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There’s a whole page of responses I missed, just a few of them:
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Don’t you find that a little odd? Why would you go to an expert in a different field rather than an expert in the field of audio? Surely an expert in a different field is more likely to miss some issue/consideration specific to the field of audio than an actual audio expert?It starts with an observation of a phenomena and asks an expert outside the field to figure out a measurement method that might indicate what particular equipment might be doing.
No, that is not the scientific method, it’s just an easily digestible abbreviation of the scientific method. Implicit is the validation and verification of each of those steps, otherwise it’s just meaningless nonsense by which you could conclude the Loch Ness Monster, unicorns and pretty much any myth is actually real according to the scientific method.To say the process of observed phenomena - questioning - experiment design - experiment - results isn’t the scientific method is plainly inaccurate.
To be fair, it’s almost impossible to have a serious discussion on the article, the scales on all the results are illegible, the conclusions don’t seem directly drawn from the results and the description of the methodology raises more questions than answers.I came here in the hope of learning something and some have been helpful, but you’re being dismissive, aggressive and dogmatic, while not being willing to open a door to discuss the article at hand.
I wish that were true but in practice it’s not even slightly serious. Technically it’s just somewhat misleading rather than legally fraud and the consequences are pretty much zero, there’s no law against misleading advertising and in my country (UK) the worst consequence in practice would be an instruction from the ASA (Advertising Standards Authority) to remove that marketing, no jail time or even any sort of fine!And when you make assertions about advertising departments you’re making accusations of fraud. That’s pretty serious.
No, that’s NOT the scientific response! You seem to be ignoring the fact that we’re dealing with a closed system that was invented by science. Digital audio is itself a measurement (a series of amplitude measurements over time), so if something can’t be measured then it can’t be recorded and therefore we obviously can’t hear it when we reproduce that recording.I didn’t mention anything at all about claiming anyone could hear something that “can’t” be measured. That implies an impossibility that a scientist would never lock themselves into. “That claim can’t be verified by any known measuring methodology” is the scientific response.
Yes it is, but obviously only when that’s actually true. If we design a closed system that only responds to a specific variable, then we can’t say “I don’t know” when asked about some other potential variable which the system cannot respond to.Part of science is being able to say, “I don’t know”. It’s essential.
No, not at all. It’s entirely possible that some relatively small error in methodology can produce a difference of relatively large magnitude, although all we have is a fairly vague description of the results because the scales are unreadable. It would also have been invaluable to have a spectrogram of the difference file, which begs the question of why one wasn’t presented. On the other hand though, a relatively large magnitude real difference (not due to some error) is also possible under certain conditions. There’s not enough detailed information to determine which is the case.It’s clear from the tests that the two power cables, isolation platform and power conditioner have a measurable effect on the output of the CD player. This doesn’t seem under dispute at all. Correct?
I don’t know about that specific one but “power conditioner” is a bit of a vague term. It could just be something that sits there and does nothing until the power drops below a certain threshold or it could constantly regulate the voltage to a very tight specification, for example exactly 240V rather than 238V or 242V and in addition it could be a UPS. I’ve done comparative tests on having one in the chain vs not having one but not between different power conditioners. The deciding factors of whether it has any effect is the quality of the mains power supply and the tolerance to mains power supply variations of the DAC’s PSU. You would expect any competent DAC designer to allow for typical mains power variations, say at least +- 10% or so, although that might not be enough in some rural locations or countries with particularly poor power supplies.So these power conditioner things... are these just fancy UPCs? Has anyone done comparative tests on these?
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