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Sep 30, 2022 at 8:59 AM Post #36,796 of 89,869
Ok Turii Ti evangelists, quick questions:

1. Which music is it best suited for?
2. Which is less great?
3. Star frequency?
4. Star technicality?
5. Issues (tonal/technical)?
My 2 cents would be:

1.Anything pop/rock oriented will do great for sure. Jazz also.
2. Classical.
3. Natural sounding bass and clean highs, even though they are both a bit much for me.
4. Staging.
5. Apart from #3 mids are a bit lean and upper mids can be a bit nasal and shouty (*).
6. It's very immersive and you'll drain one DAP after the other.
7. Comfort is excellent.

* Mids and treble respond very well to cable rolling so there's a solution for your female singer oriented library.

drftr
 
Sep 30, 2022 at 8:59 AM Post #36,797 of 89,869
Ok Turii Ti evangelists, quick questions:

1. Which music is it best suited for?
2. Which is less great?
3. Star frequency?
4. Star technicality?
5. Issues (tonal/technical)?

I'm still establishing most of the above, but I'll take a shot at each later this evening when I have time - plus a nice Friday evening beer in hand...

Knowing your bass needs in terms of quality and quantity, I don't think you'd be satisfied with the quantity anyway.
 
Sep 30, 2022 at 9:09 AM Post #36,798 of 89,869
Have you compared it to Twilight, by any chance? I heard the Twilight a couple weeks ago and loved it. ‘Didn’t have as much bass as I’d typically like, but it had aces elsewhere. It’s one of the most 3D or tactile-sounding IEMs I’ve heard in recent memory, and I just spent 4 days in Singapore. :D
Now that I think of it, I believe the black one that I tried at Uncle Wilson’s place was actually the Twilight and not the OG Turii. Well if you love Twilight, then you’ll love Turii Ti even more 😁. Turii Ti’s 3D-ness is just flat out amazing. The quantity of bass isn’t as prominent as Twilight BUT it can slam hard with better quality than Twilight. Overall, the sound is very very exciting. On track 2 in the album below, the kick drum is totally mesmerizing, full of energy and slam with Turii Ti.

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Sep 30, 2022 at 9:10 AM Post #36,799 of 89,869
Hi everyone,


Haven’t had as much time for the past few days to listen to music with iems at home after work, as work kept me mostly busy on the go and back to back with deliveries and orders this week (and most of my listening time was spent w/ Airpods pro 2nd gen and iPhone 14 pro max, for streaming music on Tidal on the go at work).

However, earlier this past Tuesday (9/27), I made some time to listen and get a feel for the sound and presentation of iBasso DX170 (paired with Campfire Audio Supermoon ciem w/ Plus Sound 8-wire spc cable in 4.4 balanced), and went through different tracks from classical and jazz to classic rock and vocals on Tidal. With about three hours of listening done, along with a bit of noticeable sheen picked up from listening to some classical and vocal tracks (on Tidal, w/ DX170 in high gain, 4.4 & Supermoon ciem), I’ll go in further details on more of my thoughts and impressions of the DX170 (and pairing with Supermoon ciem) in another post. But, what I can say in short is the DX170 is a well performing ‘all-rounder’ delivering above its price point with its compact pocketable size and lightweight ergonomic form factor, giving decent amount of rich textured and impactful low end, pleasantly detailed midrange while retaining and presenting enough clarity in detail (albeit slightly lean bodied, but with some added warmth in weight of note & feel in tone of sound) and subtly smooth & natural-like tonality of vocals and instruments (especially piano and percussion instruments), and subtly smoothened but well-defined treble (sounds adequately fine with most contemporary jazz songs and solo piano & flute tracks that go into higher registers).
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iBasso DX170 (in black trim, Tuesday, 9/27).


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Campfire Audio Supermoon ciem (audiophile-fit) w/ Plus Sound 8-wire spc cable in 4.4 & iBasso DX170 (in 4.4, high gain).


More notably though, imaging isn’t a particular strong standout, yet there is enough amount of space and air among and around placement of subjects, vocals and instruments, to get a sense and feel for where things are positioned and moving about in most tracks, and also faring more than decent in separation, control and speed in some of the more complex/busy passages of songs (involving multiple instruments or vocalists performing as a group/ensemble at moderate to fast tempo).

Soundstage is fairly spacious and reaches wider and further towards the sides than it extends low or high in lower/vertical reach. Presence of subjects, instruments and vocals remain discernibly present and hold together its surface detail & form fairly well most of the way through from panning and positioning left to right, towards center, low to high, and slightly off towards the back side, creating a slight spherical effect in stage.

My only criticism (but mostly minor), however, is the fairly low amount of headroom (when listened on high gain) with some distortion filling in from the edges giving a slight compressed kind of feel and congested sound when the volume is increased any further from mid-40 and up, as this is noticeable for most older recorded tracks that need to be played and listened to at higher than normal volume levels. On a more minor note, I’ve found starting up Tidal app (and Mango player) and its response time in starting and pausing playback of tracks on Tidal to lag a little with a slight delay. Although this isn’t something I’d be overly annoyed with (as I do plan to transfer and upsample more tracks from CDs through JRiver Media to the DX170, and do most of my music listening with offline upsampled CD tracks), it’s something that I find to be an inconvenience when going through and listening to new songs & albums on-the-go and having to deal with hardware/software slowdowns, and then end up going back to listening to the same playlist of upsampled CD tracks.

Aside from its minor downsides, I feel much of what the DX170 offers in solidly versatile performance and natural-like focused presentation of dynamic sound in a solid, compact & lightweight design (w/ a fairly responsive user interface) greatly outweighs its shortcomings, as well as its cost of upkeep & maintenance over time from its more inexpensive price point, as the DX170 offers a tasteful side of flagship-like sound reminiscent of the quality of sound (in musicality and performance) found in higher end iBasso daps (such as DX300 and its predecessor DX220) with a pleasant balance of subtly smooth musicality with impressive dynamics & engaging presentation (for its price point) and natural-like detailed sound.



Moving on forward to Thursday (9/29, National Coffee Day), while I got off a little earlier from work and headed my way back home, another thought occurred to me in how I could get the most out of my DX170 and A12t (my 2nd ciem is still in build progress) for work use. This was mainly due to finding out from 64 Audio just recently that the A12t is best suited to be used with a cable that has 0.75 2-pin connectors, and that 0.78 2-pin connectors would stretch and wear out the sockets and let in moisture and particles, which would later end up in having the sockets to be repaired and/or replaced on a more frequent basis. With this in mind, I just couldn’t settle for a third-party cable of a lesser quality & price point with 0.75 2-pin connectors and in 4.4 balanced.

As I made my usual stop by a coffee shop before going back home, I took my mind off audio gear for a moment, to relax and get a cup of coffee and pastry at a place in Pasadena I’ve been meaning to go and try. When I ordered ahead from the app (by phone) and got there, at first sight of the front entrance, there was a beautifully warm array of flowers, adorned in roses of red alongside some roses in white and violet, gently grouped and perched atop green foliage plants above the entrance and neatly cuddled alongside the opened door giving a pleasantly warm inviting feel for the senses.

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Coffee and Plants (Pasadena, California, 9/29).


Once inside, I was calmly greeted by one of the owners when I asked about a pick-up order I placed over the phone a moment ago. Shortly after I picked up my order and turned towards my right to make my way out, I noticed a dazzling display of fern, ivy and green foliage from a variety of plants cradled around roses and carnations in a subtly poetic way, along with several other flowers of the lesser shown variety such as daisies, camellia, gardenia, and lilac. Alongside the inner area of the upper center displayed the words ‘Coffee and Plants,’ in soft white neon lighting, for a fun & casual approach in a narrative-centered tone.

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Coffee and Plants (inside by entrance of cafe, Pasadena, California, 9/29).


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Cold brew coffee (take-out, from Coffee and Plants, Pasadena, California, 9/29).
Fragrant caressing notes of mellow berry and floral flavors giving off a sensually smooth blend of deep rounded fruity-caramel sweetness with a hint of pungent spice ending in a subtly soft musky aromatic finish.


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Blueberry pie (take-out @ Coffee and Plants, Pasadena, California, 9/29).
Although not a standout in flavor and texture, the pie was overall decent in the different flavors it gave with enough tartness and moistly rich roundness of subtly sweet with a bit of sour bite, while keeping the flavor profiles fairly balanced with a hint of herbal spice and buttery flavors from the crust.


When I got home, I had the urge to go back and re-read the recent e-mail I got from 64 Audio, and in the last two sentences, they mentioned a cable brand/company I was familiar with that can make the cable with 0.75mm 2-pin connectors and in 4.4 balanced.

The next morning (9/30), after a fairly brief search on the cable that met my preferences and use case (for listening on the go at work), I came across a cable that I felt best met my needs for mostly daily listening and use in the outer elements while moving orders and stocking merchandise around and about from work to warehouse and back (at work six days a week).

Without a slight doubt in this decision, I went ahead in completing the checkout of my order. With no regrets, I’m happy to say that a Plus Sound Verse sleeved 4-wire silver plated copper cable (w/ 0.75mm 2-pin connectors and in 4.4 balanced) will be made and on its way within the next 2-3 weeks. I really look forward to seeing how this cable is going to pair and perform with my A12t (currently in build progress), and how it will hold up in a dynamic work environment, as well as with the outer elements on the go and around & at work over time. =)

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Plus Sound Verse 4-wire sleeved spc cable in 4.4 balanced, w/ 0.75mm 2-pin connectors (ordered from Plus Sound, 9/30).


-Daniel.
 
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Sep 30, 2022 at 9:14 AM Post #36,800 of 89,869
Ok Turii Ti evangelists, quick questions:

1. Which music is it best suited for?
2. Which is less great?
3. Star frequency?
4. Star technicality?
5. Issues (tonal/technical)?
1. Almost anything really. The only thing I haven’t heard with Turii Ti is metal and hip-hop as they’re not my preference.
2. So far none with the genres I’ve listened to.
3. Top to bottom.
4. See no. 3
5. None

Standard disclaimer: YMMV, music taste, preference, etc. etc.
 
Sep 30, 2022 at 9:44 AM Post #36,801 of 89,869
1. Almost anything really. The only thing I haven’t heard with Turii Ti is metal and hip-hop as they’re not my preference.
2. So far none with the genres I’ve listened to.
3. Top to bottom.
4. See no. 3
5. None

Standard disclaimer: YMMV, music taste, preference, etc. etc.

Re point 1, they've surprised me in that regard - I wasn't too confident they'd work with some of my electronic library but my session last night proved otherwise. Looking forward to round 3 tonight!
 
Sep 30, 2022 at 10:13 AM Post #36,802 of 89,869
Friday afternoon album choice - loved this for several years, and a wonderful revisit. A very creative, and brilliantly produced blend of post rock, jazz, electronic, and ambient to name a few genres explored.

 
Sep 30, 2022 at 10:47 AM Post #36,803 of 89,869
I don't see a relation between the 2 but to be honest I would choose tuning over technicalities like you.

drftr
It's difficult to pick one over the other but I may go with technicalities if forced to. you can often voice those out. I guess it comes down to how divergent one or the other is.
 
Sep 30, 2022 at 10:52 AM Post #36,804 of 89,869
Wow, I didn't expect you would actually read this and I hope all is fine over there! Perhaps I should "complain" at Dita that this must be the only TOTL IEM of any brand for which zero English reviews can be found (except for 2 here on Head-Fi) and come up with "a" suggestion 😎 Maybe the Perpetua is that good they don't want to part with it!

drftr
Although I don't post that much, I do like to drop by the Watercooler regularly to catch up on things. This thread has done an excellent job taking over from Nic's old shootout thread as a great place to hang around, catch up on new releases and discuss the important things in life such as good food and crazy pets. 😅

All good here and I hope the same for you.
 
Sep 30, 2022 at 11:03 AM Post #36,805 of 89,869
Sep 30, 2022 at 11:27 AM Post #36,806 of 89,869
Durian Ice Cream... that is all I can think about now oh and the Porcupine Tree show toningt :)
 
Sep 30, 2022 at 11:30 AM Post #36,808 of 89,869
So CanJam was tons of fun, but also dangerous for me. Some new iem developments... despite promising myself I'd be done for a while (we all tell ourselves this lie).

- Had my last listening session last night with Red Halo FE, and it was spectacular. You know that feeling of remorse you get after a sale, well, yeah. That being said, as much of technical marvel as it is, it ultimately does not have an FR that gels with my main preferences. I am an analytical listener, full stop, but my on the go listening habits require a bit more fun and guilty pleasure bass whereas the Red Halo FE is a champion of accuracy and properness. @HiFiHawaii808 I'll probably come to regret this lol

- I'll be getting in the Supermoon hopefully before end of October. @Rockwell75's universal pair left a good impression on me so now I went and paid up for the one on Ebay even if pricy. I expect the bids to escalate and get close to the price anyway. YOLO

- Red Halo FE funds going straight to either Mentor Multiverse or Annihilator but I think it will be the Mentor as it's the best tuned iem I've heard to date - 13 years in this hobby. I think it's the closest to sounding like a X9000/ Susvara in voicing (not just FR, but especially texturally and underlying tonality). It's simply incredible.

- Annihilator is incredible as a technical champion, but the tuning may be tough for long term listening and enjoyment. I've been down that road far too often with things like LCD5, CRBN, SR-009, Utopia, ADX5000 & HD800 - though a lot of these still exist in my collection, they get seldom used unless for an occasional/ special listening session.


Friday afternoon album choice - loved this for several years, and a wonderful revisit. A very creative, and brilliantly produced blend of post rock, jazz, electronic, and ambient to name a few genres explored.


I absolutely love this album and a lot of other music from The Flashbulb!
 
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Sep 30, 2022 at 11:38 AM Post #36,809 of 89,869
I absolutely love this album and a lot of other music from The Flashbulb!

Yes he's fantastic, such diversity of genres across his albums.

I love his 'Pale Blue Dot - Tribute to Carl Sagan' work also under his own name... lined up to listen next.

 
Sep 30, 2022 at 12:15 PM Post #36,810 of 89,869
Does that mean that the Turii isolates better as well or is it just that you get sucked into the music to the point of becoming absent minded?

Anyway your favourites seem to change on a monthly basis. Not long ago it was the TZ700, then the Twilight. Speaking of which will you keep both the Turii and the Twilight?
Sometimes just gotta take everything with a grain of salt and take a step back from the hype. I appreciate bringing awareness to each of the IEMs, but may not believe it’s the miracle IEM they’re portrayed to be.
 

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