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Jun 10, 2021 at 4:30 PM Post #781 of 88,268
Just like computers we have RAM and ROM memory. The more you are RAM like and can keep a clean slate the better.
Indeed. Honestly, for me the real biggest criteria for anything is... Do I enjoy listening to it? Trying to quantify things is super hard for me and I struggle to keep up with the lingo or describe things in as much detail as others to the point that I wonder how much hyperbole is being thrown around.

There have also been very few things I have found truly bad.
 
Jun 10, 2021 at 4:44 PM Post #782 of 88,268
Indeed. Honestly, for me the real biggest criteria for anything is... Do I enjoy listening to it? Trying to quantify things is super hard for me and I struggle to keep up with the lingo or describe things in as much detail as others to the point that I wonder how much hyperbole is being thrown around.

There have also been very few things I have found truly bad.
If it's not hyperbole or untruthful it certainly needs a lot of concentration and time I assume. I think having a good method to reviewing things can be useful too . Having a structure , certain test tracks and knowing what to listen for can be the difference.
 
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Jun 10, 2021 at 5:43 PM Post #783 of 88,268
Lots of great comments on the mind over music debate...I'm going to craft a thoughtful response when I have more time either later today or on the weekend.
 
Jun 10, 2021 at 6:20 PM Post #784 of 88,268
To be honest in my opinion most human beings, after a certain point, lose the connection to the their true being and life to a great extent . As a child listening to music came so naturally like everything else. But once a false center is created in the head that is in constant move through thoughts to hide its fallacy from you ,going back and waking up to it is hard.
You get bored because you are stuck with it, and seeking hobbies and fresh experiences is a constant effort to get out of the mind and closer to the true self whether one knows it or not...
 
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Jun 10, 2021 at 7:14 PM Post #786 of 88,268
This thread is like the hotbox of headfi.... haha.

I don't get the reference...is that a fast food restaurant or something?
 
Jun 10, 2021 at 7:24 PM Post #788 of 88,268
Maybe he meant hotboxing as smoking marijuana or hashish in a small enclosed area, causing it to fill with smoke in order to maximize the effect.

Oh I see..I'm actually impressed, given the nature of some of the topics that come up and that many of the contributors don't speak English as a first language, that everything get expressed so articulately. I understand where @Tristy is coming from but everything I write is in earnest and (perhaps arrogantly) I prefer to think of this thread more along the lines of a Plato's Academy, where nothing is off the table philosophically.

In other news I may need a new cable for my Dorado 2020 soon...any recs anyone?
 
Jun 10, 2021 at 7:59 PM Post #789 of 88,268
Oh I see..I'm actually impressed, given the nature of some of the topics that come up and that many of the contributors don't speak English as a first language, that everything get expressed so articulately. I understand where @Tristy is coming from but everything I write is in earnest and (perhaps arrogantly) I prefer to think of this thread more along the lines of a Plato's Academy, where nothing is off the table philosophically.

In other news I may need a new cable for my Dorado 2020 soon...any recs anyone?
@tgx78 is correct. It wasn’t meant in a derogatory way, just as of late there has been a lot of very ‘out there’ conversations being had. I can relate to a lot of it but the reference was just in relation to how this type (and depth) of conversation is reminiscent of ones that are usually had when high.
 
Jun 10, 2021 at 11:14 PM Post #790 of 88,268
I actually posted this in this thread when I was high (in music) :smiley:
Initially I though, "What if the green you see was greener?" And then it led me to a rabbit hole..

The discussion of bias in perception, be it due to internal mental state, environmental factor, preconceived knowledge, etc. is something that has been talked about a lot in this forum. One of which I still remember of was from this post by Jason Stoddard, "How We Fool Ourselves?"
2021, Chapter 5:
How We Fool Ourselves



I’m sure you’ve all heard these proclamations before:

“OMG, I just got the new Arglebargle A200-33KX DAC and it’s a completely different ball game! It totally opened up the soundstage and the high end is so natural, I can’t believe how much better it is than my Crapstorm 5000!”

And:

“I just chose the best-measuring product, because measurements are what counts—the only scientific way to choose gear. Why accept a lesser-measuring product when there’s better out there?”

Uh-huh. Riiiiiiight. On both counts.

Yes Virginia. It’s time to piss off both the subjectivists and objectivists…again.

This time, by examining the myriad ways in which we fool ourselves.


Short-Circuit: Where We’re Coming From

“Again?” some of you are asking. “What do you mean, piss them off again?”

Well, for those of you who are new to this whole Schiit Happened thing, we have a long history of irritating pretty much everyone in audio. People who want to spend billions of dollars on cables and magic stones don’t like us, and people who want to select gear based on APx measurements alone don’t care for us either.

Why?

In short, due to chapters like “Measurements (With a Side Order of Sanity)”,”The Objectivist/Subjectivist Synthesis”, and “Lighted By the Blind.

Go ahead. Check them out. They’re all linked above.

Aside: And yeah, the Measurements chapter is wayyyyyyy outdated now (we now have an APx555, two APx525s, six Avermetrics, and one Stanford Research SR1, in addition to GHz scopes, FLIRs, spectrum analyzers, ESD generators)…holy moly, we have a lot of test stuff! I need to update that chapter soon.

Or, you can take this TL;DR summary of where we’re coming from:
  1. Differences between audio components are much smaller than most audiophiles make them out to be, at least to the majority of listeners.
  2. There are, however, differences that aren’t readily explained in terms of one frequency, one measurement, one number, and these differences may matter to some listeners.
Yep. That’s it. A lot of practicality, mixed in with some magical thinking, arrived at after many, many years in audio (Mike’s been doing this since the 1970s, I’ve been doing this since the 1990s). That’s where we’re coming from.

If this doesn’t gel with your perceived vision of the audio universe, that’s fine; you can move on from this chapter and continue on happily in your own bubble reality.

However, if you want to pry at your own notions of right and wrong, and maybe understand a few of the reasons some people think there are life-changing differences between components…and why some people think there aren’t, maybe this is worth a read. This chapter is intended to be both for objectivists and subjectivists. It tries to document some of the myriad ways in which we fool ourselves into thinking our gear is great/bad/same/different.

Because humans are subjective.

Because as unbiased as you think you are, you really aren’t.

Seriously:
  • Even if you think you have assembled a reference system that allows you to make unbiased subjective selections among a host of components that all sound different, the reality is you’re boned as soon as you put mood into the equation.
  • Even if you think everything sounds the same, as soon as you choose a piece of gear based on how smooth the knob is or how slick the UI is, your objectivity is toast…you’re now hopelessly biased.
Bottom line: everything is subjective, and humans are rationalizing animals, not rational animals.


Sound Foolin

Okay, so let’s start out by talking about sound, because that’s the crux of most arguments.

Does the Crapstorm beat up the Arglebargle? Does it “punch above its weight?” Does it sound smooth, bright, liquid, clear, nuanced, warm—or does it sound different than any other competently-designed component at all?

Most people make pronouncements about sound in grand and declarative terms: “It totally floored me! I heard stuff I never heard before! The emotional connection was so deep, it made me cry tears of joy!”

Aside: What’s hilarious is that many of these pronouncements are made after listening to unfamiliar music for 30 seconds on a noisy show floor. But more on that later.

Here’s the problem: these pronouncements are inextricably tied up with things that affect your perception—things that cause you to fool yourself.

Things like what? Things like this:

1. Good mood or bad mood.
What kind of day did you have? Did fedex lose the package you’ve been waiting for since you woke up? Did you get dumped by your significant other? Or did you just get a big raise at work, or meet someone new and dreamy?​
If you’re in a bad mood, your gear may sound, well, awful. Because you’re stressed, depressed, and hyper-tuned-in on every tiny thing that isn’t going right at the moment. That slight stridency in your shiny new product may suddenly be a deal-breaker. Or you may just be fooling yourself because you’re in a bad place.​
If you’re in a good mood, everything may sound great. If things are going your way, heck, nothing sounds better than a new super-expensive ultra-matched NOS tube set! Or, again, you may be fooling yourself, because nothing can get you down, and the world is a beautiful place to live in (thank you, Devo).​
Maybe I’m crazy, but I’ve totally had some crappy days where nothing sounded right, and the next day when everything was going better, it sounded great. If you don’t think your mood influences audio perception, you’re also, er, fooling yourself.​
2. Altered state of consciousness.
Sooooooo…how sober were you when you heard that life-changing gear and spent a small mortgage? After a few beers, or a THC vape pen (legal in CA, don’t roast me), things will sound very different. (And yeah, wine, whisky, heroin, E, don’t be pedantic).​
Hell, a couple of beers made hearing the difference between Vali 2 and Magni Heresy very, very hard, at least for me. (See the “Lighted by the Blind” chapter.) And I don’t particularly like THC, since all it makes me want to do is listen to music and watch cartoons—and all music sounds great when I’m baked, no matter what equipment we’re talking about. I mean, I probably couldn’t tell the difference between a broken component and one that was operating properly!​
So, I could be cynical and say, “This is definitely a call for audio retailers to start serving alcohol (and maybe more in states where that is legal,” or I could be more level-headed and say, “Making decisions based on altered states of consciousness can be very costly.”​
3. The total experience.
When you found that magical component you just had to have, did you discover it at an amazing dealer while out with your best friends, or did you hear the worst thing you’ve ever heard when your were caught in a downpour, and were soaked and miserable by the time you hit the dirty, dingy, odd-smelling store?​
Yeah, if it was me, I’d probably throw out both audio perceptions, because both were too much intertwined with the whole experience. Again, mood. Again, it matters.​
4. Operational preferences.
So wow, that new amp is super-powerful! All you have to do is crack the pot and you’re blown out of your chair!​
(Or it has a lot of gain or an aggressive pot taper and it’s not powerful at all.)​
Here’s the thing. Controls are tricky. You can fool yourself into thinking something sounds very different, just due to the volume pot ramp. Something that ramps up quicker will sound more powerful, even if that isn’t the case. You can make snap decisions based on the feel of a switch. Relay volume control is monumentally weird, if you have never used it before. A manufacturer’s decisions on the user interface (even if you’re talking knobs and lights) can deeply influence how you feel about a product…​
…and how you feel can fool your ears.​
5. Packaging bias.
So the new piece of gear you’re lusting after is an amazing tour de force of machining, hewn out of a solid block of aluminum with 32 hours of tooling time and a pile of shavings that will keep aluminum recyclers in business for the next year.​
But, don’t you have to ask yourself: is the packaging itself the cause of my lust? Will it make the gear sound better? Or is it just the thing separating a 5-figure price tag from a 4-figure price tag?​
And yes, I know, it looks sexy. But you’re not buying for your eyes, right?​
Right?
Yeah. Fooled again.​
6. Brand bias.
How many times have you heard someone breathlessly proclaim, “OMG, Arglebargle is coming out with a new DAC! GOTTA GET IT!”​
Really? Well, maybe Arglebargle has a good history with DACs, but who knows? They may have boned this one. How do you really know? And yeah, maybe you’ve bought lots of their products and always been happy, but again, maybe this is a mulligan.​
(And yeah this applies to us, I know a lot of people like our stuff.)​
In a perfect world, brand wouldn’t affect perception. But again. Humans. Rationalizing. Not rational.​
Getting it now?​
7. Place bias.
Like our made in USA. Or made in Germany. Or made in Japan. Or made wherever. Certain locations conjure specific associations, and some people want those associations in their gear.​
But does it make it sound better? Ah, no.​
8. Review goggles.
How many times have you heard someone say, “Well, it gets great reviews!” as a way to justify a new audio purchase?​
I get it. Most people like to have some confirmation of their fine taste and wisdom to purchase an excellent product, so something that gets good reviews is going to be perceived to “sound” better. Even if it doesn’t.​
But who’s reviewing the product? What’s their experience? Are they coming at it from the objective or subjective side? If you hew to the objective side, does it have great measurements? If you stick to the subjective, is it synergistic with your system?​
And let’s go further? Which reviewer? How much experience? What are their biases? What is their system? Any chance they are financially compromised?​
Really, everyone…if it sounds great to you, you shouldn’t care if 99.9% of reviewers say it sounds like ass.​
9. Measurement glasses.
“Oh, but I just go by the measurements!” you say. Cool. Yeah. And you’re fooling yourself if you don’t think this doesn’t influence your perception in the same way as reviewer goggles. If you think everything that measures a certain way sounds the same, you’re going to be more likely to think it does, even if it doesn’t.​
“But everything does sound the same, the measurements say so!” you say. Again cool. Again yeah. But what is the limit of human perception? Is it -80dB? Lower? On which frequencies? On what harmonics? All? Some? High-order only? Are there any tests we are missing in audio? Are some humans different in their perceptual ability?​
Here’s the thing: there’s not a lot of peer-reviewed reseach here, mainly because there’s not a ton of money in audio. But that’s foreshadowing. I’ll leave that till later.​
10. Scientism.
See above. Also hewing too close to something that sounds technologically sound or sciency, but isn’t, will probably have you hearing what you want to think as well.​
There are tons of companies using sciency stuff to claim different sound or perfect sound. It’s probably worth asking if any actual peer-reviewed research is involved in these claims.​
And yeah, I know, we have our buzzword bingo. But it’s not science. And we don’t make audio claims. And when I say something sounds great/different/better, I always slather it with a lot of “I may be crazy.” So there you go.​
11. Topology prejudice.
Okay, now we’re going deep. Because this really takes some esoteric knowledge (or ingestion of much design/marketing kool-aid.) Some people think any amount of solid-state components wreck a tube amp. Some people think anything besides op-amps are inaccurate sonic insanity. Some people think all tube amps are soft and warm. Some people think single-ended Class A is the way to go. Some people think balanced and differential.​
Here’s the thing: all of these thoughts affect perception.​
If you think “Class A or the highway,” you’re gonna be biased against everything that isn’t Class A. Class AB? Can’t possibly sound as good! Heck, it’s right in the name.​
If you are anti-sand (solid-state components used in a tube amp, as in “sand vs glass,”) then you’ll be more likely to hear “something disturbing” in a design that uses transistors or MOSFETs as well as tubes, even if they are in the power supply.​
Would you hear it in a blind test? Maybe. Maybe not.​
But again. You may be fooling yourself.​
12. Designerism.
Some people think some audio designers are infallible. Here’s the truth, coming from an audio designer: we are not.​
Nor is a “house sound” as much of a thing as people make it out to be. Yes, a designer can steer towards certain characteristics (that is, if you believe that competently designed components sound different), but there’s less control than you might expect. Especially if you’re comparing vastly different designs, at vastly different prices.​
Buy by designer…maybe great, or maybe they’re having an off day. I can confidently state none are infallible.​
13. Boredom, or familiarity breeds discontent.
Have you ever discovered an amazing song…and listened to it over and over and over again, until it doesn’t give you the same visceral reaction, until it becomes simply background noise?​
Hey, that’s music. That’s art.​
You think it ain’t different for components? Oh yeah. Once you get used to something, you may get an urge to move on. Because it’s familiar. Because it’s comfortable. Because you know it too well.​
(But, you know what? Maybe there’s really nothing wrong with it at all. You’re just bored.)​

Okay. Yeah. Time to sum up:

In terms of sound, everyone has biases. Everyone fools themselves.

But, you know what? It’s worse than that.


More Foolin

Oh yeah. You thought it was over. You thought that all the ways in which you fool yourself in terms of sound were bad enough.

Aside: I listed 13 ways above. I’m sure I missed a bunch.

But no. It gets worse. Go back to that statement early in the chapter: humans are rationalizing animals, not rational animals.

A lot of ways in which we fool ourselves have little to do with sound. Let’s have a look at them:

1. This one will be the last.
Have you ever told yourself, “This is the last thing I need.” Just one more component, just one more purchase, and that will be the pinnacle, the end, finito, done.​
Hold on a sec.​
I just…​
…I just gotta…​
…LOLOLLOLLLLLLLROFLCOPTER.​
Let me be blunt: you’re fooling yourself.​
Look up “cycle of addiction,” and see if the GIS images line up with your audio buying habits. If they do, welllllll…you may have a problem.​
Now, I’d definitely take an audio addiction over, say, a cocaine habit. But it is something you may want to consider, the next time you start browsing for new gear (while the boxes for the old gear are still cooling off under your desk), or the next time you say, “I just need this one thing, and I’m done with audio for a good long time,” and you realize the last component you bought was a week ago.​
2. This is my end game.
See above. Read again.​
3. I know what I like.
Yeah. I know what I like, too. It’s every new amp I design. If I’m doing tubes, I’m in love with tubes. If I’m doing solid state, I’m done with tubes.​
And then I surprise myself, and hit on something that shows me that my tastes aren’t immutable. I started doing very warm and syrupy headphone amps, because that’s what I liked (and many of the headphones of the era were bright), and moved towards more neutral and revealing products over the years. I long thought tubes were the only real answer for voltage gain, but recent products have put lie to that.​
So. Yeah. “I know what I like.” Until I hear better.​
4. This is the best thing/worst thing.
Absolutes should always be treated with skepticism. Especially when they are based on a minute of listening to unfamiliar music on an unfamiliar system at a noisy show. Or in any unfamiliar system, period.​
Do everyone a favor and save the absolutes. You don’t know their preferences or their system.​
5. There can’t possibly be any difference.
Yes. I know. There are things where there shouldn’t possibly be any difference. I get it. I am with you. And then there’s Unison USB, which I was so skeptical of that I pronounced it broken until I measured it.​
Here’s the thing: I think it’s important to keep an open mind. At least a bit open. The balance here is what matters. One way you’re declaring that anything that measures below a certain threshold sounds the same, the other you’re spending $5,000 on crystals to stick to your $15,000 isolation feet.​


Biggest Foolin

Is this over? Oh no. It gets crazier. So, buckle up. Let’s get to the two biggies.

You may like this. Or hate it.

1. I NEED this.
When you’re talking about expensive audio components, there is no “need.” None. Period. Sorry. This is BaFWP (beyond a first world problem.)​
Some people need an inexpensive cellphone or laptop to participate in the global economy, and sweat about the cost of such devices. Some people need shelter. Some people need supplemental oxygen.​
Nobody needs expensive audio gear. Sorry to be blunt.​
2. This is IMPORTANT.
LOL. No. Sorry. Audio, especially high-end audio, is not important. Not in the grand scheme of things. Delivery of supplemental oxygen on time to your gravely ill parent is important.​
As I mentioned before, there’s not a lot of peer-reviewed research in audio. Why? Because there’s not a ton of money in it. And investment, like it or not, is a measure of importance, at least on a big scale. If audio is important to you, that’s fine, I get it, but it’s not that big of a deal for the world.​
Maybe someday big-eared aliens with 1000000x the hearing acuity of humanity will show up, making audio reproduction absolutely critical for interstellar relations. Then the billions will flow. Then audio will be IMPORTANT.​
Until then, this is a fun pastime. Sit back, relax, and enjoy.​

Aaaand…know that you’re going to be fooling yourself. Probably in multiple ways.

Aaaaaaaaannnd…here’s the thing. If you’re not hurting anyone (or your wallet), that’s totally ok!
It's weird and crazy the countless of things that may affect our perception of how something sounds. And recently (well, not really) with the association of price with (judged) level of SQ relative to its peers, it creates a potentially dangerous positive feedback loop, where price keeps on rising as technology progresses, and people can no longer afford the 'good' stuff. On the other hand, I concur that innovators should merit to be compensated more than imitators. But a 'cost no object' I think should also be paired with its opposite twin 'minimal necessary force' innovation. That way we can all have both the cake and eat it too.
 
Jun 10, 2021 at 11:50 PM Post #791 of 88,268
Oh I see..I'm actually impressed, given the nature of some of the topics that come up and that many of the contributors don't speak English as a first language, that everything get expressed so articulately. I understand where @Tristy is coming from but everything I write is in earnest and (perhaps arrogantly) I prefer to think of this thread more along the lines of a Plato's Academy, where nothing is off the table philosophically.

In other news I may need a new cable for my Dorado 2020 soon...any recs anyone?
PW Orpheus. It turns any iem into a $5000 monster
 
Jun 11, 2021 at 12:43 AM Post #792 of 88,268
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<For TWS>
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<For AirPods Pro>
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Azla SednaEarfit Crystal is going to be released soon :) Sale starts next week here in Japan
 
Jun 11, 2021 at 12:55 AM Post #793 of 88,268
Aiming for the best sound that AZLA thinks, we analyzed the ear canals of 788 people and achieved both sound quality and fit, and the "Sedna Earfit ™" series became a big hit. The latest model, "SednaEarfit Crystal," was developed with the keyword "compression ZERO design", aiming for the highest quality that will not make you tired even if you wear it for the longest time in the history of the series. As a result of repeated trial production and testing, we have adopted the finest German-made premium LSR (Liquid Silicon Rubber), which has the characteristics required for earpieces in the material at a high level. This German-made premium LSR is a synthetic / elastic polymer with excellent heat resistance, oxidation resistance, surface tension, low temperature flexibility, and unique properties such as good dielectric properties. It is soft and does not burden you even if you use it for a long time, and it has a high level of compatibility with moderate friction resistance and fall prevention due to fixing force, low irritation against itching and allergies, suppression of bacterial growth, and high durability. In terms of acoustics, it is designed mainly for game environments and environments for enjoying 3D content, with the aim of providing clarity and deep tones. A horn shape is used inside to ensure clarity due to the wide sound stage and straightness of the sound. Moreover, it is designed to express true deep bass with punching power instead of emphasizing the general bass band. As a result, it demonstrates high acoustic performance not only in music but also in content systems. The hardness of the shaft is adjusted to be higher by the inner diameter and thickness, and by giving it a high holding force, it prevents falling and improves the straightness of the sound in the auditory canal, increasing the sense of localization that is important for content playback. SednaEarfit Crystal is a dedicated urethane coating adapter, "Standard" for normal earphones with an adapter that can be used even with thin nozzle type earphones, "for TWS" with a more optimized shaft for completely wireless earphones. 3 series of "for AirPods Pro" for AirPods Pro that adopted. As for the size development, the Standard type adopts his conventional 6 sizes of SS / S / MS / M / ML / L. For TWS and for AirPods Pro are existing products and have received many user requests, and his SSS size is newly added to develop 7 sizes. We have adopted a product structure of 3 pairs, which is a package of 2 pairs of single item size and 1 pair of 3 proximity sizes including the very popular intermediate size. More people can experience improved fit, stress-free, safe and secure, clear and dynamic sound.

"SednaEarfit Crystal" with the keyword of compression ZERO design Earpieces are an important factor that ultimately determines the sound quality of earphones. The "Sedna Earfit" series enables a high level of fitting and fixing force to the earphone nozzle, as well as improved sound insulation, with a basic design and shaft structure based on data analyzed from the ear canal of 788 people. In addition, it is a high-grade replacement earpiece that secures the straightness of the sound due to its unique shape and improves the high frequency characteristics as well as the natural tone. The latest model, "SednaEarfit Crystal," was developed with the keyword "compression ZERO design", aiming for the highest quality that will not make you tired even if you wear it for the longest time in the history of the series. With a sound that overflows the stage space and a beautifully shining style, this earpiece maximizes the potential of earphones and solves modern problems such as long-time wearing and dropping of earphones with his unique approach of AZLA.

Adopting the highest quality German premium LSR Sedna Earfit Crystal is the highest quality German premium that has the characteristics required for earpieces in the material as a result of long research, repeated trial production and testing to achieve the compression ZERO design. Uses LSR (Liquid Silicon Rubber). This German-made premium LSR is a synthetic / elastic polymer with excellent heat resistance, oxidation resistance, surface tension, low temperature flexibility, and unique properties such as good dielectric properties. Dense yet soft, less strain on the ears even after long-term use, moderate friction resistance and fixing force to prevent falling, hypoallergenic against itching and allergies, suppression of bacterial growth, and high durability Are compatible at a high level. 

■ Acoustic design specializing in 3D surround In terms of acoustics, we designed and tuned for the purpose of clear and deep sound, mainly assuming a game environment and an environment for enjoying 3D content. A horn shape is used inside to ensure clarity due to the wide sound stage and straightness of the sound. Moreover, it is designed to express true deep bass with punching power instead of emphasizing the general bass band. As a result, it demonstrates high acoustic performance not only in music but also in content systems. The hardness of the shaft is increased by adjusting the inner diameter and thickness, and by giving it a high holding force, it prevents falling and improves the straightness of the sound in the auditory canal, increasing the sense of localization that is important for content playback. 

Lineup of 3 types of shapes At SednaEarfit Crystal, based on requests from many SednaEarfit series users, we thoroughly investigate the shapes and nozzle sutras of modern wired and wireless earphones, and users select the most suitable earpiece. We have developed 3 types of earpiece shapes so that you can do it. "Standard" for both normal earphones and wireless earphones, "for TWS" with the shaft and umbrella optimized for completely wireless earphones with short nozzles, "forAirPods Pro" for Apple AirPods Pro with a dedicated urethane coating adapter Lineup of 3 types.

<Standard>
Compared to his conventional Sedna Earfit Short series, the "Standard" has a shaft inner diameter changed from 4.5mm to 3.5mm to strengthen the fixing force. In addition, a "nozzle adapter" that can be attached to earphones with thin nozzles is included as standard.

<For TWS>
Compared to Standard, "for TWS" has changed the height of the shaft from 8.8mm to 6.9mm, and is optimized for completely wireless earphones with short nozzles.

<For AirPods Pro>
His "for AirPods Pro" mounting adapter for AirPods Pro uses urethane coating adapter and ear wax guard, unlike general plastic adapters. The degree of adhesion with the main body is improved, and the low frequency range is strengthened, sound leakage is prevented, and the active noise canceling effect is strengthened. In addition, an emphasis is placed on maintainability, and a structure is adopted in which the shaft (adapter) and umbrella (earpiece) are separated. * Can be stored in the charging case with each size attached.

Size development that allows more people to best fit Standard adopts a total of 6 sizes of conventional SS / S / MS / M / ML / L. For TWS and for AirPods Pro are existing products, and in response to many user requests, we have added the smallest SSS size and adopted a total of 7 sizes. Each SednaEarfit Crystal has a size stamp on the body, so you can distinguish them even if they are mixed. There are two types of packaging, one is a single size 2 pair and the other is 3 pairs in which 1 pair of proximity 3 sizes (eg MS / M / ML) including the very popular intermediate size is packaged. This makes it easier to make fine adjustments when the size of the ear canal is different on the left and right. SednaEarfit Crystal is designed to give more people a better fit, stress-free, safe and secure, clear and dynamic sound.
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1) Premium material 2) Low friction 3) Durable 4) Fatigue-free 5) Non-polluting
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Azla SednaEarfit Crystal is going to be released soon :) Sale starts next week here in Japan

They seem to be for sale on Amazon already..
https://www.amazon.ca/AZLA-SednaEar...+Crystal&qid=1623387462&s=electronics&sr=1-12

I wish they wouldn't do the 3 sizes when I know only L will fit..

@tgx78 .. we should split a box.. I'll take the L you take the others.
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Jun 11, 2021 at 1:16 AM Post #794 of 88,268
I think Mental State & Attitude make much less of a difference the more experienced you are.

Definitely. A couple years go I had to spend a few days with an IEM or piece of gear to figure out if i was for me or not. Two years and a few dozen DAPs & IEMs later (combined with my best college effort of getting to the bottom of what exactly it is that I like and what my deal breakers are) and I pretty much know right away-- and definitely within a day-- if something will work for me or not, and why.

All of that said we are all human with biases, quirks, blindnesses, emotional attachments & needs, and so forth-- many of which we can't always fully perceive or control. Despite all my best efforts my own emotions and biases often do their best to color my perception or expectations and it's only by constant vigilance that I'm able to keep it in check...and even then I'm probably not always successful.

I think the environment or task-at-hand is a big factor in the Mental State & Attitude section too.

Some days after a long day at the office I come home racked with tension and nothing sounds good. Conversely first thing on Saturday morning as the sun is coming up and I'm enjoying my coffee and suddenly everything sounds good. I live very close to the ocean and even a sudden and drastic shift of barometric pressure can make things sound off or weird or otherwise unenjoyable.

The mastering of a track is as important (if not more important) than the transducer to me.

I've never seen anyone say this before but good mastering is something I've come to appreciate more and more over the years. I'll actively seek out and pay top dollar for the best masterings of my favorite records...it's much less important to me if it's on flac, 320 or whatever...though my OCD will always go for flac if all else is equal.

Listening to my Andromeda 2020s from @Rockwell75 and my Sony NW-ZX507 and it is bringing me so much joy.

Haha. I am grateful to have been able to purchase them used (thanks for the great prices guys). I definitely maxed out my budget but is it ever worth it for the fidelity and enjoyment.

Glad you're enjoying it man Andromeda 2020 is a top tier IEM.

But mental state is definitely a weird one and I think it extends to also include what we are used to. I have been listening pretty much exclusively to my Jolene lately. It sounds great, and more importantly, it sounds right. I took my nio for a quick spin and it sounded very strange. Keep in mind it was basically my personal benchmark for a very long time, and it just was odd. The whole brain burn in thing is very real in my mind (brain).

I'm going through something similar with BA timbre-- ever since getting used to dynamic mid-range timbre, first on the Elysium, then on the Dorado and most recently the Isabellae BA mids just sound unnatural and off to me...even when very well executed as on IEMs like the VE8 and Andromeda 2020. Perhaps it's just a phase but I dunno.

Indeed. Honestly, for me the real biggest criteria for anything is... Do I enjoy listening to it?

This can't be overstated-- along with the importance of being willing to follow your own tastes and inclinations wherever they may lead, and despite what anyone else may say.

To be honest in my opinion most human beings, after a certain point, lose the connection to the their true being and life to a great extent .

I agree but the best IEMs and gear can effortlessly draw you back to that state. I remember last week at lunch when I put Isa in for the first time "just for a quick demo" and I proceeded to lose track of time and before I knew it my whole lunch hour had passed and I was still under the spell of Isa.
 
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