[Duncan]

Its always funny when people make statements like this when the headphone is not released yet nor has it even been shown in its final construct. 

For all you know they could sound dramatically different or maybe even a lot better than the MDR 7520. Writing them off now as overpriced and no good is ridiculous folly.

agreed!

The previous posters logic seems to be that anything with a 50mm driver will be the same as anything else with a 50mm driver...

...ergo, 50mm driver equals 7520 regardless of age, construction materials or otherwise...

 

[gelocks]

Yeah, I automatically block those commenters...

 

[haloxt]

  The question is if R10, 010 and EX1000 share the same DNA

 
Sony described R10 with words like natural and concert hall, and they use the same kind of descriptors for these new headphones. The picture of the headphones, and it being closed, makes me think it may be more like R10 than 010, but who knows, the drivers have very big FR.
 
010 went the opposite direction of the R10, all synthetic materials, not going for natural or concert hall sound, but for detail, accuracy, wide frequency response for SACD.

 

[mercuryknight]

   
Sony described R10 with words like natural and concert hall, and they use the same kind of descriptors for these new headphones. The picture of the headphones, and it being closed, makes me think it may be more like R10 than 010, but who knows, the drivers have very big FR.
 
010 went the opposite direction of the R10, all synthetic materials, not going for natural or concert hall sound, but for detail, accuracy, wide frequency response for SACD.

 
That's exactly what I thought. R10 and 010 obviously share very little DNA in common, and putting EX1000 in makes the story more confusing. Even SA5000 is more relevant. 
 
Also, if there are only R10 and 010 in the picture, I would expect these to be something top of the line. But EX1000 make me worry about them being another Z1000 or 1R.  

 

[haloxt]

I'm thinking maybe R10 is their closed back flagship, 010 their open-back flagship, EX1000 their iem flagship, and the new headphone has question mark cutting off the DNA because they aren't certain they will be able to get it out before the economic evolutionary process of bankruptcy claims them hahahahaha.
 
Ok that was evil but for the last decade Sony has been... disappoint.

 

[mercuryknight]

  I'm thinking maybe R10 is their closed back flagship, 010 their open-back flagship, EX1000 their iem flagship, and the new headphone has question mark cutting off the DNA because they aren't certain they will be able to get it out before the economic evolutionary process of bankruptcy claims them hahahahaha.
 
Ok that was evil but for the last decade Sony has been... disappoint.

 

 
This sounds to me like the only reasonable explanation. Anyway, I am really hoping to see something like R10. 

 

[xaval]

If Sony pulls an R10 non woodie there's gonna be some overpriced gear in the for sale section... on the other hand Sony has been consistent in being dissapointing... 

 

[conquerator2]

Minus their game division 

 

[TheBoss]

agreed!



The previous posters logic seems to be that anything with a 50mm driver will be the same as anything else with a 50mm driver...



...ergo, 50mm driver equals 7520 regardless of age, construction materials or otherwise...

 


Every Sony headphone I encountered that employed 50mm drivers in the last decade (and even now with MDR R1) has consistent track record in being disappointing.
The only headphone Sony ever got it right in day 1 is the 40mm V6/7506... and it's no wonder it's till in production today and 0 changes right down to the packaging; as for their IEM attempts that honor belongs to EX800ST/7550.

 

[DairyProduce]

 

agreed!



The previous posters logic seems to be that anything with a 50mm driver will be the same as anything else with a 50mm driver...



...ergo, 50mm driver equals 7520 regardless of age, construction materials or otherwise...

 


Every Sony headphone I encountered that employed 50mm drivers in the last decade (and even now with MDR R1) has consistent track record in being disappointing.
The only headphone Sony ever got it right in day 1 is the 40mm V6/7506... and it's no wonder it's till in production today and 0 changes right down the packaging; as for their IEM attempts that honor belongs to EX800ST/7550.

I still don't think that means you can dismiss the headphone when no one has even heard or seen it before...I get what you're trying to say though, so I'm keeping a cautiously optimistic view about it.

 

[zazex]

  Minus their game division 

...game division,
 
and camera division - where they've demolished the competition completely
with the RX100 et seq; no one even argues a peep about it , 
 
and in our neck of the woods, the MDR 7520's have drawn much praise for a $400.
headphone...it may be the 'best' closed headphone at that price, or certainly one of them.
 
I wouldn't call that track record 'disappointing', though we do hold Sony to a very
high standard; which is to their credit...

 

[TheBoss]

   
That's exactly what I thought. R10 and 010 obviously share very little DNA in common, and putting EX1000 in makes the story more confusing. Even SA5000 is more relevant. 
 
Also, if there are only R10 and 010 in the picture, I would expect these to be something top of the line. But EX1000 make me worry about them being another Z1000 or 1R.  

 
I think "the DNA" built-in in the  R10, 010 (SA5000) and EX1000 is the way Sony employs unconventional diaphragm material for their flagship headphones.
 
R10 = organic diaphragm
010 / SA5000 = exotic nanotech-derived diaphragm
EX1000 = multilayer liquid-crystal polymer diaphragm
 
The latter two are known to be Sony's detail monsters with very good transient response. 
But they have glaring flaws...
 
Qualia 010 / SA5000 - too bright, thin mid bass & almost no low-end bass
EX 1000 - treble spike around 6-7kHz (most likely due to the way the driver is housed... side-firing)

 

[AUserName501]

   
I think "the DNA" built-in in the  R10, 010 (SA5000) and EX1000 is the way Sony employs unconventional diaphragm material for their flagship headphones.
 
R10 = organic diaphragm
010 / SA5000 = exotic nanotech-derived diaphragm
EX1000 = multilayer liquid-crystal polymer diaphragm
 
The latter two are known to be Sony's detail monsters with very good transient response. 
But they have glaring flaws...
 
Qualia 010 / SA5000 - too bright, thin mid bass & almost no low-end bass
EX 1000 - treble spike around 6-7kHz (most likely due to the way the driver is housed... side-firing)

 
Here is measurements by Tyll for the Sony ZX1000 that uses the exact same 50mm Liquid Crystal Polymer drivers as the MDR-7520. Distortion goes through the roof at 400Hz.
 
I'm honestly expecting this flagship to have some heavy flaws like the others from Sony but it may not.

 

[seeler]

Got no further information last week. However, my wife have approved my plan of buying new Sony flagship. 

 

[kman1211]

I sure hope this is a true R10 successor, if so I'm all over this headphone. The R10 is the best headphone I've ever heard out of the countless headphones I've auditioned, no other headphone has wow'd me the same way as the R10.