The Audio Lounge
Dec 8, 2019 at 11:16 AM Post #21,601 of 36,108
 
Dec 8, 2019 at 11:25 AM Post #21,602 of 36,108
Love that song... first heard it in a TV show... in fact it has been featured in several shows. I have never seen this video. I only watch videos when you guys post them here ... or when I am looking for my word of the week posts.
 
Dec 8, 2019 at 11:33 AM Post #21,603 of 36,108
 
Dec 9, 2019 at 1:24 PM Post #21,604 of 36,108
It appears that my Onkyo DP-X1, which is my best DAP, has more or less stopped working.
It's boot-looping, even when trying to reinstall "Onkyo_v1.28_update.zip" from within TWRP.
The battery also dropped from 100% to less than 10%, in about 25-minutes, while I was trying to reload software and get the DP-X1 to boot back up.
Even if I do get the software working again, the DAP won't be very useful as a portable music device.
According to several people on the DP-X1 thread, there aren't any replacement batteries available to the public, or the authorized US service center.
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Are the recent iBasso DAPs Android based?
Can the boot-loader be unlocked (to install TWRP), and can they be rooted with Magisk?
Do they have access to the Google Play Store?
I'd consider one that has a 2.5mm TRRS Output jack.
 
Dec 9, 2019 at 3:59 PM Post #21,605 of 36,108
It appears that my Onkyo DP-X1, which is my best DAP, has more or less stopped working.
It's boot-looping, even when trying to reinstall "Onkyo_v1.28_update.zip" from within TWRP.
The battery also dropped from 100% to less than 10%, in about 25-minutes, while I was trying to reload software and get the DP-X1 to boot back up.
Even if I do get the software working again, the DAP won't be very useful as a portable music device.
According to several people on the DP-X1 thread, there aren't any replacement batteries available to the public, or the authorized US service center.
.
Are the recent iBasso DAPs Android based?
Can the boot-loader be unlocked (to install TWRP), and can they be rooted with Magisk?
Do they have access to the Google Play Store?
I'd consider one that has a 2.5mm TRRS Output jack.

Yes ibasso is android base along with their own mango os.

I don’t know about magisk or twrp but lurker has images for I believe dx160,200 and 220 that installs google play. Otherwise ibasso images do not come with google play installed.
 
Dec 9, 2019 at 4:45 PM Post #21,606 of 36,108
It appears that my Onkyo DP-X1, which is my best DAP, has more or less stopped working.
It's boot-looping, even when trying to reinstall "Onkyo_v1.28_update.zip" from within TWRP.
The battery also dropped from 100% to less than 10%, in about 25-minutes, while I was trying to reload software and get the DP-X1 to boot back up.
Even if I do get the software working again, the DAP won't be very useful as a portable music device.
According to several people on the DP-X1 thread, there aren't any replacement batteries available to the public, or the authorized US service center.
.
Are the recent iBasso DAPs Android based?
Can the boot-loader be unlocked (to install TWRP), and can they be rooted with Magisk?
Do they have access to the Google Play Store?
I'd consider one that has a 2.5mm TRRS Output jack.
You can install Google play on a dx160 with apk from apkpure very simply and it works fine.... as you can see I have Amazon music next to it which i installed from google play, no need for lurker images on dx160 for play support. 20191209_213956.jpg

Edit...only 4.4 though and most seem to be nowadays.
 
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Dec 10, 2019 at 10:19 PM Post #21,613 of 36,108
Yes ibasso is android base along with their own mango os.

I don’t know about magisk or twrp but lurker has images for I believe dx160,200 and 220 that installs google play. Otherwise ibasso images do not come with google play installed.

You can install Google play on a dx160 with apk from apkpure very simply and it works fine.... as you can see I have Amazon music next to it which i installed from google play, no need for lurker images on dx160 for play support.

Edit...only 4.4 though and most seem to be nowadays.

Thanks for your replies.
I think I did find some info about rooting the DX series - maybe just links to lurker's work.
It's currently out of my price-range (US$881 at BH Photo), but the DX220 appears to come with a AMP1 MKII module, which has both 3.5mm TRS and 2.5mm TRRS outputs.
The only place I've been able to find the output specifications for the AMP1 MKII module, is in the DX220 Manual.
They don't appear to sell the AMP1 MKII separately - at least it's not listed on their website.
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This implies that the Balanced Output could be capable of 1.2Wrms into 32Ω, if it can deliver 192mArms to the load.
P = V^2 / R
I = P / V
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Specifications

- 2.5mm Headphone Out -
Output Level: 6.2Vrms
Frequency Response: 10Hz~45kHz +/-0.3dB
S/N: 125dB
THD+N: 0.00018% (no Load, 3Vrms),0.0002% (32Ω Load, 3Vrms)
Crosstalk: -119dB

- 3.5mm Headphone Out -
Output Level: 3.1Vrms
Frequency Response: 10Hz~45kHz +/-0.3dB
S/N: 123dB
THD+N: 0.00031% (no Load, 1.8Vrms),0.00035% (32Ω Load, 1.8Vrms)
Crosstalk: -117dB

- Line Out -
Output Level: 3.0Vrms
Frequency Response: 10Hz~45kHz +/- 0.3dB
S/N: 122dB
THD+N: 0.00035% (no Load, 1.8Vrms)
Crosstalk: -116dB
 
Dec 11, 2019 at 1:35 AM Post #21,614 of 36,108
Thanks for your replies.
I think I did find some info about rooting the DX series - maybe just links to lurker's work.
It's currently out of my price-range (US$881 at BH Photo), but the DX220 appears to come with a AMP1 MKII module, which has both 3.5mm TRS and 2.5mm TRRS outputs.
The only place I've been able to find the output specifications for the AMP1 MKII module, is in the DX220 Manual.
They don't appear to sell the AMP1 MKII separately - at least it's not listed on their website.
.
This implies that the Balanced Output could be capable of 1.2Wrms into 32Ω, if it can deliver 192mArms to the load.
P = V^2 / R
I = P / V
.
Specifications

- 2.5mm Headphone Out -
Output Level: 6.2Vrms
Frequency Response: 10Hz~45kHz +/-0.3dB
S/N: 125dB
THD+N: 0.00018% (no Load, 3Vrms),0.0002% (32Ω Load, 3Vrms)
Crosstalk: -119dB

- 3.5mm Headphone Out -
Output Level: 3.1Vrms
Frequency Response: 10Hz~45kHz +/-0.3dB
S/N: 123dB
THD+N: 0.00031% (no Load, 1.8Vrms),0.00035% (32Ω Load, 1.8Vrms)
Crosstalk: -117dB

- Line Out -
Output Level: 3.0Vrms
Frequency Response: 10Hz~45kHz +/- 0.3dB
S/N: 122dB
THD+N: 0.00035% (no Load, 1.8Vrms)
Crosstalk: -116dB

Maybe go for a 200 second hand? Or dx150?... All though personally I would avoid both the 200 and 220 as both are laggy and the battery playing hi res is atrocious, which is a shame because i think ibasso nail the audio . The dx160 although 4.4mm has way better battery but again it has flaws both bluetooth and wifi have limited range, wifi works ok but at a short distance but the bluetooth suffers cut outs and lots are complaining about it.

This brings me on to something I have been thinking about for the last few days, been in this game for quite a few years now and to be honest im getting a bit fed up with the hardware side, every dap I have owned since and including x7 has had some issue be it only small on a couple of them, now I mostly only play from card so these glitches or problems rarely effect me but we are paying a lot of money at times for this hardware and well I think because of this I'm going to complain and voice a lot more ...im currently using a dx160 it honestly sounds fantastic and I do rec it but why put a 1080p screen on a dap if you can't really use it? I have had to turn rhe brightness down to virtually nothing and resolution to 720p , God for bid trying to watch a video on this lol and then you have the bluetooth and wifi as well, it does however sound amazing, very close to there 220 I have heard and I think better in some ways than a 208 , better dynamics and stage.
My fiio m11 decided to have a faulty 3.5mm socket so again something going wrong , i feel that fiio in general are falling a little behind than ibasso too for audio all though the m11 still sounds good but fiio are nailing the build really apart from my 3.5mm issue.
Hiby are building some nice daps and if the r6pro and r3 are anything to go by then the new r3pro and r5 should be stellar in this regard, sound wise i liked both r3 and r6pro and the only thing I can think of that bothered me was hiss on r6pro and both seemed to me to be a little closed in with stage and layering.
Cant comment on cayin at the minute, not owned anything since n3 all though that was a nice little dap.
Shanling mo is my only shanling device to date and its brilliant , infact maybe i should try more shanling?
Ok so that's my rant more or less...all I want is a fully functioning dap with no build problems or battery that sounds stellar , is there such a thing? ...I'm thinking of buying a wm1a and be done with it , all though I reckon dx160 may sound as good.
 
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Dec 11, 2019 at 6:11 AM Post #21,615 of 36,108
Maybe go for a 200 second hand? Or dx150?... All though personally I would avoid both the 200 and 220 as both are laggy and the battery playing hi res is atrocious, which is a shame because i think ibasso nail the audio . The dx160 although 4.4mm has way better battery but again it has flaws both bluetooth and wifi have limited range, wifi works ok but at a short distance but the bluetooth suffers cut outs and lots are complaining about it.

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When you say "laggy", do you mean the response of the UI to touches on the screen, or do you mean there are problems with the audio performance?
Most of my music is FLAC rips of my CD collection (16-Bit / 44.1-KHz), with a few downloaded HiRes (24-Bit / 96 - 192-KHz) FLAC files as well.
With my Android DAP, I use it a lot for listening to streaming media (Spotify, Google Music, YouTube, etc.) - but I have cancelled my Tidal HiRes account (didn't have enough music that I like to listen to).
I do like the idea of a pair of Sabre ES9028PRO DACs in a portable device - it's like the big brother of my Onkyo DP-X1.
 

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