Aug 17, 2010 at 10:56 AM Post #691 of 1,380
Nice writeup shane :P You totally had my fooled into thinking the sensorcom tips did it for you. It's a shame your ears can't handle anything other than single flange tips however. I would have sold a lot of stuff much faster if I could only use those.
 
Aug 17, 2010 at 11:08 AM Post #692 of 1,380


 
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I now have the SM3 and will be giving my first impressions later as well as making some comparisons which will include both the 535s & ES3X. Here's a photo of all three. Both SM3 & 535 have the soft grey silicone tips (from Westone) on them, medium sized for the former, large ones for the latter.
 


Fantastic. Congrats.
I'm very much looking forward to your comparisons to the SE535.
 
shane
 
 
Aug 17, 2010 at 11:12 AM Post #693 of 1,380
Anyone have some sensorcom double flanges to sell me? Been reading so much good things lately and only way to verify is to try but shipping to my country is not worth it for just eartips..
 
Aug 17, 2010 at 12:35 PM Post #696 of 1,380
Shane.  A technique for bass/seal on multi flanges.  Insert as deep as comfortable.  Slightly tug on the IEM to get the flanges to bite on your ears inner canal surface.  Not so much that you invert the flange like my torture tip mod.  You should feel the tip resist and slightly fight back against you if you have a proper fit/seal.  If they slide out easily then you didn't get a proper fit/seal.
 
BTW, told you the tips would open up the upper mids and treble.  
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If anyone is curious why I sold my SM3s.  I simply found them to be pretty much a BA version of the Monster MDs.  There were a couple of things the SM3 was better at and a couple things I thought the MDs did better.  In the end it made no sense for me to sidegrade the MDs for the SM3s especially in the specific role they have in my inventory.  Eric said the SM3 was like MDs on steroids.  My ears felt the MDs were MDs on steroids.  I don't want to say the SM3 was on estrogen but they were more polite in bass presentation.  The treble and mids signature was very close to my ears.  The mids especially, with a slightly different temperature.  Either would be great.  It doesn't surprise me that some former MD owners were able to get their fix again w/ the  SM3.  They both have a very similar sound signature that just plays everything you throw at it very well.  It is a very special and unique BA phone.  To me the SM3 does what I hoped a moving armature would do.
 
     
 
Aug 17, 2010 at 3:07 PM Post #698 of 1,380
Soundearphones has a new sale going on, good for 15% through September 30th for back to school. $359 - 15% = $305.15.  
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That's a helluva deal for this level of sound! I wish I were now in the market for a pair of these! 
 
Aug 17, 2010 at 3:11 PM Post #699 of 1,380
 
 
On the subject of tips, I emailed Franck at Earsonics today, as follows:
 
Hi Franck
 
I just wanted to thank you for making the amazing SM3 - I love it!!  Its the best universal iem I have heard.
 
Are you planning to do a SM4? ;-)
 
Also, I have a question for you:
 
When I got my SM3 from Handheld Audio earlier this year, it came with a pair of white double flange tips that are different to the grey ones you now supply.  
 
They were similar to the Sensorcom alpine dual flange tips, but slightly larger.
 
Do you know where you got those from and if you have any more lying around?  I love the Sensorcom tips (a lot more than the grey tips you now supply - sorry!) but it would be good to see if there are larger versions available out there, since Sensorcom only supply them in one size.
 
 If you really want SM3 users to hear them at their best, I'd suggest shipping them with either the Sensorcom tips (http://www.sensorcom.com/product.asp?P_ID=1142&PT_ID=348) or something equally as great sounding.  I donbt think the grey dual flange tips you send are the best really.
 
 
Thanks
Ben

 
 
and shortly afterwards received the following reply:
 
Thanks a lot Ben,
 
We don't plan to do a SM4..
 
For the tips, We had 2 generations of proprietary grey tips.
 
They have been modified to have better fixing on the SM3 nozzle, they are the best compromise (they don't stay in the ear after use, having a larger sound tube without sliding from the nozzle)
 
[size=small]it's possible to cut the tips to have short longer having the same sound result than the 1 generation (let see the picture attached).Like this the nozzle will come only on the large part of tube without to much longer.[/size]
 
 
[size=small]Sincerely,[/size]
Franck Lopez
EarSonics SAS
 
 







 
 
While its great that Franck is so, um, frank in his response, I do think Its a bit of a shame that only the grey silicones and Comply (makes sign of cross with fingers) tips are included with the SM3. Personally, I never had an issue with the old white dual flanges staying put on the nozzles, nor do I have any problems with the sensorcoms, so I'm a little puzzled by his comment about coming off in the ear.  Maybe they had complaints?  
 
I threw my stock greys away recently, so havent got chance to try the cutting mod he recommends above, so could anyone verify how the sound changes when doing this?
 
 
 

 
 
Aug 17, 2010 at 3:59 PM Post #700 of 1,380
OK, I've had two short listening sessions. First, the SM3s out of the box for about 20 mins., then after about 4 hrs' burn-in for another 30 mins. Can't say I notice a real difference between both short sessions, but out of the box the SM3 proved more of a shock than on the second session. I attribute this to the fact that I was already expecting not to be impressed after the initial shock. They also proved more shocking out of the box than my very first session with my SE535s.

Right now I find the SE535 a better IEM than the SM3, although both cannot come close to what I've come to regard -- today more than ever, actually -- as the wonderfully sounding ES3X. By contrast, the IE8s I ordered a few weeks ago did not shock me at all, ie the ES3X sounded better, yes, but not so drastically so, and there are so many claims of the IE8s needing 100s, yes, 100s of hrs to sound their best - had them for a week, 150 hrs' burn-in and no big change, really; they were just very good right out of the box to these ears, anyway.

I honestly never thought both of these universal IEMs would be so different from my ES3X, and I didn't expect that because my other universal IEM, the UM3X (sold 7 months ago), was so close to my customs SQ-wise. I've even gone as far as purchasing a new pair of UM3X -- it's mad, I know -- after the shock I got from hearing the 535s. Yes, spending over $1,000 on three IEMs for testing purposes is not fun when your intention is to keep only one. But, I'd been reading so much on the two I've just got that I had to try them for myself. Initially I was just going to get the SM3s based on apparent similarities with the UM3X, then also decided on the SE535s after reports of it being an upgrade SQ-wise AND construction-wise on the old SE530 which I simply seriously disliked.

I also mentioned elsewhere that I'm not too keen on A/B'ing; it's OK for a few minutes but not fun when you feel you have to share your findings and try to be as accurate as you possibly can. So, having 3 universal IEMs at the same time is not a dream come true, at least to me.

Anyway, I honestly expected better results from the SM3, and more so because I'm not a believer in burn-in, specially with BA IEMs.

With the SM3 I immediately tried my all-time favourite tips, the soft grey silicone (SGS from now on) tips from Westone (almost identical to the Shure's). I then tried the Sensorcom tips, and then the stock bi-flanges.

The SM3 is slightly less comfortable than the 535, but the former remains very comfortable. The SM3 is easier to insert because the 535 swivel mechanism makes it take a little longer. This can be a bit of a nuisance if on the go, needing to insert and remove your IEMs frequently.

The 535's cable is about 10" (25cm) longer than the SM3s, and the Y split is placed about 2" (5 cm) further down on the former, which I find more convenient, but I don't find the SM3s Y split distance from the shells as terribly bad as reported elsewhere, and I don't exactly have a small head.

The cable on the SM3 is very similar to the old UM3X cable but better still in the sense that it's wound up more tightly - reminds me of the black Westone ES Series cable (for customs) which was better than the universal version as I mentioned a few days ago.

The SM3 shells have an overall better finish (read much less home-made build quality) than the old UM3X. I had two UM3X pairs as the initial batch came out with a fault reported by many. Both pairs looked slightly different, uneven, as if they were...well...'home/hand-made'. The SM3 has a smoother, more consistent/ professional finish, but all 3 IEM's (SE535, SM3, UM3X) shells remain plasticky and nothing like the smart and solid looks of the ATH-CK10's or even the IE8's AND even my £60 Sony MDR-EX500. I'll soon see for myself if the new UM3X (with detachable cable) shows any improvements in build quality (shells & cable). On the SM3 box it's stated that these IEMs are designed AND made in France. The 535's box says "Made in China" However, most people will find the 535 looks and finish much more appealing than the SM3's.

The packaging for the 535 is simply WOW, WOW, WOW!, but not my cup of tea really. I much prefer the very, VERY discreet and environmentally friendly SM3 packaging - simple & practical (and much cheaper for shipping purposes).

You only get two types of tips with the SM3s, Complys & grey bi-flanges plus a wax removal tool. The SM3's case is just the right size, and slightly better quality than the old UM3X case. The 535s come with a better choice of tips than the SM3 and the old UM3X (but not the new UM3X as I wrote a few posts back) but I still prefer the 535's/ 530's case (exactly the same) to any other universal I've owned.

OK, music_4321, what about the bl**dy sound?!!!

The 535s, overall, sound better, more balanced, and though a little bright sounding and somewhat bass anemic for my taste (at least compared with my ES3X), today I have no doubt I'd get the 535s over he SM3s, though I much prefer the SM3 cable for it's flexibility and complete lack of microphonics. But from a purely SQ stand, today I'd get the 535s.

The SM3 has more bass, yes, but everything sounds veiled! Highs are recessed no matter which tips I try, SGS and Sensorcom tips sounding very similar, the SGSs being just a little more comfortable. The Sensorcom and stock grey bi-flanges also sound similar, but the former renders highs a little better and are more comfortable, for me at least. I got a good seal from both, BTW.

I most definitely have not heard yet that "glorious" sound and 3D type of soundstage/ headstage reported by some people.

Unlike the 535s I will give the SM3 more time (2 weeks at most) as there have been quite a few reports of dramatic changes in sound. I remain sceptical, though.

As of today -- and please note this may change if the unusual SM3 burn-in effect reported turns out to be true -- the old UM3X is the best universal I've heard, followed by the IE8.
 
Aug 17, 2010 at 4:15 PM Post #701 of 1,380
Bird needs to be patient. Worm will come out of hole soon.
 
Just checking - you did trim the sensorcom stalks?
 
Aug 17, 2010 at 4:21 PM Post #702 of 1,380


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Bird needs to be patient. Worm will come out of hole soon.
 
Just checking - you did trim the sensorcom stalks?


I did indeed!
 
Aug 17, 2010 at 4:51 PM Post #703 of 1,380
May be that the SM3 aint your cup of chai....but hey, give them some time. The difference I hear now to when I first put them in my ears is not even night and day, its winter and summer.

 
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I did indeed!



 
Aug 17, 2010 at 5:37 PM Post #704 of 1,380
Agreed, give them the time they deserve. When I first put them in my ears, I was like "Geeze, is what what they are all talking about??!" I found them veiled and underwhelming at first, too.
Today, when I listen back to my IE8, I simply cannot enjoy them as I did before. Their mids are veiled and coloured (oh so coloured compared to the SM3!), their bass is massive and uncontrolled and the highs are not much refined. However, I still like them, but like the SM3 much much more.
So, take the time with those babies ;)
 
 
Aug 17, 2010 at 6:12 PM Post #705 of 1,380
Weird how most people talk about giving these a bit of time to get used to, it took me around an album to readjust to these - they have not changed in their sound since then.
 
Really great IEM, they remind me alot of DT250s, nice balanced sound that is fun but not fatiguing - which makes them perfect for all day listening. That's probably my review of them after nearly 2 months of having these.
 

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