The Beyerdynamic DT880 Discussion thread
Apr 27, 2021 at 5:59 AM Post #11,986 of 12,546
I think i'm starting to regret having the 600ohm version the the DT880s. I like the ability to have a very clean desk and a small amplifier (i use the FiiO A5) but it just isn't powerful enough for them a lot of the time, but to get something that actually would drive them well likely won't even make a big difference when you start considering cost. You effectively have to pay well over the price of the headphones again to get something that is very good and will make the 600ohms start to be a benefit IMO. I used to think i should get this sort of stuff, but now I feel i should have known that the premiums did actually come in lower impedences. Would have been handy as i could just have the A3 on my desk as i do now and drive them easily. While i do believe everyone that will say the 600ohms will be better, to be able to drive them well, i think the cost effectively makes them much worse value than the others. That is the main reason why I now think i made the wrong decision. But I thought the pros were the ones that had a lower impedance, but then they have coiled cables which i find annoying for desktop use.
The 600 Ω has a way better square wave response than the 250 ohm version and sounds faster as a result. There isn't a single headphone on the market that outperforms the DT880 600 Ω in every category. The DT880 600 Ω has the world's best mid-range performance, very good bass extension for a dynamic with zero bloom, and extremely detailed treble.
 
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Apr 27, 2021 at 7:21 AM Post #11,987 of 12,546
The 600 Ω has a way better square wave response than the 250 ohm version and sounds faster as a result. There isn't a single headphone on the market that outperforms the DT880 600 Ω in every category. The DT880 600 Ω has the world's best mid-range performance, very good bass extension for a dynamic with zero bloom, and extremely detailed treble.
I'm sorry I have to speak out. To my ears, the DT880 600Ohm is the worst mid-range performer in the world. I love the soundstage, the imaging, the details yes. There is even some sub bass hidden in there. Just enough to let you know it's present but I absolutely hate the midrange on these. I listen mostly to instrumental stuff on it. Jazz, some Techno but that's about it. I quickly switch to something else if vocals come in to play
 
Apr 27, 2021 at 7:35 AM Post #11,988 of 12,546
I'm sorry I have to speak out. To my ears, the DT880 600Ohm is the worst mid-range performer in the world. I love the soundstage, the imaging, the details yes. There is even some sub bass hidden in there. Just enough to let you know it's present but I absolutely hate the midrange on these. I listen mostly to instrumental stuff on it. Jazz, some Techno but that's about it. I quickly switch to something else if vocals come in to play
https://headphonedatabase.com/oratory?ids=92. This is not a matter of "to your ears." They objectively have a near flawless mid-range.
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Apr 27, 2021 at 9:00 AM Post #11,990 of 12,546
Guess I gotta chime in on this: a basic quality of 600Ω cans that sets them apart from lower-impedance siblings is the diaphragm response with lighter-weight windings, a traditional feature of all mfgr's 600Ω cans. It puts a strain on many mini-amps & amp headphone outputs due to power rqmts. I got lucky trolling many CanJams, plugging in my hungry 600Ω'ers until I found the one that sounded best. I found Earmax was best sound for the buck, but I happily settled for the FiiO E12: portable, and lots of power for all my hungry cans. I still use mine, and it "can" be found online. Yes, the tubes do a good job of taming the zippy Beyer high end, and the 600Ω's have zip. The A5 is underpowered, and I have not played with the A3 because I need a grippy vol knob to constantly adjust differing music levels. Oh, yeah: Woo. Or maybe a Beyer A20. Neither is portable or particularly small.
I read through this entire thread and am still confused about why the 32 ohm version isn't recommended. https://www.head-fi.org/threads/dt880-600ohm-bs.506963/
The only thing that seems to be "worse" about the 32 ohm version is the ringing when using an amp with an output impedance less than 2 ohms. However, many headphone amplifiers nowadays have output impedances of less than 0.2 ohms, hinting to differences being even smaller. Also, would using a higher output impedance amplifier, say 68 Ω output impedance, have a negative effect on the 600 Ω's square wave?
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The 600 Ω has significantly lower %THD+noise at 100 dB in the mids and highs than the other versions. Perhaps this is what Beyerdynamic was referring to when they said "In general, it can be stated that the resolution and precision of the high mids and highs is slightly better at higher impedances."

(32 Ω):
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(250 Ω):
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(600 Ω):
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Apr 27, 2021 at 10:47 AM Post #11,991 of 12,546
One thing i don't like about the DT880s is the peak in the lower treble region around 10 or 11khz. If there was a bump, I would prefer it to be higher than this. Something just makes them sound sharp and over piercing occasionally. I found adding some foam disks helped with this.
 
Apr 27, 2021 at 11:53 AM Post #11,992 of 12,546
I read through this entire thread and am still confused about why the 32 ohm version isn't recommended. https://www.head-fi.org/threads/dt880-600ohm-bs.506963/
The only thing that seems to be "worse" about the 32 ohm version is the ringing when using an amp with an output impedance less than 2 ohms. However, many headphone amplifiers nowadays have output impedances of less than 0.2 ohms, hinting to differences being even smaller. Also, would using a higher output impedance amplifier, say 68 Ω output impedance, have a negative effect on the 600 Ω's square wave?
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The 600 Ω has significantly lower %THD+noise at 100 dB in the mids and highs than the other versions. Perhaps this is what Beyerdynamic was referring to when they said "In general, it can be stated that the resolution and precision of the high mids and highs is slightly better at higher impedances."

(32 Ω):
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(250 Ω):
250 ohm distortion.png

(600 Ω):
600 ohm distortion.png
You made me pull the 880s of the wall. I am currently running the Dekoni Choice Suede pads with a little DSP on the RME and power from the Marantz amp.
I now remember why I haven't sold them

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Apr 29, 2021 at 7:02 AM Post #11,993 of 12,546
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May 2, 2021 at 11:06 AM Post #11,996 of 12,546
I’ll chime in on the 250 vs 600 ohm debate even though over time, its been beaten to death in this thread. I’ve owned a 250ohm Pro since 2013 and 2 pairs of 600 ohms Premiums (one got stolen not too long ago). Always thought they were indistinguishable apart from a bit more tightness in the bass from the 600 ohm - which might have been coming from the lighter clamp. They are both fantastic value and I doubt you can tell them apart in a blind test - despite what the square wave measurements tell you.

I will say this, however. The newer batch of production DT880/600 seem to have a warmer sound than I remember my old stolen pair of DT880/600 (these are not the pre-05 model either). They changed the cable to a much thinner, lower quality cable and it seems the padding on top of the headband is lower quality as well. Little things but they made me sigh.
When i plugged them i noticed they were a bit warmer in the midbass and have noticeably less “air” than the older production did. Might be my mind playing tricks on me - they still sound fantastic out my 2-ch stereo amp and the BH Crack, just different.

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May 2, 2021 at 11:44 AM Post #11,997 of 12,546
I’ll chime in on the 250 vs 600 ohm debate even though over time, its been beaten to death in this thread. I’ve owned a 250ohm Pro since 2013 and 2 pairs of 600 ohms Premiums (one got stolen not too long ago). Always thought they were indistinguishable apart from a bit more tightness in the bass from the 600 ohm - which might have been coming from the lighter clamp. They are both fantastic value and I doubt you can tell them apart in a blind test - despite what the square wave measurements tell you.

I will say this, however. The newer batch of production DT880/600 seem to have a warmer sound than I remember my old stolen pair of DT880/600 (these are not the pre-05 model either). They changed the cable to a much thinner, lower quality cable and it seems the padding on top of the headband is lower quality as well. Little things but they made me sigh.
When i plugged them i noticed they were a bit warmer in the midbass and have noticeably less “air” than the older production did. Might be my mind playing tricks on me - they still sound fantastic out my 2-ch stereo amp and the BH Crack, just different.

Yep, pretty much mirrors my experience listening to both. A bit more sterile presentation with the 600 leaves me “enjoying” my (older) 250 Pro more often. Still a great reference and starting point for good cans, along with my HD Senns.
 
May 2, 2021 at 11:51 AM Post #11,998 of 12,546
I would not describe my 2014 880-600s as bright. Not when compared to DT1990s…
 

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