[dakanao]

How does the DT 880 600 Ohm and the Sennheiser HD 600 compare in terms of mids and treble?
 
I myself like a more forward, realistic and clear presentation of music, with as little harshness as possible. Midrange shouldn't be recessed, neutral or more upfront, but the treble should be very clear.
 
I listen to hiphop, but I don't like boosted bass at all, I like neutral bass.

 

[Me x3]

  How does the DT 880 600 Ohm and the Sennheiser HD 600 compare in terms of mids and treble?
 
I myself like a more forward, realistic and clear presentation of music, with as little harshness as possible. Midrange shouldn't be recessed, neutral or more upfront, but the treble should be very clear.
 
I listen to hiphop, but I don't like boosted bass at all, I like neutral bass.

Upper mids are sightly recessed on DT880 and slightly forward on HD600
 
HD600 is slightly warmer although both are close to neutral
 
Both have clear treble, but DT880 is more prone to sibilance and harshness depending on the recording
 
Based on your preferences, the HD600 seems to be a wiser pick.

 

[bavinck]

Well, yeah...
There's still a chance that we are using the word 'texture' with a slightly different meaning (or not).

DT990 always offered more micro detail to me.
(Cimbals, metal winds (often way too loud), violin, viola, cello...)
DT990's offered a more vibrant presentation at the big expense of macro-detail and bass clarity.

DT880s while much more neutral and tonally correct, it has its own sort of veil in my book.

The other day I was comparing HD650 and DT880 with a pretty good opera recording (Carmen).
Even considering the much darker HD650 presentation, the violins still sounded more textured.
All in all, I still preferred DT880 over HD650 with that particular recording due to the more open and uncoloured presentation, but can't deny the violins were more violin-like on HD650.

Great impressions. I have yet to hwar the 650. I have heard the 600 but it did not wow me like the 880 does.

 

[Me x3]

Great impressions. I have yet to hwar the 650. I have heard the 600 but it did not wow me like the 880 does.

Have you tried the Sennheiser HD800?

 

[bavinck]

Have you tried the Sennheiser HD800?

Not yet, but it is on my list to try. I just got a t5p 2nd gen, absolutely amazing headphone!

 

[Me x3]

Not yet, but it is on my list to try. I just got a t5p 2nd gen, absolutely amazing headphone!

If you like DT880's sound signature (and you don't mind a very slightly drier and more analytical sound) you'll love the HD800.
 
Nice pick! I've tried a late T5p v1 in the past and like it.
Significantly warmer than DT880 as far as I remember.
 
I'm pretty sure the T5p v2 is among the very best closed back headphones.

 

[GoodGucciGoo]

Not yet, but it is on my list to try. I just got a t5p 2nd gen, absolutely amazing headphone!

what's the difference between t5p and t1? seems the prices are pretty much the same

 

[Me x3]

  what's the difference between t5p and t1? seems the prices are pretty much the same

T5p is closed back and easy to drive
T1 is open back and pretty hard to drive

 

[xkonfuzed]

  If you like DT880's sound signature (and you don't mind a very slightly drier and more analytical sound) you'll love the HD800.
 
 

I second that statement, even though I'd disagree with you on it being drier. For anyone who loves the 880's sound presentation but wants a technical upgrade, the HD800 seems to be the best choice. I found it had warmer lower mids than the 880's and the treble spikes weren't as pronounced as the Beyers, but I think they are very similar in bass with the HD800 having quicker decay and digging deeper in the sub bass. 

 

[bavinck]

  I second that statement, even though I'd disagree with you on it being drier. For anyone who loves the 880's sound presentation but wants a technical upgrade, the HD800 seems to be the best choice. I found it had warmer lower mids than the 880's and the treble spikes weren't as pronounced as the Beyers, but I think they are very similar in bass with the HD800 having quicker decay and digging deeper in the sub bass. 

That makes me want to try the hd800

 

[Me x3]

  I second that statement, even though I'd disagree with you on it being drier. For anyone who loves the 880's sound presentation but wants a technical upgrade, the HD800 seems to be the best choice. I found it had warmer lower mids than the 880's and the treble spikes weren't as pronounced as the Beyers, but I think they are very similar in bass with the HD800 having quicker decay and digging deeper in the sub bass. 

Are your impressions based on HD800 and DT880 both plugged into a low output impedance amplifier?

 

[xkonfuzed]

  Are your impressions based on HD800 and DT880 both plugged into a low output impedance amplifier?

The HD800 was plugged into an HDVA800. 

 

[Me x3]

  The HD800 was plugged into an HDVA800. 

HDVD 800 is not perfectly flat for HD800 since it has 43 Ohm output impedance.
It results in a very slight bump centered at the mid-bass that extends into the lower midrange mimicking HD800's impedance vs frequency plot.
With very slightly I mean +0.5dB @ 100Hz
 
So that might tweak the sound a tiny bit but there are surely other variables involved.
 
Not all HD800 units measure the same, even comparing Sennheiser's own "measurements"
I've seen HD800 that measure a bit warmer/more recessed in the upper midrange than mine (both Sennheiser's FR certificates and other measurements)
So that might have something to do as well.

 

[bavinck]

  HDVD 800 is not perfectly flat for HD800 since it has 43 Ohm output impedance.
It results in a very slight bump centered at the mid-bass that extends into the lower midrange mimicking HD800's impedance vs frequency plot.
With very slightly I mean +0.5dB @ 100Hz
 
So that might tweak the sound a tiny bit but there are surely other variables involved.
 
Not all HD800 units measure the same, even comparing Sennheiser's own "measurements"
I've seen HD800 that measure a bit warmer/more recessed in the upper midrange than mine (both Sennheiser's FR certificates and other measurements)
So that might have something to do as well.

All that in mind, are we all in agreement that the hd800 would be a nice upgrade from the dt880?

 

[Me x3]

  All that in mind, are we all in agreement that the hd800 would be a nice upgrade from the dt880?

Yes, unless you want a more 'musical' (read: significantly warmer, less prone to expose sibilance, ...) headphone