USB-C to 3.5mm adapters (DAC) - Let's find the best

Dec 6, 2021 at 3:56 PM Post #3,241 of 6,968
Yes, DACport HD works great for sensitive IEMs because it does have user selectable Low Gain and the rotary volume adjustment is the best I have used so far, very refined and precise


Thanks very much for your reply/confirmation. The rotary volume is a nice feature.

The Cayin RU6 caught my eye also as it has a 99 step volume adjustment but it uses buttons whereas I think a rotary volume is just nicer to use.
 
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Dec 6, 2021 at 5:27 PM Post #3,242 of 6,968
Hi,

I am curious if you notice any dfference between the volume contols on the Chronos vs the RU6?
I think I read the Chronos has 48 individual steps (but canot recall where I read this) vs 99 steps on the RU6.
Yes they’re very different. The Chronos doesn’t really have independent volume control- when you hit the buttons it signals back to the device to change volume, so with an iPhone pressing the buttons changes the phone’s volume slider and you get 15 volume steps. When connected to my Windows laptop it changes the Windows slider or Audirvana output volume, and you get 50 steps for Windows (increases the 0-100 slider by two each press) or increases Audirvana by about 3 dB. In all honesty I’ve found I don’t even use the Chronos’ buttons, just change volume on my phone or laptop instead.

For the RU6 there’s 99 volume steps and two gain levels, and they’re fully independent from the host device volume, so it gives you much more control. It also remembers the gain and volume settings from one session to the next, so starts up at the same volume you last had it.
 
Dec 7, 2021 at 9:22 AM Post #3,243 of 6,968
Yes they’re very different. The Chronos doesn’t really have independent volume control- when you hit the buttons it signals back to the device to change volume, so with an iPhone pressing the buttons changes the phone’s volume slider and you get 15 volume steps. When connected to my Windows laptop it changes the Windows slider or Audirvana output volume, and you get 50 steps for Windows (increases the 0-100 slider by two each press) or increases Audirvana by about 3 dB. In all honesty I’ve found I don’t even use the Chronos’ buttons, just change volume on my phone or laptop instead.

For the RU6 there’s 99 volume steps and two gain levels, and they’re fully independent from the host device volume, so it gives you much more control. It also remembers the gain and volume settings from one session to the next, so starts up at the same volume you last had it.

Thanks for your reply.

the RU6 99 volume steps sounds ideal + the ability of the RU6 to remember the previous setting (volume/gain) used is definitly a useful feature.
e.g. I've been following the ifi xDSD Gryphon thread and some owners are reporting extreme volume fluctuations which could damage your IEM or worse - your hearing!
 
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Dec 7, 2021 at 9:25 AM Post #3,244 of 6,968
Yes, DACport HD works great for sensitive IEMs because it does have user selectable Low Gain and the rotary volume adjustment is the best I have used so far, very refined and precise
Hi Andy,

Sorry just a follow up question after reading reply from someyoungguy = does the DACport HD remember the volume setting when you reconnect it?
 
Dec 7, 2021 at 10:06 AM Post #3,245 of 6,968
Hi Andy,

Sorry just a follow up question after reading reply from someyoungguy = does the DACport HD remember the volume setting when you reconnect it?
Yes of course, it is an analogue rotary dial, not digital so not influenced by the source
 
Dec 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Post #3,247 of 6,968
Hey guys,

I am new to this world and trying to read through the posts to familiarize myself. In short, I recently purchased the CIEM UE Live and was underwhelmed with the sound quality. I realized it's most likely my lack of a quality converter and wanted a few recommendations. I am using an elik 3.5 to type C from amazon and believe I need something much better. I've seen good thing about the fiio ka3, THX Onyx, EarMen Sparrow, PEE51, DACport, S9 and iBasso DC05. I know the prices range quite a bit between these and I suppose I just want opinions on what the best direction is for my setup. I use a Samsung note 20 ultra and I have Tidal HIFI and recently installed Qobuz to see if I notice a difference. I appreciate the help!
 
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Dec 10, 2021 at 10:18 PM Post #3,248 of 6,968
Here is my "concise" comparison of several USB DACs and related sources, definitely biased, but purely from a personal perspective rather than “unbiased reviews of free samples”.

Apple USB DAC – Sound: 4.5/5; Overall: 5/5
The Apple dongle is just unbeatable to power most of IEMs at $8, if to think about it - some Apple pun on HiFi World, especially considering typical Apple prices. Clean, quite powerful, less colouring than most of the “HiFi” DACs. Not to take for granted for all simple USB DACs. Gor instance, most of my initial Amazon $10 purchases were unfortunately strongly hissing and hardly useful.

iBasso DC04 – Sound: 4.5/5; Overall: 3/5
Worst compatibility that I ever experienced – only 2 out 5 of my household devices worked right away. The cables became dangling on both sides - not life threatening, but hardly nice. So no iBasso anymore for me. The sound is fine, very close to E44, but overall just for $15 more, E44 is so much of a better choice, in my experience.

Shanling UA2 – Sound: 4/5; Overall: 3.5/5
Unduly warm, perceivable background noise with ESS 9038 (!); heats up notably; colouring. Overall, it clearly defeats the point, in my limited opinion, especially for the asking price. Furthermore, after reading the UP5 thread, with all the user troubles and the statement that 40%-ready software is OK according to a Shanling representative – Shanling is banned from my limited universe.

Tempotec Sonata HD pro – Sound: 4.5/5; Overall: 4.25/5
My first USB DAC that came bundled with Tempotec V1A. At first, I found it very “clinical” after my warm DAP. It grew on me to appreciate clean and clear Cirrus implementation. Arguably, a very good value, I am just spoiled to prefer E44.

Tempotec BHD –Sound 4.5/5 (subjectively, for all-BA IEMs; less for DDs); Overall: 4.25/5
While I can understand BHD limitations and overall more reserved opinion about it, BHD worked very well for me in combination with my several bright and agile all-BA IEMs, becoming my softer USB DAC of choice. BHD definitely softens the sound, and may not be the best choice with DDs, especially warm ones.

Tempotec E44 – Sound 5/5; Overall: 4.75/5
My personal favourite of all by sound, compatibility, aesthetics, and the ease of use. The balanced-unbalanced connector is also quite unique and nice. The only shortcoming perceived so far is somewhat fragile cables (BHD cable feels better). The sound is very open, dynamic and not much colouring (?), while more euphonic(?) compared to the Apple dongle.

Fiio BTR5 – Sound: 4.75/5 (in a DAC mode); Overall: 4.75/5
Really great by virtue of its quite neutral sound, very good power, nice compatibility and functions; never had problems with connections, operations, etc. Sounds the best in a DAC mode, but then the battery life is limited in a balanced mode, and the BT connection is not perfect. I would love to see BTR7 with a better battery, better BT range, even without a substantial DAC chip upgrade.

Fiio BTR3K – Sound 3.75/5, Overall: 4.5/5
Really cute, nicely functional and not the bad sound, though AK4377 are quite lame to my ears – both in BTR3K and especially in Tempotec V1A. (I do have strong idiosyncrasy with AK, AK4393 USB DAC was the only AE item that I had to return, perhaps a defective one, either by manufacturing or by the very design…). Back to BTR3K: great battery life and better BT range compared to BTR5. Very utilitarian.

E1DA SG3 – Sound 4.75-5/5 (w and w/o battery); Overall: 4.25/5
After initial WOW, the reality was a bit more sobering – needs some external software to manage the sound, pops up, notably hissing background, after ~2 minutes of not being used switches to hissing. It does require an external battery to sound it very best, another notable limitation. Though the ability to power iEMatch without much of the notable change in sound is totally amazing (!) and highly respectful. So for the sound above the convenience and relative value, it may be called “the best”, I can concede. At the same time, at $100+ with the additional software for $10 (strange and uncommon solicitation), the value proposition is arguably not exceptional.

Hiby FD1 – Sound 4.25/5; Overall: 4/5
An odd one, the form factor really did not work for me at all – surprisingly inconvenient. The sound is quite neutral, not offensive, but not exceptional. Two good short USB cables and the sticker happened to be more valuable to me that the unit itself. After some conversation to Hiby, when instead of trying to help me with the compatibility, all they could do is to push R2 - Hiby products are banned for me as well.

Conexant CX31993 – Sound: 4.25/5; Overall: 4.5/5
Feels more cheerful, compared to the Apple DAC, more emphasized treble; may work better with single DDs, especially warmer ones. Due to colouring may not be as universally recommended as the Apple dongle, in my opinion, though the value can be arguably similar.

Fosi HD pro (DAC/Amp) – Sound: 4.5/5; Overall: 4.5/5
Most brutal (unaltered(?)) implementation of ESS9038 that I have encountered . Some background noise is clearly apparent. I used it quite a bit for comparisons; can be very useful when a battery-powered DAC is needed.

Zishan Z4 (DAP) – Sound: 4.5/5; Overall: 5/5
I bought Z4 out of curiosity, worked perfectly so far, and amazing value! Quite direct implementation of ESS9038, some circuitry noise and some interference in the BT mode (all minor). The sound is somewhat with a bit more emphasized bass, so a touch softer/warmer compared to Fosi HD pro.

Lastly, Fiio Q1-II does not feel competitive to me anymore in the context of this comparison due to an overly warm nature and quite strong background noise; especially in the DAC mode (the amp mode is notably better and more useful).

Finally, my old DAP, Pioneer XDP 30R, being quite on a warmer/softer side, but with zero background noise is still much competitive by sound and remains of a somewhat unfulfilled conquest to match (habits, subjective preferences…)

So overall, if I were to keep only one USB DAC, it would be Tempotec E44. If I had to choose the most value – Apple USB DAC, undoubtedly. Sonata HD pro almost fits in-between along the price/value ratio. E1DA SG3 could be an option for the power above all. Fiio BTR5 is a very good BT source.

P. S. Edited for typos
 
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Dec 10, 2021 at 10:43 PM Post #3,249 of 6,968
Here is my "concise" comparison of several USB DACs and related sources, definitely biased, but purely from a personal perspective rather than “unbiased reviews of free samples”.

Apple USB DAC – Sound: 4.5/5; Overall: 5/5
The Apple dongle is just unbeatable to power most of IEMs at $8, if to think about it - some Apple pun on HiFi World, especially considering typical Apple prices. Clean, quite powerful, less colouring than most of the “HiFi” DACs. Not to take for granted for all simple USB DACs, for instance, most of my initial Amazon $10 purchases were unfortunately strongly hissing and hardly useful.

iBasso DC04 – Sound: 4.5/5; Overall: 3/5
Worst compatibility that I ever experienced – only 2 out 5 of my household devices worked right away. The cables became dangling on both sides - not life threatening, but hardly nice. So no iBasso anymore for me. The sound is fine, very close to E44, but overall just for $15 more, E44 is so much of a better choice, in my experience.

Shanling UA2 – Sound: 4/5; Overall: 3.5/5
Unduly warm, perceivable background noise with ESS 9038 (!); heats up notably; colouring. Overall, it clearly defeats the point, in my limited opinion, especially for the asking price. Furthermore, after reading the UP5 thread, with all the user troubles and the statement that 40%-ready software is OK according to a Shanling representative – Shanling is banned from my limited universe.

Tempotec Sonata HD pro – Sound: 4.5/5; Overall: 4.25/5
My first USB DAC that came bundled with Tempotec V1A. At first, I found it very “clinical” after clean Cirrus implementation. Arguably, a very good value, I am just spoiled to prefer E44.

Tempotec BHD –Sound 4.5/5 (subjectively, for all-BA IEMs, less for DDs); Overall: 4.25/5
While I can understand its limitations and overall more reserved opinion about it, BHD worked very well for me in combination with my several agile all-BA IEMs, becoming my softer USB DAC of choice. BHD definitely softens the sound, and may not be the best choice with DDs, especially warm ones.

Tempotec E44 – Sound 5/5; Overall: 4.75/5
My personal favourite of all by sound, compatibility, aesthetics, and the ease of use. The balanced-unbalanced connector is also quite unique and nice. The only shortcoming perceived so far is somewhat fragile cables (BHD cable feels better). The sound is very open, dynamic and not much colouring (?), while more euphonic(?) compared to the Apple dongle.

Fiio BTR5 – Sound: 4.75/5 (in a DAC mode); Overall: 4.75/5
Really great by virtue of its quite neutral sound, very good power, nice compatibility and functions; never had problems with connections, operations, etc. Sounds the best in a DAC mode, but then the battery life is limited in a balanced mode, and the BT connection is not perfect. I would love to see BTR7 with a better battery, better BT range, even without a substantial DAC chip upgrade.

Fiio BTR3K – Sound 3.75/5, Overall: 4.5/5
Really cute, nicely functional and not the bad sound, though AK4377 are quite lame to my ears – both in BTR3K and especially in Tempotec V1A. (I do have strong idiosyncrasy with AK, AK4393 USB DAC was the only AE item that I had to return, perhaps a defective one, either by manufacturing or by the very design…). Back to BTR3K: great battery life and better BT range compared to BTR5. Very utilitarian.

E1DA SG3 – Sound 4.75-5/5 (w and w/o battery); Overall: 4.25/5
After initial WOW, the reality was a bit more sobering – needs some external software to manage the sound, pops up, notably hissing background, after ~2 minutes of not being used switches to hissing. It does require an external battery to sound it very best, another notable limitation. Though the ability to power iEMatch without much of the notable change in sound is totally amazing (!) and highly respectful. So for the sound above the convenience and relative value, it may be called “the best”, I can concede. At the same time, at $100+ with the additional software for $10 (strange and uncommon solicitation), the value proposition is arguably not exceptional.

Hiby FD1 – Sound 4.25/5; Overall: 4/5
An odd one, the form factor really did not work for me at all – surprisingly inconvenient. The sound is quite neutral, not offensive, but not exceptional. Two good short USB cables and the sticker happened to be more valuable to me that the unit itself. After some conversation to Hiby, when instead of trying to help me with the compatibility, all they could do is to push R2 - Hiby products are banned for me as well.

Conexant CX31993 – Sound: 4.25/5; Overall: 4.5/5
Feels more cheerful, compared to the Apple DAC, more emphasized treble; may work better with single DDs, especially warmer ones. Due to colouring may not be as universally recommended as the Apple dongle, in my opinion, though the value can be arguably similar.

Fosi HD pro (DAC/Amp) – Sound: 4.5/5; Overall: 4.5/5
Most brutal (unaltered(?)) implementation of ESS9038 that I have encountered . Some background noise is clearly apparent. I used it quite a bit for comparisons; can be very useful when a battery-powered DAC is needed.

Zishan Z4 (DAP) – Sound: 4.5/5; Overall: 5/5
I bought Z4 out of curiosity, worked perfectly so far, and amazing value! Quite direct implementation of ESS9038, some circuitry noise and some interference in the BT mode (all minor). The sound is somewhat with a bit more emphasized bass, so a touch softer/warmer compared to Fosi HD pro.

Lastly, Fiio Q1-II does not feel competitive to me anymore in the context of this comparison due to an overly warm nature and quite strong background noise; especially in the DAC mode (the amp mode is notably better and more useful).

Finally, my old DAP, Pioneer XDP 30R, being quite on a warmer/softer side, but with zero background noise is still much competitive by sound and remains of a somewhat unfulfilled conquest to match (habits, subjective preferences…)

So overall, if I were to keep only one USB DAC, it would be Tempotec E44. If I had to choose the most value – Apple USB DAC, undoubtedly. Sonata HD pro almost fits in-between along the price/value ratio. E1DA SG3 could be an option for the power above all. Fiio BTR5 is a very good BT source.
i just about to stroll this thread asking for these.
Thank you.

Have you tried the darling Hidizs S9 Pro and the new ish Fiio KA3?
 
Dec 10, 2021 at 10:59 PM Post #3,250 of 6,968
i just about to stroll this thread asking for these.
Thank you.

Have you tried the darling Hidizs S9 Pro and the new ish Fiio KA3?
i just about to stroll this thread asking for these.
Thank you.

Have you tried the darling Hidizs S9 Pro and the new ish Fiio KA3?
Glad to hear that it could be helpful.
That was all that I tried (and have).
I opted for E1DA SG3 over S9 pro as the last one, and no regrets there.
 
Dec 10, 2021 at 11:10 PM Post #3,251 of 6,968
Glad to hear that it could be helpful.
That was all that I tried (and have).
I opted for E1DA SG3 over S9 pro as the last one, and no regrets there.
oh, ok. Thank you.
The thread do have plenty of review but its a bit hard to find compilation like these.

For a long time, i'm planning to retire my Dragonfly Red and looking for things like S9 pro who have both 2.5mm and 3.5mm to replace DFR.
Fiio KA3, Hidizs S9 Pro, and the upcoming Xduoo Link2 Bal is in the shortlist of the possible replacement.
 
Dec 11, 2021 at 3:05 AM Post #3,254 of 6,968
Dec 11, 2021 at 7:53 AM Post #3,255 of 6,968
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If all you are after is clean sound, the Hidizs S3 Pro is a valid choice, but I would like Hidizs to solve some of their basic issues with USB functionality before I recommend any of their products again.
My full review is up on my blog: https://bedrockreviews.medium.com/590f6b410f86
 

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