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Frank,
I've sent you an e-mail a moment ago regarding some Audio-Gd gear.
I've sent you an e-mail a moment ago regarding some Audio-Gd gear.
Toxic Cables - Impressions and Discussion Thread
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ahhui90
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hey frank! just wondering if you have sent out the scorpion cable which you said you will send on wednesday. how long does the £12.00 take to reach me?
cheers
cheers
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Since when does frank make toxic money?
hey frank! just wondering if you have sent out the scorpion cable which you said you will send on wednesday. how long does the £12.00 take to reach me?
cheers
Since when does frank make toxic money?
Toxic Cables
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Cable was collected today, i have just messaged you details along with tracking number.
hey frank! just wondering if you have sent out the scorpion cable which you said you will send on wednesday. how long does the £12.00 take to reach me?
cheers
Cable was collected today, i have just messaged you details along with tracking number.
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I sell money, if you ever want to buy yourself £12 worth of some nice £1 British coins, just PayPal me $100, you even get free shipping.
Since when does frank make toxic money?
I sell money, if you ever want to buy yourself £12 worth of some nice £1 British coins, just PayPal me $100, you even get free shipping.
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How much if your in the UK....?
I sell money, if you ever want to buy yourself £12 worth of some nice £1 British coins, just PayPal me $100, you even get free shipping.
How much if your in the UK....?
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Now i know why ur cables are so cheap for the quality they have..u dont need to earn money on them..u make big bucks on this business
I sell money, if you ever want to buy yourself £12 worth of some nice £1 British coins, just PayPal me $100, you even get free shipping.
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oops missed out the word shipping.. £12 shipping
Since when does frank make toxic money?
oops missed out the word shipping.. £12 shipping
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Lordy, iv'e only been away for two days and there have been 82 new posts.
Frank, that 'special' usb cable you made for me has had plenty of burn in and I can say it has made a tremendous improvement to my listening enjoyment.
Frank, that 'special' usb cable you made for me has had plenty of burn in and I can say it has made a tremendous improvement to my listening enjoyment.
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Hi all,
My toxic cables Viper (SPC iem) has had 200 hours of burn in and at least 150 hours listening time and my CH silver ray cable has come back from repairs and had over 100 hours put in since the repair, (around 500 before) so I feel able to do a comparison now. Both cable are 4 ft but the viper has a carbon-fibre 3.5mm jack and the CH has a right angled neutrik 3.5mm jack.Both cables are made of different materials and ofc this will affect the sound sig. The CH cable gave my tf10s a much flatter sound with much more pronounced mids. The viper is a much warmer sounding cable that doesn't affect the tf10 sound sig at all really. If I'm being really picky, then the mids may be slightly more forward but I can't say for sure. Build quality is very subjective, the viper feels sturdier and all the connections look and feel stronger but the CH cable has an extremely smooth sheathing that doesn't get caught on anything, the viper does catch on fibres and the like so there are some slight abrasions to the sheathing but nothing major however felt I should mention it. The CH cable doesnt feel as sturdy and has noticeably more memory which can get annoying but its lighter and fits into the tf10 crushproof case better. The viper is a little bit more of a squeeze but still fits well.
90 percent of the time I am using the tf10s is when I'm on the move, so on the tube or walking or on the bus and as such the cables are regularly battered against my chest or caught on stray handbags etc. and I have to say, both handle this fantastically however the difference is in the microphonics. The CH cable has almost no microphonics at all, and I mean the only microphonics heard are between songs when there may be a gap and my bag catches one of the legs fairly high up. But the viper has none, and I really mean none at all. The only time there are microphonics is when I hit the plugs for the tf10 sockets which is unavoidable ofc. Both cables are sturdy and well built but the viper takes the lead in this because everything about the cable shows a level of precision and care that isnt quite matched with the CH cable. The viper with its special connectors, exceptionally good braiding and obvious level of care really outshines the the CH where even though its well built, doesn't feel as special, the connectors and braiding just don't seem to be as carefully done as the viper.
Now to sq, this was difficult because the cables are of different materials and this will affect perceived sq. I'll start with the CH cable, compared to stock, everything is better, but there is a drastic change in sound sig, The mids are much more forward, bass slightly recessed but highs are very clear. Overall, a massive improvement over stock but not quite as mindblowing as the viper. When I first got the viper I was disappointed to say the least, but I am a patient person and I persisted but even after 60-70 hours I was still disenchanted. However it wasn't until the 90-100 hour mark when all of a sudden the cable changed, could almost say evolved, I remember listening to avicii + david guetta - sunshine and over the course of listening to the song (around 6 minutes) everything cleared up and changed and I honestly didn't want to take out my iems. Firstly, this made me a firm believer in burn in, and I have to say it redefined my expectations for cables and the extent of their improvements. In comparison to the CH cable, I found it was better in almost every way except for separation (was a noticeable difference but not massive) and transparency (was a very close call though, CH wins by a very small amount, mostly noticable on tracks with many parts, e.g. orchestral pieces and complex house music). For everything else, toxic comes on topic, accuracy, tonal balance, maintaining the original sound sig (this was important to me) and there was something else I can't quite describe, but it made all my music sound not only great, but fun, as in, I tried my friend's ipod with crap by all those 'teen wonders' which I abhore, but I still found I wanted to listen just because it sounded great.
I also feel its important to talk about customer service and imho, both were very good. Chris was a very prompt replier and didn't even pause to decide on the repair, I was simply told to send it and it would be repaired free of charge and total time from chris receiving the cable for repair and it being in my hands again was around 7 days and considering he is in america and im in the UK, I was very happy. Frank is a pleasure to business with as well, extremely fast responses, less than 40 seconds in one case and very honest. I asked his opinion on the cable for the tf10s and even though I was prepared to buy the SP, he told me the viper would maintain the sound sig better even though the SP is 50 percent more expensive so I bought the viper. I also bought an SPC interconnect from frank but there was a minor flaw on the plug and I didn't feel comfortable using it and Frank's reply was that I should return the interconnect, and when he gets the new plugs in, he will use that and not only that, he is upgrading the wire on the interconnect to his SP and pay for delivery to him and back for which I am overjoyed and thoroughly impressed by and I have no fears about frank's products as I know that in the unlikely event of anything happening to my cables, he's got my back :-D
I tested these cables with tf10s, with an ipod classic 120gb and fiio e17 with a fiio interconnect and 320kbps mps or flacs in case you were wondering. In conclusion, CH cables are amazing bang for buck and anyone with a lower budget, CH cables are easily worth it and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend them but if you have a bigger wallet, I honestly believe Frank's cables are easily worth the extra money and while CH has great customer service and is a very nice guy to do business with, he doesn't quite match Frank's get out there and if you ask for a banana, he'll give you a banana and an apple on top just for the sake of it kind of service which I guess is what the extra money is paying for Both cables are fantastic and for the money I think both are a great, and I don't feel I need to look anywhere else for a cable again. I have tried to keep this review as objective as possible and these are just my observations and my experience and I am not saying my word is the be all and end all of the comparison and I welcome other opinions but this is how I felt using the cables and conducting business with the two companies.
Hope this helps,
TheSoundMan
My toxic cables Viper (SPC iem) has had 200 hours of burn in and at least 150 hours listening time and my CH silver ray cable has come back from repairs and had over 100 hours put in since the repair, (around 500 before) so I feel able to do a comparison now. Both cable are 4 ft but the viper has a carbon-fibre 3.5mm jack and the CH has a right angled neutrik 3.5mm jack.Both cables are made of different materials and ofc this will affect the sound sig. The CH cable gave my tf10s a much flatter sound with much more pronounced mids. The viper is a much warmer sounding cable that doesn't affect the tf10 sound sig at all really. If I'm being really picky, then the mids may be slightly more forward but I can't say for sure. Build quality is very subjective, the viper feels sturdier and all the connections look and feel stronger but the CH cable has an extremely smooth sheathing that doesn't get caught on anything, the viper does catch on fibres and the like so there are some slight abrasions to the sheathing but nothing major however felt I should mention it. The CH cable doesnt feel as sturdy and has noticeably more memory which can get annoying but its lighter and fits into the tf10 crushproof case better. The viper is a little bit more of a squeeze but still fits well.
90 percent of the time I am using the tf10s is when I'm on the move, so on the tube or walking or on the bus and as such the cables are regularly battered against my chest or caught on stray handbags etc. and I have to say, both handle this fantastically however the difference is in the microphonics. The CH cable has almost no microphonics at all, and I mean the only microphonics heard are between songs when there may be a gap and my bag catches one of the legs fairly high up. But the viper has none, and I really mean none at all. The only time there are microphonics is when I hit the plugs for the tf10 sockets which is unavoidable ofc. Both cables are sturdy and well built but the viper takes the lead in this because everything about the cable shows a level of precision and care that isnt quite matched with the CH cable. The viper with its special connectors, exceptionally good braiding and obvious level of care really outshines the the CH where even though its well built, doesn't feel as special, the connectors and braiding just don't seem to be as carefully done as the viper.
Now to sq, this was difficult because the cables are of different materials and this will affect perceived sq. I'll start with the CH cable, compared to stock, everything is better, but there is a drastic change in sound sig, The mids are much more forward, bass slightly recessed but highs are very clear. Overall, a massive improvement over stock but not quite as mindblowing as the viper. When I first got the viper I was disappointed to say the least, but I am a patient person and I persisted but even after 60-70 hours I was still disenchanted. However it wasn't until the 90-100 hour mark when all of a sudden the cable changed, could almost say evolved, I remember listening to avicii + david guetta - sunshine and over the course of listening to the song (around 6 minutes) everything cleared up and changed and I honestly didn't want to take out my iems. Firstly, this made me a firm believer in burn in, and I have to say it redefined my expectations for cables and the extent of their improvements. In comparison to the CH cable, I found it was better in almost every way except for separation (was a noticeable difference but not massive) and transparency (was a very close call though, CH wins by a very small amount, mostly noticable on tracks with many parts, e.g. orchestral pieces and complex house music). For everything else, toxic comes on topic, accuracy, tonal balance, maintaining the original sound sig (this was important to me) and there was something else I can't quite describe, but it made all my music sound not only great, but fun, as in, I tried my friend's ipod with crap by all those 'teen wonders' which I abhore, but I still found I wanted to listen just because it sounded great.
I also feel its important to talk about customer service and imho, both were very good. Chris was a very prompt replier and didn't even pause to decide on the repair, I was simply told to send it and it would be repaired free of charge and total time from chris receiving the cable for repair and it being in my hands again was around 7 days and considering he is in america and im in the UK, I was very happy. Frank is a pleasure to business with as well, extremely fast responses, less than 40 seconds in one case and very honest. I asked his opinion on the cable for the tf10s and even though I was prepared to buy the SP, he told me the viper would maintain the sound sig better even though the SP is 50 percent more expensive so I bought the viper. I also bought an SPC interconnect from frank but there was a minor flaw on the plug and I didn't feel comfortable using it and Frank's reply was that I should return the interconnect, and when he gets the new plugs in, he will use that and not only that, he is upgrading the wire on the interconnect to his SP and pay for delivery to him and back for which I am overjoyed and thoroughly impressed by and I have no fears about frank's products as I know that in the unlikely event of anything happening to my cables, he's got my back :-D
I tested these cables with tf10s, with an ipod classic 120gb and fiio e17 with a fiio interconnect and 320kbps mps or flacs in case you were wondering. In conclusion, CH cables are amazing bang for buck and anyone with a lower budget, CH cables are easily worth it and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend them but if you have a bigger wallet, I honestly believe Frank's cables are easily worth the extra money and while CH has great customer service and is a very nice guy to do business with, he doesn't quite match Frank's get out there and if you ask for a banana, he'll give you a banana and an apple on top just for the sake of it kind of service which I guess is what the extra money is paying for
Both cables are fantastic and for the money I think both are a great, and I don't feel I need to look anywhere else for a cable again. I have tried to keep this review as objective as possible and these are just my observations and my experience and I am not saying my word is the be all and end all of the comparison and I welcome other opinions but this is how I felt using the cables and conducting business with the two companies. Hope this helps,
TheSoundMan
Nice review TheSoundMan! I agree about the micro phonics. I have none on my SW's or my SP's. good to see you have the same customer service experience we have all had around here. Frank is bionic!
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for sharing.
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