ULTRASONE NEW ANNOUNCED HEADPHONE Signature Pro
Jan 16, 2012 at 5:09 AM Post #256 of 2,431
I don't think Gwarmi was replying to your post, but I was and I was indeed being sarcastic. That's because every time Ultrasone releases a new statement headphone, someone accuses them of using the same driver as one of their lower tier headphones. Every time.
 
Now, if you have a "legit" source for this, please, by all means, post it. But I'm skeptical. I listen to the Signature Pro, and I head a pair of headphones that is NOTHING like the PRO 2900 (which is based loosely on the PRO 900). Is it possible Ultrasone used the same drivers? Sure. Anything is possible. But if they did use the same drivers they must have gotten an exorcist in along side their engineers to make the PRO 900 drivers behave so nicely.
 
Jan 16, 2012 at 6:59 AM Post #257 of 2,431
 
Nahh, I was just spruiking the goodness of the Pro 550 as an underdog basshead can in an unrelated thread 
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But just my two cents on the topic, whilst I may be no acoustic engineer, a lot more goes into a headphone
than just transplanting 'said' drivers into a cup. It's the finish and final refinement of the acoustics, venting
and other aspects that add up to one model being different from another.
 
This costs time, in other words $money$ on a production line, hence the cost differences, whether that
be wielded by hand or machine.
 
Jan 16, 2012 at 8:43 AM Post #258 of 2,431
“On a side note, those Australian sillies at the Herald Sun used the word 'spruiking' instead of 'promoting' and it is officially in the lexicon of Awesome forever more.”
 
Jan 16, 2012 at 10:51 AM Post #259 of 2,431
I heard that Signature pro might be using the pro900's driver.

It's not certain, but I heard that it may be using the pro900's driver, but just different casing, and the bands.

If that's true I'll be really disappointed.

Hmm.. Wonder what it is.

The Ultrasone site says that the Signature Pro is using Ed. 9 drivers.
 
Jan 16, 2012 at 11:03 AM Post #260 of 2,431
Where?  All I see is "40 mm titanium plated drivers."  Admittedly many of their line say that, (which is probably why people say they all have the same drivers.)  I recall seeing someone opening up their PRO900s and ED9's and showing the identical drivers in a thread a couple years back.  If they are the same drivers, the "differences in sound" could be derived from damping/housing/materials/angling etc.  Or expectation bias.
 
Jan 16, 2012 at 11:36 AM Post #261 of 2,431
So now the PRO 900 is supposedly using the same drivers as the Edition 9? Last I heard, it was the Edition 10 that was supposedly using PRO 900 / 2900 drivers.
 
Honestly, at this point I don't think there's a single combination of Ultrasone headphones that people haven't claimed use identical drivers.
 
Jan 16, 2012 at 2:53 PM Post #263 of 2,431
Where?  All I see is "40 mm titanium plated drivers."  Admittedly many of their line say that, (which is probably why people say they all have the same drivers.)  I recall seeing someone opening up their PRO900s and ED9's and showing the identical drivers in a thread a couple years back.  If they are the same drivers, the "differences in sound" could be derived from damping/housing/materials/angling etc.  Or expectation bias.


[quote="ULTRASONE].
These headphones, which are set to revolutionise the PRO world, are a result of years of dialogue with professional musicians and hi-fi enthusiasts.


WHAT’S THE STORY AND HOW DOES IT GO FROM HERE?

It all started with the launch of the handcrafted Ultrasone Edition 9 high-end headphones. New exclusive, durable coatings were applied for the Edition 9 series to complement the supremely precise and subtle sound reproduction provided by S-Logic. Furthermore, the finest leather was used for ear and head pads. The S-Logic technology was developed further ensuring professional, sharp and clear audio. As experts in headphone sound, the best sound quality is a matter of course for Ultrasone. But let’s not forget the innovative and patented ULE technology. This technology protects against electromagnetic radiation using MU metal. This reduction in radiation is something anyone who wears headphones for several hours on a daily basis will not want to do without. Ultrasone’s claim to leadership in the field of research and development, a result of its specialisation in the headphone market, is borne out in the Signature PRO − a product which systematically realises the desires of Ultrasone users and fans across the globe.


THAT’S THE STORY SO FAR…

Professional users have long-since been won over by the quality of headphones in the Edition range. To PRO, the somewhat extravagant-looking Edition headphones appeared too delicate for tough everyday wear in the studio. So here’s what they came up with… These black, newly-developed Signature PRO headphones will revolutionise the world of the professional user – their design combines the first-class sound properties and high-quality material of the Edition series, with the requirements for use on the move, on set, in the studio, anywhere and everywhere.


AND HOW THE STORY CONTINUES…

Hand-crafted in Germany. Equipped with comprehensive Ultrasone technology. The comfortable ear pads and the new headband make it possible to work and listen stress-free for long periods of time. It get’s better... these new Signature PRO headphones may have a minimalist design, but can handle hard work and are a sheer pleasure to wear! The name plates made of finely polished toughened safety glass emphasise its professional focus. The dark-grey ear and headband pads are made from the tried-and-tested leather of the Ethiopian long-haired sheep, and sewn by hand. This exclusive leather provides long-lasting quality for the wearer, an incredibly snug fit and outstanding insulation. As a special feature, the Signature PRO meets the requests of many end users with its removable cables and B-Lock connection. These cables can be exchanged at any time, as required. A long and short cable, of 3m and 1.5m respectively, are included as standard. And to crown it all – the Signature PRO comes in a custom-made transport-friendly case.[/quote]
 
Jan 16, 2012 at 3:45 PM Post #265 of 2,431


Quote:

It all started with the launch of the handcrafted Ultrasone Edition 9 high-end headphones. New exclusive, durable coatings were applied for the Edition 9 series to complement the supremely precise and subtle sound reproduction provided by S-Logic.--> what were the coatings applied to?  Are we dealing with cups or drivers?  And It started with that, but who says it hasn't been changed or tweaked?  Nowhere does it say "using the same drivers as ED0" Furthermore, the finest leather was used for ear and head pads. The S-Logic technology was developed further ensuring professional, sharp and clear audio. As experts in headphone sound, the best sound quality is a matter of course for Ultrasone. But let’s not forget the innovative and patented ULE technology. This technology protects against electromagnetic radiation using MU metal. This reduction in radiation is something anyone who wears headphones for several hours on a daily basis will not want to do without. Ultrasone’s claim to leadership in the field of research and development, a result of its specialisation in the headphone market, is borne out in the Signature PRO − a product which systematically realises the desires of Ultrasone users and fans across the globe...
Hand-crafted in Germany. Equipped with comprehensive Ultrasone technology. The comfortable ear pads and the new headband make it possible to work and listen stress-free for long periods of time.---> Neglecting to mention the driver doesn't mean nothing has been done to it since the Edition 9.
 
See the italic points.  I personally find it possible if not likely that they are the same drivers just knowing Ultrasone's MO, but I would not just come out and say "they have the same drivers," especially not based on this press release.  I see nothing that indicates otherwise - even though I am inclined to agree with you.  
 
Jan 16, 2012 at 4:00 PM Post #266 of 2,431
It all started with the launch of the handcrafted 
Ultrasone Edition 9
 high-end headphones. New exclusive, durable coatings were applied for the 
Edition 9
 series to complement the supremely precise and subtle sound reproduction provided by S-Logic.--> what were the coatings applied to?  Are we dealing with cups or drivers?  And It started with that, but who says it hasn't been changed or tweaked?  Nowhere does it say "using the same drivers as ED0" Furthermore, the finest leather was used for ear and head pads. The S-Logic technology was developed further ensuring professional, sharp and clear audio. As experts in headphone sound, the best sound quality is a matter of course for Ultrasone. But let’s not forget the innovative and patented ULE technology. This technology protects against electromagnetic radiation using MU metal. This reduction in radiation is something anyone who wears headphones for several hours on a daily basis will not want to do without. Ultrasone’s claim to leadership in the field of research and development, a result of its specialisation in the headphone market, is borne out in the Signature PRO − a product which systematically realises the desires of Ultrasone users and fans across the globe...

Hand-crafted in Germany. Equipped with comprehensive Ultrasone technology. The comfortable ear pads and the new headband make it possible to work and listen stress-free for long periods of time.---> Neglecting to mention the driver doesn't mean nothing has been done to it since the Edition 9.


See the italic points.  I personally find it possible if not likely that they are the same drivers just knowing Ultrasone's MO, but I would not just come out and say "they have the same drivers," especially not based on this press release.  I see nothing that indicates otherwise - even though I am inclined to agree with you.  

I think that it's using them as a base, but in a different flavor. It's definitely been modified, no way they're just repackaging the Ed. 9. Does anyone here actually think that any of the Ultrasone tiers actually have exactly the same drivers with the same setup? LOL!
 
Jan 16, 2012 at 4:17 PM Post #267 of 2,431
I was always suspicious of the pro 900 and edition 8 drivers when i had them.  They sound different to me but they drivers looked pretty similar from what i remember.  Alot of companies use the same driver in other headphones though, it wouldn't surprise me.  I am pretty sure the Denon A100 uses the same driver as the Denon 1100 for example.
 
Jan 16, 2012 at 5:25 PM Post #269 of 2,431
It's never been a secret that the PRO2500/750/2900/900, Ed7, Ed8, Ed9, Ed10, all share the same 40mm titanium driver.
 
Once you start with an excellent driver, lots can be done to tweak sound in rather profound ways.
 
Jan 16, 2012 at 6:13 PM Post #270 of 2,431
hmm...
 
I need to grab the cheapest ultrasone, take out the drivers, put them on a ed8 casket and sell it.
 
I can make a fortune if a/b is the same!
 
*taking notes*
 

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