I'm a bit disappointed to read that the bass isn't fast, but it seems that all hybrids is a bit weak in this area and in return you get better timbre and natural sounding decay. I wanted to pick up a hybrid IEM and it needs to be good at handling quick and hard hitting bass. The quantity doesn't need to be on the level of the LX or Vega, but quality needs to be there. I'm sure that it's not horrible, but not it's strong suit. I thought the trio handled speed bass hits pretty well, but I was hoping for a cheaper option.
The jvc 10000 talk has now gotten me interested in that. Mostly because I can hardly believe that a single DD can be that good. I hope to go to Japan this year and hope that I can listen to it and possibly buy it if I like it. I've had a few Woodies and they were good for the price, but were too slow and was too bloomy and I eventually sold all of them when I got tired of them. This 10000 sounds more like a keeper.
I do think that the Z1R have really nice bass and have quantity that will satisfy most people but, yeah, as someone who have used the Trio before, the presentation of the bass is quite different and Trio bass is more dominant than that of the Z1R. I don't think quantity is that different but Z1R bass just sound more relax in general. It does suit the rest of the signature but I think the mid is the most defining trait of the Z1R. Treble is not that prominent but it really nice and sound very open while still being natural sounding.
Also while I said the bass of Z1R being not super fast its not exactly on the slower side of thing either. I think they will keep up with most fast music well enough.
It could also be that I always listen to LX recently so my sense of bass quantity could be quite skewed lol
I do think that the Z1R have really nice bass and have quantity that will satisfy most people but, yeah, as someone who have used the Trio before, the presentation of the bass is quite different and Trio bass is more dominant than that of the Z1R. I don't think quantity is that different but Z1R bass just sound more relax in general. It does suit the rest of the signature but I think the mid is the most defining trait of the Z1R. Treble is not that prominent but it really nice and sound very open while still being natural sounding.
Also while I said the bass of Z1R being not super fast its not exactly on the slower side of thing either. I think they will keep up with most fast music well enough.
It could also be that I always listen to LX recently so my sense of bass quantity could be quite screw lol
Can't remember the name because its not a tracks I'm familar with (I didn't have any source with 4.4 output with me so I have to test with tracks that came with the DMP-1Z) but the description shouldn't be too far off because I tried the Legend X with the same songs on the same source right after.
Can't remember the name because its not a tracks I'm familar with (I didn't have any source with 4.4 output with me so I have to test with tracks that came with the DMP-1Z) but the description shouldn't be too far off because I try the Legend X with the same songs on the same source right after.
I don't have an exact tracks that I use to test bass but probably something like The Rolling Stones - Paint It, Black or Jimi Hendrix rendition of All Along the Watch Tower. Never been into something too heavy.
I don't have an exact tracks that I use to test bass but probably something like The Rolling Stones - Paint It, Black or Jimi Hendrix rendition of All Along the Watch Tower. Never been into something too heavy.
I'm a bit disappointed to read that the bass isn't fast, but it seems that all hybrids is a bit weak in this area and in return you get better timbre and natural sounding decay. I wanted to pick up a hybrid IEM and it needs to be good at handling quick and hard hitting bass. The quantity doesn't need to be on the level of the LX or Vega, but quality needs to be there. I'm sure that it's not horrible, but not it's strong suit. I thought the trio handled speed bass hits pretty well, but I was hoping for a cheaper option.
The jvc 10000 talk has now gotten me interested in that. Mostly because I can hardly believe that a single DD can be that good. I hope to go to Japan this year and hope that I can listen to it and possibly buy it if I like it. I've had a few Woodies and they were good for the price, but were too slow and was too bloomy and I eventually sold all of them when I got tired of them. This 10000 sounds more like a keeper.
@Redcarmoose got it right with Z1R has more forward mid. They also just sound pretty different in general. Z1R is just much more natural sounding than the Z5 and didn't have that sharpness/shrillness in the treble that I find to be unpleasant in the Z5. It also much more open sounding even though the Z1R is the one that actually has warmer midrange and smoother treble. Other than that I think the Z5 has harder hitting bass and sharper attack? Maybe you can tell from what I wrote but it should be note that I don't really like the Z5 even though I have owned 2 of them on different occasions. I personally much prefer the A3 tonality.
@Redcarmoose got it right with Z1R has more forward mid. They also just sound pretty different in general. Z1R is just much more natural sounding than the Z5 and didn't have that sharpness/shrillness in the treble that I find to be unpleasant in the Z5. It also much more open sounding even though the Z1R is the one that actually has warmer midrange and smoother treble. Other than that I think the Z5 has harder hitting bass and sharper attack? Maybe you can tell from what I wrote but it should be note that I don't really like the Z5 even though I have owned 2 of them on different occasions. I personally much prefer the A3 tonality.
Can you please compare them to the IE800 i see you have them in your inventory? Also can someone that have or heard the Atlas compare to this? It would be interesting to compare them because the Atlas have a 10mm dynamic driver while the Z1r have two and one of them is 12mm. One of this two will be in my next purchase.
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