I tried that briefly... it's nice but I'm undecided between soundstage vs bass
soundstage on the 12t to me is on the more intimate side anyways so I went full bass, but I prefer the extra isolation too since I use them outside of my home daily.
I tried that briefly... it's nice but I'm undecided between soundstage vs bass
Yeah, and it doesn't seem to narrow as much as U18s so it might not be a problem. My ears are still burning in.soundstage on the 12t to me is on the more intimate side anyways so I went full bass, but I prefer the extra isolation too since I use them outside of my home daily.
What did you dislike about Dorado? I thought it was a rip snorter!
You lost me there.If the Trio was a Vinyl essence, the Duo looks like a Daylight electronics future essence.... like Existence theory.
This is the other question in my mind. Is the bass texture also up there or better? The U12t gets tons of praise when it comes to its subbass performance and the bird is the first BA bass set that can compete with some of the best I've heard. So I may have to see about trying one out if the bass is that good...stick that M20 in and enjoy that sub-bass
Also, thanks for your impressionsI don't have many hours on U12t yet but my current impression is that they have similar flavor. Just technically very slightly behind the bird.
Compared to U12t + M15, the bird has wider soundstage and little more subbass, little more clarity/separation in mids. The upper mids and treble sparkle are little bit softer than U12t.
I think U12t has taller soundstage. I like that because drum kit cymbals comes from top as it should. Bird doesn't sound so high to me. U12t also has the right amount of upper-mids to me. It gives bite/sharp transients (guitar strum attacks, cymbals, and electronics) where needed without exaggeration. You can kind of see these traits in the graph (say, by Precogvision).
If the Trio was a Vinyl essence, the Duo looks like a Daylight electronics future essence.... like Existence theory.
This is the other question in my mind. Is the bass texture also up there or better? The U12t gets tons of praise when it comes to its subbass performance and the bird is the first BA bass set that can compete with some of the best I've heard. So I may have to see about trying one out if the bass is that good...
My take on comparing Traillii bass and U12t bass - I would say that they have different qualities. Traillii bass to me is a softer fatter bass that fills your head (I might call it slightly boomy but not to be confused with poor quality boom as it is good quality and resolving bass). U12t (M20) on the other hand has faster tight bass that reaches equally low. It just does not linger or fill your ears like Traillii (or EVO for that matter). It's not so dry as to make jazz upright bass and piano lifeless. U12t has very good note weight/body in my book.This is the other question in my mind. Is the bass texture also up there or better? The U12t gets tons of praise when it comes to its subbass performance and the bird is the first BA bass set that can compete with some of the best I've heard. So I may have to see about trying one out if the bass is that good...
My take on comparing Traillii bass and U12t bass - I would say that they have different qualities. Traillii bass to me is a softer fatter bass that fills your head (I might call it slightly boomy but not to be confused with poor quality boom as it is good quality and resolving bass). U12t (M20) on the other hand has faster tight bass that reaches equally low. It just does not linger or fill your ears like Traillii (or EVO for that matter). It's not so dry as to make jazz upright bass and piano lifeless. U12t has very good note weight/body in my book.
Take the Pantera song for example. U12t let's me hear the drums, bass, guitar, and vocal well separated. With Traillii, the sound fills your head as if you are listening in a small club with a wall of 15" speakers+horns, relatively speaking.
With Charlie Haden & Pat Metheny, you can kick back with more analog sounding Traillii, or listen to the fine nuance with U12t.
My take on comparing Traillii bass and U12t bass - I would say that they have different qualities. Traillii bass to me is a softer fatter bass that fills your head (I might call it slightly boomy but not to be confused with poor quality boom as it is good quality and resolving bass). U12t (M20) on the other hand has faster tight bass that reaches equally low. It just does not linger or fill your ears like Traillii (or EVO for that matter). It's not so dry as to make jazz upright bass and piano lifeless. U12t has very good note weight/body in my book.
Take the Pantera song for example. U12t let's me hear the drums, bass, guitar, and vocal well separated. With Traillii, the sound fills your head as if you are listening in a small club with a wall of 15" speakers+horns, relatively speaking.
With Charlie Haden & Pat Metheny, you can kick back with more analog sounding Traillii, or listen to the fine nuance with U12t.
Yup, this is what I was talking about with the PHoNIX earlier. The closest you can get would probably be a mid-bass bias with great sub-bass extension. Strong sub-bass rumble will always end up distracting - at least a little bit - from an IEM’s tidiness or precision in imaging. Like, as soon you start to get an idea of where each instrument is supposed to be, a wave of sub-bass washes it away, and you have to get your bearings again.Also, I don't think you can have both (head-filling speaker-like bass and tighter more incisive bass). It's either or, and really a preference thing. I find the former more natural and life-like, the latter more clinical and so-called 'audiophile', taking focus off the bass and casting it more on the other frequencies. EVO for me is the pinnacle of life-like/speaker-like bass, U12t is more clinical (albeit with more quantity than typic BA bass), and Traillii splits the difference.
Brilliant descriptions all round. I can now blame my sub bass addiction for not being able to hear the flutter of the strings in the third row of the orchestra. Actually stuff the strings, gimme the bass!My friend, you’ve just encapsulated a sub-bass emphasis vs. a mid-bass emphasis in a nutshell.
Yup, this is what I was talking about with the PHoNIX earlier. The closest you can get would probably be a mid-bass bias with great sub-bass extension. Strong sub-bass rumble will always end up distracting - at least a little bit - from an IEM’s tidiness or precision in imaging. Like, as soon you start to get an idea of where each instrument is supposed to be, a wave of sub-bass washes it away, and you have to get your bearings again.