[AGC]

All i know about it is that the Music Lovers crossover does not require an amp. The Music Makers line was designed for musicians to plug into their professional amps and such. I think the Music Makers have a different signiture than the Music Lovers. Also, the music makers has a detachable cable. Thats the main reason im getting them.

 

[powertoold]

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Originally Posted by fatman711 /img/forum/go_quote.gif can someone explain to me what the diff between music makers and music lovers is? I still haven't gotten an answer and am eager to get a pair of these. what is the difference between the crossovers? What is crossover anyways? thanks

Differences:

1) Detachable UE / Westone style cable
2) "Upgraded" / better crossover:
- A crossover is a circuit / wire that is able to direct different ranges of frequencies to different drivers. For a triple driver IEM, the crossover is extremely important. Your sound signature, frequency response, and balance depend on the crossover.
3) Shielded wires inside the IEM (they may be doing this for all of them now)

There aren't many differences, but personally, I think it's worth the extra $110.

If I were to make a recommendation, I would go with the Music Makers - even if you aren't going to use them with an amp.

 

[AGC]

powertoold: You seem to be knowledgable. why do you recommendthe Music Makers over the Music Lovers? Are you talking about the crossover or the earphone in general? I could understand if you recommended the Music Maker Line over the Music Lover Line but what about the crossover? Would you recommend the Music Makers IEM with the Music Lovers crossover?

 

[HiFlight]

I ordered the music makers FreqShow with the music lovers crossover, based upon Todd's recommendations after much discussion regarding my planned usage and types of music I listen to. I will also be amping them in most cases.

We will see what happens.

 

[wquiles]

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Originally Posted by HiFlight /img/forum/go_quote.gif I ordered the music makers FreqShow with the music lovers crossover, based upon Todd's recommendations after much discussion regarding my planned usage and types of music I listen to. I will also be amping them in most cases. We will see what happens.

If you don't care for the detachable cables, that option would be most sensible or better bang for the buck

In fact, I "might" still consider this "upgrade" to my SuperFreQs, depending on how the fit works out when I get them this coming week

Will

 

[wquiles]

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Originally Posted by AGC /img/forum/go_quote.gif can someone kindly explain to me how the refit works? Do you have to go the audiologist again?

You don't have to see the audiologist again, but you need to note as much as possible as to where it fits well, where does not ... is there an area that "hurts" ... how is the seal/isolation you are getting ... just tell them "everthing" you can think off as to how they feel in your ear and what is not working - they will take this feedback (along with your IEM's) and make "adjustments" to the plastic/casing of the IEM for a better fit.

That is what I did when I first got custom ear tips for my TF's, and now when I got the SuperFreQs

Will

 

[wquiles]

By the way, we are talking here about the FreQs, but UE is running a special on their products (20% off until 5/12 !!!):

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/4195115-post1026.html


Will

 

[Caution]

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Originally Posted by faiz23 /img/forum/go_quote.gif and my girl well she listens to girly crap and she prefers the music makers since it sounds very clean and true like the artist is inside your head singing, where superfreqs over power and is a fun iem but gets to boomy and hurts your head. to each their own.

Hi, I Faiz, I don't mean to sound rude but how can your girlfriend prever the musicmakers over the super.freqs when she only has the super.freqs? Or did she get the Music makers as well? Don't tell me she tried your ones on

 

[powertoold]

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Originally Posted by AGC /img/forum/go_quote.gif powertoold: You seem to be knowledgable. why do you recommendthe Music Makers over the Music Lovers? Are you talking about the crossover or the earphone in general? I could understand if you recommended the Music Maker Line over the Music Lover Line but what about the crossover? Would you recommend the Music Makers IEM with the Music Lovers crossover?

At this point, I'm just shooting in the dark because I don't have the FreQ Shows, but I personally think the FreQ company has spent a lot of time working on the Music Maker crossover. It should be more neutral and sound better overall since it is made for sound engineers.

The only reason I think they recommend using an amp with the MM crossover is that it is really sensitive. Otherwise, I don't see why / how they would design it to be only good for amps. Germania has said it sounds better with an amp, and in my experience, my SuperFreQs also sound much better with my iBasso D2. It is because there isn't any hiss, and the sound is more refined.

With really sensitive IEMs like the FreQs, the amp makes a big difference. You can clearly hear all the little nice things that an amp does for you.

 

[powertoold]

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Originally Posted by HiFlight /img/forum/go_quote.gif I ordered the music makers FreqShow with the music lovers crossover, based upon Todd's recommendations after much discussion regarding my planned usage and types of music I listen to. I will also be amping them in most cases. We will see what happens.

That's odd HiFlight. If anything, I would see you with the Music Maker crossover. Personally, I would go with the Music Maker crossover first, and if I don't like it, then I'd get it changed to the Music Lover crossover for a "fee" (not sure how much).

 

[AGC]

powertoold: I see the main points of what you are saying. So are you saying that I should get the Music Makers crossover? I guess you are right, I would think that FreQ spent some hard time developing the crossover. I dont have an amp right now and i dont imagine getting one any time soon due to the money it will suck out of me. I will be using them from an iPhone and a 5g ipod video. I have the SE530s, and the 119 db sensitivity doesn't bother me because i listen to loud music; music with a lot of activity unlike classical. Is 124/122 db make THAT much of a difference and create a lotmore hiss?

Does Germania have the Music Maker Crossover by the way? I might talk to her

 

[powertoold]

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Originally Posted by AGC /img/forum/go_quote.gif powertoold: I see the main points of what you are saying. So are you saying that I should get the Music Makers crossover? I guess you are right, I would think that FreQ spent some hard time developing the crossover. I dont have an amp right now and i dont imagine getting one any time soon due to the money it will suck out of me. I will be using them from an iPhone and a 5g ipod video. I have the SE530s, and the 119 db sensitivity doesn't bother me because i listen to loud music; music with a lot of activity unlike classical. Is 124/122 db make THAT much of a difference and create a lotmore hiss? Does Germania have the Music Maker Crossover by the way? I might talk to her

Yes, Germania got the MM crossover. Also you have to keep in mind that the new FreQ plug won't fit into your iPhone. I think it's too big.

You heard faiz23's impressions of the new crossover. He said it sounds amazing and "OMG didn't know crossover made a difference". Apparently, he's impressed, but he needs to make more detailed impressions for us

From his initial words, I assume he is listening to his MM FreQs directly out of the iPod phone out because he doesn't mention an amp, and he is using the EQ. Although, I do know that the EQ affects iPod line out, so he'll have to confirm that.

 

[monsterhk]

Seems faiz23 play with the eq setting, but I would like to know which crossover sounds balance without eq cause faiz23 said that the bass is suppress by the Music Maker crossover.

 

[powertoold]

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Originally Posted by monsterhk /img/forum/go_quote.gif Seems faiz23 play with the eq setting, but I would like to know which crossover sounds balance without eq cause faiz23 said that the bass is suppress by the Lover Maker crossover.

faiz23 said the SuperFreQs have too much bass, and I agree (for classical music).

 

[powertoold]

I just wanted to say some words about custom IEMs and perhaps steer some people the right direction.

Custom IEMs were initially made for stage musicians who didn't want to ruin their hearing. They are convenient because of their great isolation, small size, light weight, good comfort, and ease of insertion and removal. Although they are made to sound as good as possible, I personally don't think they can ever compare to full sized headphones. If you aren't looking the characteristics I mentioned, I would recommend staying with full-sized headphones.

I really enjoy my FreQs because I have roommates, and when I use them, I can't hear anything and can actually study

If I didn't have roommates, I would definitely use some other headphones.