USB Audio Player PRO (UAPP): 24- and 32-bit playback, ubiquitous USB audio support for Android

[MikeyFresh]

as long as it's 24-bit (which most MQAs are).

No they are not, none of them. Best case scenario for MQA is 17-bit, really.
The same is true for their BS portrayal of the supposed sample rate, all MQA is upsampled 44.1 or 48 kHz, period. The "unfolding" of that amounts to either 88.2 or 96 kHz upsampling using leaky MP filters prone to aliasing.

 

[Dannemand]

Maybe they should, but they don't. On my LG G7 UAPP sounds better than Tidal or Qobuz for every single track I've ever tried, including MQA and 24-bit hires.

We've been down this rabbit hole many times: Audioflinger output is identical for Tidal and UAPP when playing MQA. Check this post. Admittedly I haven't compared again lately, but I did several times over a 1-2 year period. Of course if either the Tidal app or UAPP are set to process the audio, that throws all comparison to the wind: Tidal app has Loudness setting, and UAPP has EQ and other features that can change the sound.

Qobuz is another matter, since it sends everything through the Mixer on LG phones. At least last I checked.

Edit: I should add that I only tested this on V30. I doubt it is different on G7, but I cannot rule it out. Also, I am ONLY talking about MQA tracks here. Anything not MQA will be bungled by the Tidal app on LG Quad DAC phones.

 

[Dannemand]

No they are not, none of them. Best case scenario for MQA is 17-bit, really.
The same is true for their BS portrayal of the supposed sample rate, all MQA is upsampled 44.1 or 48 kHz, period. The "unfolding" of that amounts to either 88.2 or 96 kHz upsampling using leaky MP filters prone to aliasing.

You know very well I was talking about the actual MQA file, of which most ARE 24/44 or 24/48. I am not a die hard MQA fan, as I have posted repeatedly around here. But I am tired of you trolling every discussion that mentions the word MQA, to profess your venomous hate of it.

 

[kutulu32]

Lg quad dac phones upscale 16/44songs to 24/44?

 

[dgjl]

We've been down this rabbit hole many times: Audioflinger output is identical for Tidal and UAPP when playing MQA. Check this post. Admittedly I haven't compared again lately, but I did several times over a 1-2 year period. Of course if either the Tidal app or UAPP are set to process the audio, that throws all comparison to the wind: Tidal app has Loudness setting, and UAPP has EQ and other features that can change the sound.

Qobuz is another matter, since it sends everything through the Mixer on LG phones. At least last I checked.

Edit: I should add that I only tested this on V30. I doubt it is different on G7, but I cannot rule it out. Also, I am ONLY talking about MQA tracks here. Anything not MQA will be bungled by the Tidal app on LG Quad DAC phones.

Well, it's the ears that count, I guess. That's why we do this, isn't it? I've been playing around with phone set ups/apps/iems for a few years. My conclusion is that UAPP sounds better for every kind of file I've tried. Maybe an illusion, but it's a thoroughly convincing one. That's not to say Tidal and Qobuz apps don't sound good, they do. UAPP just sounds better - it's immediately noticeable.

 

[Dannemand]

Lg quad dac phones upscale 16/44songs to 24/44?

No, they resample 16/44 to 16/48. Not deliberately, but because they can't seem to avoid Android Mixer on 16/44. UAPP converts 16/44 to 24/44 to help work around that. It's not the only thing it does, but I'm sure it wouldn't do it if there was a way to pass 16/44 through unmolested.

 

[MikeyFresh]

You know very well I was talking about the actual MQA file, of which most ARE 24/44 or 24/48. I am not a die hard MQA fan, as I have posted repeatedly around here. But I am tired of you trolling every discussion that mentions the word MQA, to profess your venomous hate of it.

All fine and good, but I wasn't trolling at all, just setting the record straight and providing clarification for anyone who might wish to know or seek further information on that topic.

I'm tired of the complete misinformation campaign and bogus claims about MQA, especially something as simple as MQA's effective bit depth, or it's native sample rate. Thats not "venomous hate", it's called reality. I never at any point portrayed you as "a die hard MQA fan", I don't know why you'd think I did.

I fully stand by what I said, however I do not wish to hijack this thread.

 

[Dannemand]

I do not wish to hijack this thread.

Thank you. Probably best that way.

 

[briant4pres]

is UAPP compatible with Sony NW-ZX507 to make it stream and fully decode MQA from Tidal? The mongoloids at Sony somehow decided SRC was fine for any third party apps...

 

[buonassi]

You know very well I was talking about the actual MQA file, of which most ARE 24/44 or 24/48

true statement. now whether you realize 24 bit after the unfold is another story.

@MikeyFresh Look, I don't buy into the MQA thing - nor do the majority of hard-core audiophiles who understand the way digital sampling and reconstruction filters work. However, this isn't a thread to trash MQA (as much as I enjoy seeing that done).

 

[NYanakiev]

Trying to figure out how to use a 10 band eq in UAPP. The paid for parametric eq is 6 bands only.

Am I missing something?

 

[MikeyFresh]

However, this isn't a thread to trash MQA (as much as I enjoy seeing that done).

I'll say it one last time, I do not seek to hijack/derail this thread. I did not accuse or portray anyone as an MQA fanboy. I did not "profess my venomous hate" of anything. Suggestion of such was inaccurate and quite frankly, an overeaction.

That doesn't mean I don't enjoy freedom of speech, or that I don't reserve the right to comment in a way that might just clarify something to someone, even if not specifically you, or Dannemand.

Additionally, I am and have been for many years an ardent supporter of UAPP. I will not play a game of whoever gets in the last word on an audio forum is therefore "right", but the fact you can actually truncate/strip off the 8 least significant bits from a supposedly 24-bit MQA file and still get the "authentication" light tells you all you need to know.

Peace and be well.

 

[briant4pres]

is UAPP compatible with Sony NW-ZX507 to make it stream and fully decode MQA from Tidal? The mongoloids at Sony somehow decided SRC was fine for any third party apps...

 

[FlacFan]

I'll say it one last time, I do not seek to hijack/derail this thread. I did not accuse or portray anyone as an MQA fanboy. I did not "profess my venomous hate" of anything. Suggestion of such was inaccurate and quite frankly, an overeaction.

That doesn't mean I don't enjoy freedom of speech, or that I don't reserve the right to comment in a way that might just clarify something to someone, even if not specifically you, or Dannemand.

Additionally, I am and have been for many years an ardent supporter of UAPP. I will not play a game of whoever gets in the last word on an audio forum is therefore "right", but the fact you can actually truncate/strip off the 8 least significant bits from a supposedly 24-bit MQA file and still get the "authentication" light tells you all you need to know.

Peace and be well.

I don't get the MQA hype at all, but maybe only my ears don't get it. I don't care about another bit or not as long as my music sounds good and I can enjoy it. Nothing else matters, really.

BTW, freedom of speech does not apply here at all. Freedom of speech protects you from being harassed / arrested or worse by the GOVERNMENT in case you call (pick your most famous one here) an idiot. If you call your manager an idiot or would go verbally bonkers around here, you are out of job in no time or get just banned on a forum. Freedom of speech does not do anything for you in those cases.

I am pretty sure you know all that though...

Back to UAPP the best Android player there is!

Cheers.

 

[Dannemand]

Suggestion of such was inaccurate and quite frankly, an overeaction.

One last time, you say. But then you're forcing me to respond, and so it continues

We all love UAPP, period. Last time you posted in the UAPP thread was five weeks ago, basically professing the same, well... whatever you want to call it, after someone mentioned the word MQA. So I was accurate when I called you out for doing it again, and hardly an overreaction on my part. And that's all.

I suggest starting an MQA hating/criticizing/complaining thread, and everything you say will be appropriate and welcome there. I may even participate and agree with you

And now we're all contributing to the hijacking, for which I apologize. Over and out.