One of the tags is an embedded piece of art, which can be optionally tagged with Cover, Booklet, etc. Most music management software (MediaMonkey, MusicBee, etc) can search the internet for cover art and embed it, or drop it as a JPG or PNG in the same folder as the music file. FLAC files can also have cover art embedded, but some players don't like that and prefer the stand-alone JPG option. Not sure how picky the AP80 is about FLAC tags.

    From what I can tell, the AP80 can handle both embedded art up to maybe 500x500 pixels, and external images in the same directory . It seems folder.jpg works as a filename, but maybe others would as well (AlbumArt.jpg is a common one). All of this is guesswork, because Hidizs has never released a comprehensive instruction manual, and have gone completely missing from any attempt to ask them questions.
     
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  13. Sven2015
    normal MP3 / FLAC and DSD files can be used with embedded pics (not tested with other music files).
    Before I deleted all my pic-files from the folders, I had two kind of files - cover.jpg for the normal pic resolution (in my case 600*600) and folder.jpg with a thumbnail of the cover (200*200). In my case, AP80 does not use the files from the folder but the embedded cover (music playing via data base & via folder structure).
    For a standard tagging u can use the tag program MP3tag and in addition you can upload your cover to the related album and tag it....
    https://www.mp3tag.de/en/index.html
     
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  14. silverfishla
    A program like JRiver will embed the file images to your files easily. Simple as searching for image within the program and letting it attach to your files. But, if you have your files on the Ap80 in folders, you can add an image to it, and it will display for all the files in that folder (if they are not already tagged). The image needs to be labeled cover.jpeg or folder.jpeg. It cannot be named TinyTim.jpeg, for example.
    I can only imagine how frustrating it must be to have hundreds of Tiny Tim files and not have an image show up on your player.
     
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  15. Overclocked11
    I just received the AP80 today and although I haven't had too much hands on time with it, a couple things emerged to me right away (good and bad).

    Good:
    - Sound on it is really great.. I am using it with a pair of IMR R1 iems and the sound is bold, clean and plenty powerful. Reading around about this player the suggestion is that MSEB is pretty much a requirement to make it sing, but I find the output to the R1 to be awesome without it. With tinkering though, can see how it could really allow to dial in the precise sound you wish depending on your IEMs or music you're listening to.
    - MSEB provides LOTS of options to dial in the sound.. that is a really really nice feature that makes this player very versatile. EQ may or may not be necessary for most people, but is still nice to have as well.
    - UI is simple and works well, not that much lag in my experience so far, though there really shouldn't be anyway since its very lightweight intentionally.
    - Haven't had a chance to play consistent music through it, but find that the battery is pretty decent and charges quickly enough
    - Unit has just the right weight and is just the right size. Any smaller and it would be a bit too smaller, though it wouldn't hurt too bad if it were a bit bigger either.
    - buttons feel good, and fortunately mine doesn't have a loose volume wheel or anything
    - even when turned up I haven't heard the slightest bit of noise - I am playing 16bit/44.1 Flac - will try with higher rate tracks before long, but so far so good here.
    - the value based on its MSRP is undeniable. It gives a lot for price of entry and as someone who was just using IEMs with a phone as a source since forever, the upgrade in sound is staggering.

    Bad:
    - Buggy firmware is the biggest drawback with this unit without a doubt. Had to roll it back to 1.0 before it would scan and find more than 6 tracks no matter what I did. Tried with different SD cards, tried different files, using cable, using card reader.. made no difference. Only got past it once I placed more than 6 tracks using 1.0 and then updated to 1.0.1.. now its fine.
    - Artwork doesn't display correctly - I took a folder of 50 .flac, ensured that all tracks have artwork and that artwork displays in any player on my PC (WMP, Foobar) - uploaded to the player, and whether 1.0 or 1.0.1, most tracks don't display the artwork, meanwhile the rest do. Not sure what to make of this honestly.
    - Lack of any real documentation or description of what the firmware updates actually do is obviously concerning.
    - Support has notably been a concern in this thread and elsewhere on the net, so the general sentiment around this device it to proceed with caution and know that if you run into issues, you are likely on your own.

    Other thoughts:
    I've read quite a bit about build quality and support on this device - maybe I'm just optimistic, but Im not getting the vibe that this device will just up and brick itself after a month. It seems well built though obviously anything can happen. I suppose if one is rough with it it could be susceptible to damage like any other device, but my initial impression is not one of this device being fragile in any way.

    The Screen is passable. Not amazing by any stretch, but definitely good enough. At times the touch can be a bit unresponsive, though mostly its good.

    I also wanted to mention the soundstage, which I find to be one of the biggest changes coming from using a phone as a source - the soundstage and imaging is exceptional in comparison.. not even close. It certainly feels like a premium music player.

    For those who believe burn in is real (even on DAPs) I will certainly be listening to see how the characteristics change over time. So far though right out of box, I'm pretty impressed what this little dude is capable of.
     
    Last edited: Mar 12, 2019
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