[Alias Gu]

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I don't know. I have never heard the PP6

I love larger soundstage of Miracles, even though i didn't listen to it yet.
But I just little worry about the less dense sound will torture me, like EX1000 which is quite weak at midrange.

 

[Mimouille]

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I love larger soundstage of Miracles, even though i didn't listen to it yet.
But I just little worry about the less dense sound will torture me, like EX1000 which is quite weak at midrange.

 
Well that is an interesting take...
The Miracles are slightly U shapes, not perfectly flat. The PP6 must not be much more U shaped I think.

 

[average_joe]

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UM Miracle fan here, but the PP6 fills me with utter indifference! LOL
 
Well, it's all part of life's rich tapestry, I suppose.
 
I'm more interested in Fitear 335 or similar, rather than PP6. Just seems over-engineered for not much improvement.
 
Joe, I'll add my voice to the hundreds who've already said this - purleez get some custom UM Miracles to compare all the other CIEMs with. That'd be a Rosetta Stone, comparison-wise, for a great many head-fiers.
 
 
In the meantime, thanks for the PP6 review

 
I can't comment on the amount of improvement, but I do think the PP6 and Miracle share a similar sound, at least from everything I know about the Miracle.
 
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Great review Joe~

 
Thank you!
 
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I love larger soundstage of Miracles, even though i didn't listen to it yet.
But I just little worry about the less dense sound will torture me, like EX1000 which is quite weak at midrange.

 
The PP6 has a nice richness to it.  Not as dense as the SE5, but not as thin as EX1000; nice middle ground!

 

[legokangpalla]

PP6 cable is really annoying! After 4 months of use, it becomes really loose.
I mean they delayed the delivery to change the cable design to something that is more secure, obviously didn't work.
Am seriously considering just using a glue.

 

[average_joe]

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PP6 cable is really annoying! After 4 months of use, it becomes really loose.
I mean they delayed the delivery to change the cable design to something that is more secure, obviously didn't work.
Am seriously considering just using a glue.

 
Or, you can build up the connector area with nail polish, which will create more friction and keep the connector on.  Or glue, but super glue could discolor the shell.

 

[GonzaloM]

If you use a cyanoacrylate based glue (superglue) you could damage it, there are other options like sugru (sugru.com) which is very effective IMO, you could use hot-melt adhesive too both are very effective and will made the cable more secure 

 

[edwardsean]

I would second the nail polish solution. Any kind of  glue has a higher chance of creating the problems mentioned above, and is irreversible. I had the same issue with the demo PP6. By the time I got the unit the cord would keep popping off the ear pieces. I took the liberty of adding a thin but substantial coat of clear nail polish around the connector, let it dry slightly, and then reattached the cord. Works like a charm. 

 

[yjkimnada]

Anybody else's thoughts on these headphones?

 

[james444]

I've had them for a few days and A/Bd them to the Miracles and UERM. Only tried via USB and AUX-IN though. Very brief conclusions here.
 
Bottom line, I don't think they're worth the premium over the Miracles, unless you're keen on the box.

 

[ALRAINBOW]

Hello

I have them and other IEMS,S. as well to AB test and I have . Although right now I am waiting on a refit from UM .

Others I own are

HEIR 8a / 4AI
jh 16 rechelled by Um all new drivers from JH FIRST.
JH16/JH3a combo freq phase
TG334 fitear
AND the PP6

Here is my findings

The pp6 is I beleave is the most accurate and neutral IEM of them all. The sound is consistent
Never bloated or overdone . This is with the bass boost off of course.

It's some what vailed to a point due to its neutrallity. But more musical overall the others I have.

So in the end I love them for what they are very detailed in all aspects and non fatiguing because of there neutrality.

Now why do I own all the others well I tend to like analytical brighter headphones, IEM,S

AND speakers to as I own a infinity reference 1b,s . Bright and very detailed . Need good sources
Or it all sounds horrible.

Not that all the other IEM,S are not hat level of revealing they are not only the TG334is are that revealing .
I am ordering the hidition Nt6pro next , it's what I like. Also I own the senn HD800
Yet another bright revealing headphone . So i hope this helps pls you in your purchase.

Ps UM is a first rate company as heir andnJH ARE they all respond to emails and resolve what issues you may have . Also as of now there is no cross connect cable for the pp6 . They say it is coming SOON so if you buy them it is onlynwithnthe amp ...

Good luck
Look up avg joe reviews as well the guy is a wealth of well detailed info and makes what I say seem some what dumb even when we say the same thing , he has that knack for saying SO well.

AL D.

 

[average_joe]

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I've had them for a few days and A/Bd them to the Miracles and UERM. Only tried via USB and AUX-IN though. Very brief conclusions here.
 
Bottom line, I don't think they're worth the premium over the Miracles, unless you're keen on the box.

 
I really can't say much about the value over the Miracle without also having a customized version, but I do have to say the performance is quite a bit better than the IERM.
 
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Hello

I have them and other IEMS,S. as well to AB test and I have . Although right now I am waiting on a refit from UM .

Others I own are

HEIR 8a / 4AI
jh 16 rechelled by Um all new drivers from JH FIRST.
JH16/JH3a combo freq phase
TG334 fitear
AND the PP6

Here is my findings

The pp6 is I beleave is the most accurate and neutral IEM of them all. The sound is consistent
Never bloated or overdone . This is with the bass boost off of course.

It's some what vailed to a point due to its neutrallity. But more musical overall the others I have.

So in the end I love them for what they are very detailed in all aspects and non fatiguing because of there neutrality.

Now why do I own all the others well I tend to like analytical brighter headphones, IEM,S

AND speakers to as I own a infinity reference 1b,s . Bright and very detailed . Need good sources
Or it all sounds horrible.

Not that all the other IEM,S are not hat level of revealing they are not only the TG334is are that revealing .
I am ordering the hidition Nt6pro next , it's what I like. Also I own the senn HD800
Yet another bright revealing headphone . So i hope this helps pls you in your purchase.

Ps UM is a first rate company as heir andnJH ARE they all respond to emails and resolve what issues you may have . Also as of now there is no cross connect cable for the pp6 . They say it is coming SOON so if you buy them it is onlynwithnthe amp ...

Good luck
Look up avg joe reviews as well the guy is a wealth of well detailed info and makes what I say seem some what dumb even when we say the same thing , he has that knack for saying SO well.

AL D.

 
Thanks for sharing your thoughts Al, and glad you like them and hear them similarly to how I described them in my review.  

 

[yjkimnada]

Do you think the active phase alightment over a passive phase alignment makes a difference in sound?

 

[tranhieu]

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Do you think the active phase alightment over a passive phase alignment makes a difference in sound?

Sure does. However unlike speakers, balanced armatures behave in a very different way so it's not clear how effective active xo is in IEM's case. 

 

[yjkimnada]

What kind of difference do they make? I know that they create a more coherent sound but I am not sure whether humans can detect the millisecond difference of timing. There must be something else that active phase-alignment creates

 

[ALRAINBOW]

Ok here is what I hear .
First off the jh3a jh16 combo not the same but in some ways it's is.

With the amp and useing spidif coax or a external USB to coax like halide . The sound has more ambience , more space between instramints and in some ways more clear and precise.

If I use them without the amp I can get really close but useing about 5 k in electronics.

As for the pp6. The cross connect is not availible as of yet . So only the DAC/ amp box may be used . So as I do beleave there is something to be gained I cannot say without the cable.

Foot note the jh in ref is the freq phase
I also own a pair of jh16 all new drivers from JH. And rescelled at UM . I can say they sound great but not the same as the combo freq phase . But I can only here the difference when A/B testing its hard for me to tell from my memory . I'm just not that good at it. But there is a difference . The same as I said above. So in the end I think the pp6 is a good value based on not needing an amp or DAC. The same for JH . But this is just my opinion

AL D